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small-list Digest Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 152

In This Issue:
Tire Recommendation
Re: Tire Recommendation
Re: Tire Recommendation
OBD-II Code reader
Re: OBD-II Code reader
Re: [Re: OBD-II Code reader]
Re: [Re: OBD-II Code reader]

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From: "Bill A'Hearn" <wahearn earthlink.net>
Subject: Tire Recommendation
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:56:07 -0700

The Goodyear tires on my wife's Explorer need to be replaced.  She does
mostly freeway driving here in SoCal.  What are good replacement tires.  I'm
leaning towards Michelin or Goodyear tires.  Any suggestions??  Current
tires are Goodyear Wrangler RTS 235-75R-15's.

Thanks,

Bill
97 Explorer XLT 5.0L
99 F150 SuperCab 5.4L


PS.  She would like a tire with an aggressive (off-road) look...


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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:37:39 -0400
From: David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation

At 03:56 PM 09/19/2000, you wrote:
>The Goodyear tires on my wife's Explorer need to be replaced.  She does
>mostly freeway driving here in SoCal.  What are good replacement tires.  I'm
>leaning towards Michelin or Goodyear tires.  Any suggestions??  Current
>tires are Goodyear Wrangler RTS 235-75R-15's.

The Michelin LTX series are pretty good... I have the LTX M/S and they are
quiet, grippy etc... The LTX A/T are a bit more aggressive.

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From: "mjb1962" <mjb1962 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:17:30 -0400

BF Goodrich A/T is a good all around tire for a truck or SUV. Excellent
traction on or off road, a rugged 3 ply sidewall and good  road manners.
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> The Goodyear tires on my wife's Explorer need to be replaced.  She does
> mostly freeway driving here in SoCal.  What are good replacement tires.
I'm
> leaning towards Michelin or Goodyear tires.  Any suggestions??  Current
> tires are Goodyear Wrangler RTS 235-75R-15's.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> 97 Explorer XLT 5.0L
> 99 F150 SuperCab 5.4L
>
>
> PS.  She would like a tire with an aggressive (off-road) look...
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Badger <chuckbadger yahoo.com>
Subject: OBD-II Code reader

While I was in the local auto parts store, I saw a
generic OBD-II code reader for approx $150.  How does
this compare with a Ford-specific OBD-II code reader
that sells for approx $500?  Since I purchased a 96
Ford for the wife, need to know before the check
engine light comes on.


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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:00:40 -0400
From: David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: OBD-II Code reader

At 06:22 PM 9/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>While I was in the local auto parts store, I saw a
>generic OBD-II code reader for approx $150.  How does
>this compare with a Ford-specific OBD-II code reader
>that sells for approx $500?  Since I purchased a 96
>Ford for the wife, need to know before the check
>engine light comes on.


Chuck,
OBD_II uses standard codes across ALL manufacturers...  The difference is
there are 3 flavors of communications.
If you have a laptop, check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.obd-2.com/
Alex peper has one that is great for a lot less than those two.



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Date: 19 Sep 00 22:47:50 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: OBD-II Code reader]

David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com> wrote:
> At 06:22 PM 9/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:

First let me say my experience is with the pricey OBD stuff so this 'may' be
conjecture on my part.

> >While I was in the local auto parts store, I saw a
> >generic OBD-II code reader for approx $150.  How does
> >this compare with a Ford-specific OBD-II code reader
> >that sells for approx $500?  {Me: or a $2500 one that needs $1000 worth of
updates every two years to stay current.. TT}

There are generic codes (the mandated ones such as P0xxx) and OEM specific
codes (such as P1xxx).  Likely the 'Generic' would read the OEM codes but not
provide a defintion for them.  Given the resources available on-line *if* the
reader provides OEM codes it can be worth the $350 savings but you may lose
some useful functions like being able to actuate devices manually etc.

> >Since I purchased a 96
> >Ford for the wife, need to know before the check
> >engine light comes on.

And it will.. surprised it hasn't already. :-(

> Chuck,
> OBD_II uses standard codes across ALL manufacturers...

Certainly true, BUT.. only in the X0xxx range, the X1xxx are OEM specific and
can be valuable in diganostic work.  The OBD-II standard may say a sensor
needs to be out of range for two minutes to trip a 'generic' code (and the
light) while the OEM might stick in a code for a 30 Second failure (without
the light).  A (simplified) example would be if I saw a vehicle with 'generic'
code for the O2 staying rich, but 'OEM' codes for staying rich AND lean; a
safe bet that the O2 is shot and slow responding but with just the 'generic'
code of staying rich the entire fuel system is suspect and needs testing to
determine the cause.

> The difference is
> there are 3 flavors of communications.
> If you have a laptop, check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.obd-2.com/
> Alex peper has one that is great for a lot less than those two.

So much for one standard!  ;-)  Seriously though... OBD-II (and III as it
comes to pass) are a darn sight better than the dark days of every OEM having
it's own set of protocols and names.  I can hardly wait for the new 42 Volt
systems that'll be here soon...  (Any bets on what that alternator will
cost?)

Tim

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:04:08 -0500
From: Paul Olson <polson bb-elec.com>
Subject: Re: [Re: OBD-II Code reader]

One good test to see if your scan tool supports Ford OEM DTCs is to clear the DTCs and then read them.  Ford generates a P1000 which just means that all onboard tests have not been completed since they were cleared.  I haven't performed this test on any
scan tools other than the AutoTap scanner.
-Paul


Tim Turner wrote:
>
> David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com> wrote:
> > At 06:22 PM 9/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>
> First let me say my experience is with the pricey OBD stuff so this 'may' be
> conjecture on my part.
>
> > >While I was in the local auto parts store, I saw a
> > >generic OBD-II code reader for approx $150.  How does
> > >this compare with a Ford-specific OBD-II code reader
> > >that sells for approx $500?  {Me: or a $2500 one that needs $1000 worth of
> updates every two years to stay current.. TT}
>
> There are generic codes (the mandated ones such as P0xxx) and OEM specific
> codes (such as P1xxx).  Likely the 'Generic' would read the OEM codes but not
> provide a defintion for them.  Given the resources available on-line *if* the
> reader provides OEM codes it can be worth the $350 savings but you may lose
> some useful functions like being able to actuate devices manually etc.
>
> > >Since I purchased a 96
> > >Ford for the wife, need to know before the check
> > >engine light comes on.
>
> And it will.. surprised it hasn't already. :-(
>
> > Chuck,
> > OBD_II uses standard codes across ALL manufacturers...
>
> Certainly true, BUT.. only in the X0xxx range, the X1xxx are OEM specific and
> can be valuable in diganostic work.  The OBD-II standard may say a sensor
> needs to be out of range for two minutes to trip a 'generic' code (and the
> light) while the OEM might stick in a code for a 30 Second failure (without
> the light).  A (simplified) example would be if I saw a vehicle with 'generic'
> code for the O2 staying rich, but 'OEM' codes for staying rich AND lean; a
> safe bet that the O2 is shot and slow responding but with just the 'generic'
> code of staying rich the entire fuel system is suspect and needs testing to
> determine the cause.
>
> > The difference is
> > there are 3 flavors of communications.
> > If you have a laptop, check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.obd-2.com/
> > Alex peper has one that is great for a lot less than those two.
>
> So much for one standard!  ;-)  Seriously though... OBD-II (and III as it
> comes to pass) are a darn sight better than the dark days of every OEM having
> it's own set of protocols and names.  I can hardly wait for the new 42 Volt
> systems that'll be here soon...  (Any bets on what that alternator will
> cost?)
>
> Tim
>
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