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small-list Digest Wed, 20 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 153

In This Issue:
Ranger -- Dragging Brakes In Wet Weather
Re: Tire Recommendation
42V?
Re: Ranger -- Dragging Brakes In Wet Weather
Re: [Ranger -- Dragging Brakes In Wet Weather]
plugs
Re: [42V?]
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From: Wheeler Mr James R <WheelerJR lejeune.usmc.mil>
Subject: Ranger -- Dragging Brakes In Wet Weather
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:39:57 -0400

I have an '86 Ranger (front disc; rear drum brakes).  It seems that every
time I drive it in wet weather, the brakes seem to drag.  It was so bad this
week (thanks to Tropical Storm Gordon), that I had to drive home in no
higher than 3rd gear.  Every time I got the speed up to 35 MPH and shifted
into 4th, I'd loss speed / power and have to downshift back to 3rd.  Any
ideas what's causing this?  Reviewing the "Troubleshooting Seciton" of a
Chilton's I have for my '73 Duster says that it might be due to "excess
water getting into the drums and causing the shoes to become water soaked.
If that's happening, I sure don't know anyway to avoid it -- except not
driving in the rain.

Thanks,
Wheels

JIM WHEELER
MARINE CORPS UNIVERSITY'S COLLEGE OF CONTINUING EDUCATION
REGIONAL COORDINATOR FOR CAMP LEJEUNE, MCAS BEAUFORT, MCAS CHERRY POINT,
MCAS NEW RIVER, MCRD PARRIS ISLAND, AND NORFOLK
PHONE:  DSN 751-9309 / 3091 / 3092
             COM (910) 451-XXXX
             FAX - 5512
E-MAIL:  WheelerJR lejeune.usmc.mil



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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Ciocco <bciocco yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation

I just bought a set of Uniroyal Tiger Paw AWPs for my Bronco II. I did alot of online research and
they seem to be good, all around, long wearing, tires. They ride nice and look pretty good. I
replaced some Dunlop GT Qualifiers RWL that I got a little more than 50K miles out of (Dunlop not
available at the dealer that I am now using). It was my second set of Dunlops, I got 50K out of
the first set too (in FL heat). (W/260K miles on this vehicle, I need long wearing tires).
The Uniroyal were a little less expensive and they seem to ride nicer (maybe because they are new
and I haven't raised the tire pressure to 32 psi yet). I wanted RWL in the Tiger Paw, but they are
not avail in 225-70-15, so I got the blackwall. About $300 out the door.
Dunlop - Made by Goodyear
Uniroyal - Made by Michelin

Bill

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From: "Ron & Madeline Trampe" <telh frontiernet.net>
Subject: 42V?
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:59:58 -0500

Don't you mean 24V?
Ron Trampe telh frontiernet.net


I can hardly wait for the new 42 Volt
> systems that'll be here soon...  (Any bets on what that alternator will
> cost?)
>
> Tim
>
> ____________________________________________________________________



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From: George Rigney <George.Rigney wsnelson.com>
Subject: Re: Ranger -- Dragging Brakes In Wet Weather
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:53:31 -0500

Dear Jim,

They have inspection plugs on the inner side that you can pull out.  If
they're missing, the water from a deep puddle will pour in.

Regards,
George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1999 F250 SD CC V10
2000 Ranger

-----Original Message-----
From: Wheeler Mr James R [mailto:WheelerJR lejeune.usmc.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:40 AM
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Subject: [small-list] Ranger -- Dragging Brakes In Wet Weather


I have an '86 Ranger (front disc; rear drum brakes).  It seems that every
time I drive it in wet weather, the brakes seem to drag.  It was so bad this
week (thanks to Tropical Storm Gordon), that I had to drive home in no
higher than 3rd gear.  Every time I got the speed up to 35 MPH and shifted
into 4th, I'd loss speed / power and have to downshift back to 3rd.  Any
ideas what's causing this?  Reviewing the "Troubleshooting Seciton" of a
Chilton's I have for my '73 Duster says that it might be due to "excess
water getting into the drums and causing the shoes to become water soaked.
If that's happening, I sure don't know anyway to avoid it -- except not
driving in the rain.

Thanks,
Wheels

JIM WHEELER
MARINE CORPS UNIVERSITY'S COLLEGE OF CONTINUING EDUCATION
REGIONAL COORDINATOR FOR CAMP LEJEUNE, MCAS BEAUFORT, MCAS CHERRY POINT,
MCAS NEW RIVER, MCRD PARRIS ISLAND, AND NORFOLK
PHONE:  DSN 751-9309 / 3091 / 3092
             COM (910) 451-XXXX
             FAX - 5512
E-MAIL:  WheelerJR lejeune.usmc.mil


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Date: 20 Sep 00 19:40:03 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Ranger -- Dragging Brakes In Wet Weather]

Wheeler Mr James R <WheelerJR lejeune.usmc.mil> wrote:
> I have an '86 Ranger (front disc; rear drum brakes).  It seems that every
> time I drive it in wet weather, the brakes seem to drag.  It was so bad
this
> week (thanks to Tropical Storm Gordon),

No doubt.. sounds like a Gallon of water sloshing inside the door of the
B-2000 from all that rain.  (Better *it* rusts away than the B-II though!)
:-)

> Chilton's I have for my '73 Duster says that it might be due to "excess
> water getting into the drums and causing the shoes to become water soaked.
> If that's happening, I sure don't know anyway to avoid it -- except not
> driving in the rain.

