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small-list Digest Thu, 12 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 170

In This Issue:
More on the 3.8L 'Supercoupe' swap idea (B II)
Re: Firestones
Re: Firestones
Explorer Value
Re: Explorer Value
Re: Firestones
ABS light on a Bronco II
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Dents
Re: Dents
Re: Dents
Dents
Re: Dents
Re: Explorer Value

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From: "Keith Christensen" <radiopro kendra.com>
Subject: More on the 3.8L 'Supercoupe' swap idea (B II)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:14:24 -0700

Thanks to all who posted links and ideas.  One of the "prime
motivators" behind this wild-hare idea was  that there'd be less
butchering using the 3.8L versus the 302, with the SuperCoupe's
beltdrive blower making up for the displacement difference.

I hadn't really looked at any 3.8L dimensions until after posting ;
but somehow, I found one sitting out on the floor at 'wurks'
maintenance shop (in frame w/o front sheetmetal, in a T-Bird
undercover car)  and .... yup- same problems as a 302.. :
wider/taller !!





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From: "Bobby Herring" <bherring htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: Firestones
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:06:26 -0500

Has the value of the Explorers dropped since this all started? I have a 97
that I am "upside down" on the financing and didn't really need anything
dropping the value more than it already has.

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tim Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:01 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: [Re: Firestones]


"Jim Bielecki" <bieleckj freeway.net> wrote:

> People are amazed when I tell them I put over 112,000 miles on the
Firestone
> ATX's that came on my '93 Explorer.

I'm not amazed, but it is a definite indication that you drive in a rational
manner and *properly* maintain your vehicle.  :-)

I'll be interested to see what changes in Firestone will come in the near
future with Mr. Ono stepping down and Mr. Lampe taking over.  Of the many
letters from Firestone to retailers I'd found Mr. Lampe's to be more on the
'humanitarian' side than Mr Ono's 'business' side.  Might just be better BS,
but OTOH maybe it isn't...  About the only thing that'll pull Firestone's
(and
to a smaller degree Ford's) chestnuts out of the fire is to address the
immediate problem and stop finger pointing.  Get 'em off the road for now
and
THEN address the 'why' portion of Explorers being the primary failure
vehicle.
(Ignoring the study that said Expy's roll in a higher proportion after
tread
loss than other vehicles may or not be a factor; hard to predict the future
any further than I have! <BG>)

Tim

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:17:37 -0400
From: David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Firestones

At 11:06 AM 10/12/2000, you wrote:
>Has the value of the Explorers dropped since this all started? I have a 97
>that I am "upside down" on the financing and didn't really need anything
>dropping the value more than it already has.

Maybe if you still have the Flinstones on it...  Get a set of Michelins and
don't worry about it...
If you bought it to try and make some money by reselling it, that was a
mistake... It's VERY rare for a car to be worth more than you owe during
the period it's financed.

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From: "Bobby Herring" <bherring htcomp.net>
Subject: Explorer Value
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:48:01 -0500

Not trying to make money, just don't want to lose more than I have to.
Looked on carpoint.msn.com/kbb and the Kelly blue book said the average
tradein is $12k but the average retail is over $17! Guess I need to sell it
on my own and get some of that instead of the dealer making that much off
it.
Would like to get one of the new F150 Supercrews. Don't like the 28-31k
price tag, tho. Bought too many vehicles for under $1000 in my younger days
to be able to swallow that price tag too easily.

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David Cooley
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:18 AM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Firestones

At 11:06 AM 10/12/2000, you wrote:
>Has the value of the Explorers dropped since this all started? I have a 97
>that I am "upside down" on the financing and didn't really need anything
>dropping the value more than it already has.

Maybe if you still have the Flinstones on it...  Get a set of Michelins and
don't worry about it...
If you bought it to try and make some money by reselling it, that was a
mistake... It's VERY rare for a car to be worth more than you owe during
the period it's financed.

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:00:32 -0400
From: David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Explorer Value

At 11:48 AM 10/12/2000, you wrote:
>Not trying to make money, just don't want to lose more than I have to.
>Looked on carpoint.msn.com/kbb and the Kelly blue book said the average
>tradein is $12k but the average retail is over $17! Guess I need to sell it
>on my own and get some of that instead of the dealer making that much off
>it.
>Would like to get one of the new F150 Supercrews. Don't like the 28-31k
>price tag, tho. Bought too many vehicles for under $1000 in my younger days
>to be able to swallow that price tag too easily.

