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small-list Digest Wed, 13 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 149

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ADMIN: New site feature
Re: [Re: Replacing Firestone Tires -- Are we adults here?
Re: [Steering on 95 loose]
Re: [98 Explorer 4wd]
87 Bronco II 302/C-4  4WD for sale
Re: [Bronco 2 side windows]
ADMIN: FTE Picture Gallery Additions
Re: [Explorer A/C Question]
Re: [Bronco 2 side windows]
Re: 87 Bronco II 302/C-4  4WD for sale
Re: [ 4WD for sale] and crashing CPU
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:14:50 -0400
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Subject: ADMIN: New site feature

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Date: 13 Sep 00 20:05:56 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Replacing Firestone Tires -- Are we adults here?

"Keith Christensen" <radiopro kendra.com> wrote:
> First off; Tim's "just the messenger", so don't throw flames his
> way!!

I agree! <G>  Tires are like many other replaceable items; everyone has their
favorite(s) and everything else is inferior at best...  My intent when I quote
from BFS Inc letters is to inform consumers of what the retailers are being
told and (hopefully!) clear the air of some misconceptions.  My opinions or
interjected comments are easily ignored of course.  If I see a new BFS letter
at work I grab it to see if there's anything worth retyping at home.  (Learned
NOT to quote the entire letter.. there's a 10K limit to FTE mail and I wasted
a perfectly good evening finding that out.  <BG>)

> Second; I don't think that either Tim or I qualify as *certified*
> "tire experts" for legal purposes.......................

I can't vouch for you, but I'm not going to lay claim to it; a tire retailer
yes (independent!), but that's as far as I'd care to go legally.

>
> Methinks that Ford "Corporate" is extremely out of it's "mind"
> (TINFCM) with this list.

The tires they chose to test I guess, presumably the ones they flirted with as
OE.

> There's a whole bunch of tires on this
> list that I wouldn't put on a dog for fear that said dog would lose
> traction in a mudpuddle, and a far larger list that wasn't "listed"
> that I'd "approve personally"..

Agreed on both counts

>
> I'm biased (+) on Dunlops, and didn't see them at all.

If they are of the same load, type, etc. they'd fall in the category of
"Additionally any tire that meets the above criteria listed under
'Acceptable Replacement Tires' may be used for Explorers and Mountaineers. "
Whether or not your BFS dealer is willing to look it up for the recall I can't
say; but from a liability standpoint these are the tires you have to chose
from (including the non-listed but acceptable), going out of the box results
in liabilty to the retailer rather than BFS.  Unless of course you follow the
"get 'em elsewhere and return the carcasses" program.  ;-) (Of course the
liability issue is still in effect, but another brand dealer isn't under the
microscope at the moment.)

> And-- personal opinion---  "most" Explorer owners would be better
> off with a passenger "all weather" tread pattern in a P235/75 size

Probably so and 4x2 has the all-season as a choice but not the 4x4 due to the
handling notes (which are in the "tire guide", not just BFS documents).  Of
course larger sizes aren't approved either, but I think those that desire them
*know* of the effects and accept them and wouldn't sue FoMoCo if they roll.

>  Those of us here on the list are different,

We've certainly shown a passion for our various vehicles by the time we devote
on-line about them; that's not the norm among the motoring public that goes
from point A to point B in whatever they got a deal on.  I think most of us
will also accept the consequences of our choices when modifying them from
stock as well, be it emissions compliance or increased roll-over potential, or
what have you...  Our willingness to help others in our free time speaks
volumes about us also.

Tim

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Date: 13 Sep 00 20:16:14 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Steering on 95 loose]

Bakend aol.com wrote:

> to be turned about 1 inch before the wheels turn. The alignment shop says
> that we need a whole new rack and pinion set for around $600 to $800! Ouch!

> Anyone with a similar model (70K miles) have this problem?

The mileage seems kinda low for that problem but possible.  Did the shop say
exactly what was wrong with the existing rack?  (Such as inner tie-rods or??)
Loose rack mounting hardware could be a possibilty as could  slop in the
steering shaft.  A second opinion (and estimate!) would be a good idea before
plunking down that kinda cash.



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Date: 13 Sep 00 20:23:09 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [98 Explorer 4wd]

"Dave Gleason" <SonLight ixpnet.com> wrote:
>
> The 4wd on my '98 Explorer has been in to the dealer once when it quit
functioning.  The 4wd hi and lo lights  flashed in sequence and the 4wd would
not engage.  The dealer did something, but now, about 6 weeks later, the
problem is back.