As George pointed out the rubber plugs in the backing plate for inspection or
adjustment are often not re-installed after service; that would be a good
place to start.  Other items would be if the adjustment was a bit on the tight
side to begin with or trying a different brand of lining.  There's certainly
been some TSBs regarding wet/cold braking among various Fords, most involved
new and 'improved' lining material(s)

> REGIONAL COORDINATOR FOR CAMP LEJEUNE, MCAS BEAUFORT, MCAS CHERRY POINT,
> MCAS NEW RIVER, MCRD PARRIS ISLAND, AND NORFOLK

Right around the corner so to speak..  If you're in Wilmington and see a B-II
with a tire cover sporting "Manic Mechanic" honk & wave! :-)  Also feel free
to drop by the shop (Custer Auto Repair) and BS a bit if it's not terribly
busy.

Tim


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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:28:01 -0400
From: Joe Merchak <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: plugs

> For you tuners out there.  What plug is  better for performance, one heat range hotter or one
> heat range colder?

Thanks



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Date: 20 Sep 00 20:45:30 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [42V?]

"Ron & Madeline Trampe" <telh frontiernet.net> wrote:

> Don't you mean 24V?

Nope.  I thought it a typo the first time I saw it as well; 24 would seem to
be the next logical step but it seems it's not.  Here's some links from SAE
about it.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sae.org/technicalcommittees/navigator/42v.htm
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sae.org/42volt/ltr_chair.htm
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sae.org/news/juice.htm (integrated starter/alternator?!)

Renault is ambitious about it's use by 2004; see

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autonews.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+autonews.nab.ShowArchiveArtical?id=229314&type=archive&query=42

Ideas being tossed around are using the electrics for valve opening (no cams),
P/S etc.  A quote from the above link about *why*. "average demand for
electric energy in cars climbed from 650 watts in 1970 to 950 watts in 2000.
It is predicted to rise to 3,500 watts in 2003 and 5,000 watts by mid-decade."
Also: "To illustrate how power-hungry modern cars are becoming, Vimont said
the next Renault Laguna midsize sedan will have 19 computers performing 62
electrical functions. The current model has about the same number of on-board
computers, but they perform just 25 electrical functions."

Before you dismiss this as a wacky Renault idea, a number of the technical
papers available about 42V are authored by FORD engineers.  ;-)

Tim

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Date: 20 Sep 00 21:00:16 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [plugs]

Joe Merchak <merchjo bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> > For you tuners out there.  What plug is  better for performance, one heat
range hotter or one
> > heat range colder?

What type of performance?  Any modifications to the engine?  Assuming stock or
near stock, one colder might be better for high speed operation, but if you
prefer mud-slogging at low RPM than one hotter might be a better choice.  With
un-leaded gas and computer systems it's a bit harder to 'read' the plugs but
certainly still the best way to tune 'em in.  Just my thought, but with the
plugs we have today the heat range is broad enough to prevent fouling/damage
under most circumstances *IF* the engine is in proper tune and operated within
it's design.

Tim

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:45:01 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier <jmc.chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [42V?]



Tim Turner wrote:

> "Ron & Madeline Trampe" <telh frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> > Don't you mean 24V?
>
> Nope.  I thought it a typo the first time I saw it as well; 24 would seem to
> be the next logical step but it seems it's not.  Here's some links from SAE
> about it.
>
> SNIP
>
> Tim
>

Tim,


   I wish they would go straight to 110v.  It would make tail gate parties and camping so
much easier. ;-)

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier


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From: "Steve Nash" <nashflr erols.com>
Subject: Re: [42V?]
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:11:14 -0400

In my other life away from my Explorer I drive a BMW M3.  BMW is releasing
the new 7 series with the 42v or 48v system in the next year.  BMW is also
currently testing to noncam engine to go in the new 7 series in the not to
distant future.  This is direct trickle down technology from Formula 1
racing, which by the way will make it's US debut at Indy on Sunday.

Steve

----- Original Message -----
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To: <small-list ford-trucks.com>
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Subject: [small-list] Re: [42V?]


> "Ron & Madeline Trampe" <telh frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> > Don't you mean 24V?
>
> Nope.  I thought it a typo the first time I saw it as well; 24 would seem
to
> be the next logical step but it seems it's not.  Here's some links from
SAE
> about it.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sae.org/technicalcommittees/navigator/42v.htm
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sae.org/42volt/ltr_chair.htm
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sae.org/news/juice.htm (integrated starter/alternator?!)
>
> Renault is ambitious about it's use by 2004; see
>
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autonews.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+autonews.nab.ShowArchiveArti
cal?id=229314&type=archive&query=42
>
> Ideas being tossed around are using the electrics for valve opening (no
cams),
> P/S etc.  A quote from the above link about *why*. "average demand for
> electric energy in cars climbed from 650 watts in 1970 to 950 watts in
2000.
> It is predicted to rise to 3,500 watts in 2003 and 5,000 watts by
mid-decade."
>  Also: "To illustrate how power-hungry modern cars are becoming, Vimont
said
> the next Renault Laguna midsize sedan will have 19 computers performing 62
> electrical functions. The current model has about the same number of
on-board
> computers, but they perform just 25 electrical functions."
>
> Before you dismiss this as a wacky Renault idea, a number of the technical
> papers available about 42V are authored by FORD engineers.  ;-)
>
> Tim
>
> ____________________________________________________________________ ....


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