You really never get any value at trade in... Though I did get lucky when I
bought my 97 Explorer last year...  Traded in a 95 Buick Lesabre with 100K
miles in immaculate condition...  Argued with the used car manager on the
trade with all maintenance receipts in hand from mile 0 to present, and had
him drive it for a bit... They actually gave me a trade in of $13,900.00 on it!

I like the new supercrews, but I'm with you on price... you really want to
choke, look at a 3/4 ton Dodge ram extended cab with the cummins turbo
diesel... Over 40K!!!

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From: william.hickey bankofamerica.com
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:09:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Firestones



Not sure .. but I thought I read that Explorer sales actually increased since
the recall





Bobby Herring <bherring htcomp.net> on 10/12/2000 11:06:26 AM

Please respond to small-list ford-trucks.com

To:   small-list ford-trucks.com
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Subject:  [small-list] Re: Firestones



Has the value of the Explorers dropped since this all started? I have a 97
that I am "upside down" on the financing and didn't really need anything
dropping the value more than it already has.

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tim Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:01 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: [Re: Firestones]


"Jim Bielecki" <bieleckj freeway.net> wrote:

> People are amazed when I tell them I put over 112,000 miles on the
Firestone
> ATX's that came on my '93 Explorer.

I'm not amazed, but it is a definite indication that you drive in a rational
manner and *properly* maintain your vehicle.  :-)

I'll be interested to see what changes in Firestone will come in the near
future with Mr. Ono stepping down and Mr. Lampe taking over.  Of the many
letters from Firestone to retailers I'd found Mr. Lampe's to be more on the
'humanitarian' side than Mr Ono's 'business' side.  Might just be better BS,
but OTOH maybe it isn't...  About the only thing that'll pull Firestone's
(and
to a smaller degree Ford's) chestnuts out of the fire is to address the
immediate problem and stop finger pointing.  Get 'em off the road for now
and
THEN address the 'why' portion of Explorers being the primary failure
vehicle.
(Ignoring the study that said Expy's roll in a higher proportion after
tread
loss than other vehicles may or not be a factor; hard to predict the future
any further than I have! <BG>)

Tim

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:14:54 -0700
From: john yee <johny netapp.com>
Subject: ABS light on a Bronco II


A few years ago, I was having a problem with the ABS light coming on on the 89 bronco II.

It was initially intermittent, and progressively got worse. I did all the things mentioned
by Tim. Finally after taking it to a Ford Dealer (like $90) to do a diagnostic,
the computer codes pointed at the RABS valve.

$150 or so for the part from a dealer, and it's been fine ever since.

If you have to do that, the RABS (rear ABS) valve is in the frame rail. Pretty
easy to swap out. I'm sure if you have time to troll through a salvage yard, you
can do way better in price.

Here's a salvage search engine I've found to be pretty good.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.car-part.com/

-john

> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:26:12 +0100
> From: Adam McLaughlin <kd6poc jps.net>
> Subject: ABS Light 98 Explorer
>
> I too would like to know about pulling codes on the ABS system. MY bronco 2's
> ABS light will go on and off intermittantly, and I would like to know why. I
> have bled everything, replaced lines, cylinders, sensors, all parts but the
> valve in the frame rail.
>
> Haynes is very vague about the procedure, but Chilton's refers to a connector
> that can be found on the wheel well on the driver's side? You are supposed to
> find it, ground it, and then count flashes. I am not to keen on grounding
> wires on plugs that I am not sure of.
>
> Adam
>
> Dan Wentz wrote:
>
> > This has happened 2 times to me and it happened to my girlfriend this
> > morning.  Something on the dash catches your attention and you look down
> > just in time to see the ABS light go out.  Is this likely to be cause for
> > concern?  I'm inclined not to worry.
> >
> > By the way, are there inexpensive OBD scanners out there?  I had a $15 one
> > for the EEC-IV that I liked but I can't find a similar one for OBD II.
> >
> > ~Dan
> >
> > 1950 F1 351C--Miles Since Last Mishap: 127
> > 1998 Explorer--Now out of
> > warranty.  Pleasedon'tbreakpleasedon'tbreadpleasedon'tbreak.
> >
> ------------------------------


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From: "Flynn Einhorn" <feinhorn hotmail.com>
Subject: [
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:21:45 EDT


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From: "Flynn Einhorn" <feinhorn hotmail.com>
Subject: Dents
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:27:09 EDT

I have some dents right below my rail guards on the bed of my ranger.  I can
actually get my hands back there through the wheel well.  My question is how
do I bang out the dents.  There is not a lot of space back there and a
hammer hardly fits.  I got a suction cup and pep boys and it didn't work.
Also, I do NOT want to drill it.  Any ideas on tools to use or techniques?