Usually moisture/corrosion in the electrical connectors around the tranny, but
actuators and modules have their problems as well.

Has anyone else had a similiar problem, and if so, what fixed it permanantly?


Might want to have the dealer check for TSBs regarding revised connectors
(typical) or inspecting them yourself and cleaning the terminals then
reassembling using dielectric grease between the mating halves.

Tim
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From: "Brian A" <richat22 hotmail.com>
Subject: 87 Bronco II 302/C-4  4WD for sale
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:34:57 GMT

I have finished my Bronco II 95%.  The only thing is it lacking is minor
interior details.  I have beeen driving this thing 62 miles each way to work
about twice a week and it has over 1000 miles on it so far doing great.
temp, pressure, all good.  mechanically fine.  In great condition.   Moving
and need to get rid of it quick.  Check it out here:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://southeastern.webjump.com

I hate to get rid of it but have to.  Don't want it sitting and i am moving
600 miles.  The vehicle is located in central AL.

Brian
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Date: 13 Sep 00 20:57:53 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Bronco 2 side windows]

Adam McLaughlin <kd6poc jps.net> wrote:
> Attn: Bronco 2 owners, Tim especially!!
>
> I got the top chopped off of the bronco 2 today. Next monday, it goes to
> the body shop for finishing work. They will be pinch welding, and
> rolling the rough edges that I left them to do. It will look totally
> factory, with everything being just perfect. I am going to go with a
> ranger tailgate for the rear end.

I've only seen two, but I suspect there was a factory built/converted edition.
The ones I've seen were owned by the local County so I doubt they were
converted at a later date...  Surprised me the first time, sadly  I cant
recall if the bed was built to the cab or not but I think it wasnt.  (Tiny
little box!)  Anyone else know more about 'em?

> Now, I would like to help those who have helped me. Does anyone need a
> set of rear windows for a bronco 2? Used, good condition. No cracks,
> chips, dents, etc. The original factory tint is all there, and is
> excellent condition.

Hmmm... let me go try some of the places I've chickened out on before and if I
need 'em afterwards I'll let ya know!  <BG>  Funny.. most people are scared to
roll from getting hurt; me, I dont want to break that expensive glass.
(Probably a GOOD thing.. keeps me safer.)

> How much? Hmm... I don't know. I'm not trying to make a lot of money off
> of these, so make me an offer.

Shipping might be a bit expensive so take that into consideration.

> You guys have helped me in many, many
> ways and maybe I can help someone else out.

Very nice of you!  If I had the extra cash I'd go look in a junkyard for one
that was totalled due to glass damge then get it and your windows.
Here's an interesting idea that would take some negotiation...  Donate them to
the FTE site for auctioning/raffling/giveaway with XX% to you and the rest to
be ear-marked for FTE improvements, expenses, etc.  If you don't get any
takers from the list(s)  I'd suggest eBay with a reserve price of at least
$200-300 per side and buyer to pay actual shipping.

Tim

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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:02:57 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: FTE Picture Gallery Additions

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Truck Enthusiasts web site Picture Gallery:

1998 F-150 Lariat
1984 F-150 XLT
1979 F-150 4x4
1979 F-150
1976 F-100 Ranger
1976 F-100
1961 F-100
1953 F-100

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Date: 13 Sep 00 21:50:48 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Explorer A/C Question]

Bolte Brent <Brent.Bolte kone.com> wrote:

> From what I can tell, when the
> A/C
> compressor kicks in it pulls the idle speed down too low and the engine
> control processor then disengages the compressor to bring the engine idle
> speed back up.

Likely, but may not be the actual A/C itself causing the excess drop unless
the compressor is on the verge of locking up.  (See below).

> It will then sit for a few seconds, turn the compressor back
> on, and a second later turn it back off because the idle speed once again
> drops back down.  Two ways I've found to "correct" the problem is to either
> step on the gas pedal to slightly increase idle speed, or shift into
> neutral, both
> of which will allow the compressor to stay engaged.

I assume the engine temperature is normal while idling in Drive and you have
no malfunction lights lit?