PS Very sorry about the blank email, please forgive my error.

Thanks as always,

Flynn Einhorn
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:31:45 -0400
From: David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Dents

At 03:27 PM 10/12/2000, you wrote:
>I have some dents right below my rail guards on the bed of my ranger.  I
>can actually get my hands back there through the wheel well.  My question
>is how do I bang out the dents.  There is not a lot of space back there
>and a hammer hardly fits.  I got a suction cup and pep boys and it didn't
>work.
>Also, I do NOT want to drill it.  Any ideas on tools to use or techniques?


If you can get a hold of Dry Ice from a fire extinguisher shop, use really
heavy gloves so as not to freeze your fingers, and apply the dry ice to the
center of the dent... As it cools the metal tap with a long bar (socket
extension, wood hammer handle etc) on the back side of the dent... cooling
the metal shrinks it and helps the dent pull itself out.


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From: "Sheats, James" <James.Sheats mortgage.wellsFargo.COM>
Subject: Re: Dents
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:22:35 -0500


It's either drill or replace the entire bed side. No miracles here !



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Flynn Einhorn [SMTP:feinhorn hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:27 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] Dents
>
> I have some dents right below my rail guards on the bed of my ranger.  I
> can
> actually get my hands back there through the wheel well.  My question is
> how
> do I bang out the dents.  There is not a lot of space back there and a
> hammer hardly fits.  I got a suction cup and pep boys and it didn't work.
>
> Also, I do NOT want to drill it.  Any ideas on tools to use or techniques?
>
> PS Very sorry about the blank email, please forgive my error.
>
> Thanks as always,
>
> Flynn Einhorn
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From: "Jeff Wey" <jwey valkyrie.net>
Subject: Dents
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:46:06 -0700


You might want to try one of the "paintless dent removal"services ... We have one around here called "Dent Wizard" They took a BAD door ding out that the body shop Quoted me $400 to fix .... They charged me $75 ....I can't tell where it was and it only took an hour ...


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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:11:50 -0400
From: David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Dents

At 05:46 PM 10/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>You might want to try one of the "paintless dent removal"services ... We
>have one around here called "Dent Wizard" They took a BAD door ding out
>that the body shop Quoted me $400 to fix .... They charged me $75 ....I
>can't tell where it was and it only took an hour ...


I did that myself with a toilet plunger on a 95 buick LeSabre...



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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:49:03 -0400
From: "Theodore D. Mills" <n3kwq martnet.com>
Subject: Re: Explorer Value

At 10:48 10/12/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Not trying to make money, just don't want to lose more than I have to.
>Looked on carpoint.msn.com/kbb and the Kelly blue book said the average
>tradein is $12k but the average retail is over $17! Guess I need to sell it
>on my own and get some of that instead of the dealer making that much off
>it.

Sounds like the deal I ran into.

I wanted a new Truck, started looking at F-150's......35 grand or so for
what I wanted (Supercab, 4X4, longbed, XLT, 5.4,trailer tow)

Then the Super Duties came out.... Now considering F-250, & diesel or V10
with the above....

Wife vetos even dreaming!

I start seriously considering used.  Requirements now are V8, Supercab, 4X4.

She calls me at work one Saturday, says "I found you a truck!"

Tells me it's a 91, Supercab, F-250, 4X4 & V8..... by the way, what's a 7.5
liter?

I sneak home from work for an hour, just to look before she changes her mind!!

It looks good, no rust, dents, etc.  I'm a little concerned about the
mileage, 133K.

I called the guy and set up a look see.  It's absolutely imactulate inside.
Mostly highway miles, seems well cared for. Test drive finds nothing bad
except the warped brake rotors that he told me about up front. Sure beats
my V6 ranger, it's got A/C!

I do a little checking on the 'net that evening and find that even with
133K on the clock, book is $5,000, and resale would be $10,000!
Now I know why he didn't trade it.  I offer $8,000 and 1 week later the
behemoth is mine.

All I have into it in the last year is 4 tires, front brakes, a tune up and
a set of shocks......and gas.  To the tune of about 9MPG around town and 12
to 14 highway.
Not too bad, my 2.8 Ranger only got me 14 around town, but the big block is
SOOO much more fun!

Maybe when he's ready for another truck he'll sell me the replacement he
bought......99 Superduty F-250 crew cab diesel 4X4.

<sigh>

Now if gas would only come back down to a buck a gallon! ....


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