This is a 1997 Explorer
> with the 4.0 OHV V6.  I know idle speed is supposed to be computer
> controlled
> so its not a matter of idle speed going out of or needing adjustment.
Yes & no.. there is an adjustment for the throttle stop involving a very
specific procedure to keep it in sync with what the computer expects.
Deposits on the throttle plate/bore can disrupt this match and cleaning *may*
help

> Could it possibly be the idle speed solenoid
> not
> turning on to compensate for the extra engine load when the compressor
kicks
>
> in while idling

Rather than a 2 position solenoid the idle is controlled by a valve with a
varying signal for amount of opening to allow for varying conditions.  It's
not uncommon for it to partially fail in it's 'normally used' range.  If the
valve dies completely there will be little change in RPM from cold start to
fully warmed but passing this doesn't rule out a partial failure.   Running
the P/S to full lock will give a load similar to the A/C and may help in the
diagnosing of the valve's functioning.

>or could a vacuum leak cause the idle speed to have gotten
> off.

The idle is controlled by varying the incoming air, a vacuum leak certainly
alters the program and a leak in the ducting from the MAF to the throttle body
results in 'unmeasured' air being let in.

> This seemed to start suddenly after we drove for about 6 straight hours
> (stopping
> for gas of course), but I think this was purely coincidental.

Rarely, but sometimes I've seen vehicles driven primarily one way then
suddenly another (Such as usual grocery getter then a vacation run) exhibt odd
driveability concerns for a while as the computer goes through some
re-learning procedures.

>  Any hints or
> ideas
> would be helpful.

The MAF could also be suspect, usually there'll be some other problems such as
subtle to moderate hesitation and/or pinging in this case.

If you have access I'd check for any stored codes first to get an idea of
where to look; otherwise I'd check the clamps and ducting between the air
filter and the throttle for looseness or splits, the throttle plate for crud
build-up, then all the vacuum hoses for softness/cracks.  Lastly and ONLY if
you feel comfortable with it remove the two painted tamper-resistant torx
screws holding the MAF to it's housing and remove it.  Be careful as there is
a very fine wire here and damage means replacing the entire unit...  look for
any crud on the now exposed wire and if there then clean with a high quality
spray cleaner.

Hope this helps!

Tim



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From: "Brian A" <richat22 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Bronco 2 side windows]
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:24:33 GMT


Very nice of you!  If I had the extra cash I'd go look in a junkyard for one
that was totalled due to glass damge then get it and your windows.
Here's an interesting idea that would take some negotiation...  Donate them
to
the FTE site for auctioning/raffling/giveaway with XX% to you and the rest
to
be ear-marked for FTE improvements, expenses, etc.  If you don't get any
takers from the list(s)  I'd suggest eBay with a reserve price of at least
$200-300 per side and buyer to pay actual shipping.

Tim

I know at some point I'm going to kick myself for not jumping on this...
:-)


Adam,
I know how you feel.  i gave away an 84 bro II with great body, rear end,
all glass minus windshield, and a good title simply for no place to keep it.
 Thats money




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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 87 Bronco II 302/C-4  4WD for sale
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:34:31 -0500

Every time I open this site and it comes up, My computer shuts down.......
What causes this??  Any body have a clue???

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.
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Subject: [small-list] 87 Bronco II 302/C-4 4WD for sale


> I have finished my Bronco II 95%.  The only thing is it lacking is minor
> interior details.  I have beeen driving this thing 62 miles each way to
work
> about twice a week and it has over 1000 miles on it so far doing great.
> temp, pressure, all good.  mechanically fine.  In great condition.
Moving
> and need to get rid of it quick.  Check it out here:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://southeastern.webjump.com
>
> I hate to get rid of it but have to.  Don't want it sitting and i am
moving
> 600 miles.  The vehicle is located in central AL.
>
> Brian
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Date: 14 Sep 00 00:32:53 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [ 4WD for sale] and crashing CPU

"Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 hiwaay.net> wrote:
> Every time I open this site and it comes up, My computer shuts down.......
> What causes this??  Any body have a clue???

I presume the site mentioned in the message.  It opens a 'Java' window in
addition to the site wanted.  A myriad of possibilities for why you would
crash when opening it but you can trying using Netscape instead of MSIE or
vice-versa.  Another possibility would be to disable Java temporarily before
going there.  (A good way to get rid of the annoying 'pop-up' boxes that
certain types of sites are so fond of and easy to turn on/off especially in
Netscape.)

Tim

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