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small-list Digest Wed, 23 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 135

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Re: Explorer tires - best way to get them replaced?
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Ranger Firestones
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:49:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Explorer tires - best way to get them replaced?



Only Ford dealers that are also authorized Firestone dealers are replacing tires
under the current recall guidelines.





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I heard on the news that Ford has authorized dealers to replace the defective
Firestone tires.   However when I called my local ford dealer he said I had to
go through Firestone.
I called Firestone and they said come in - they'll put me on a list and replace
the tires in a few weeks with whatever comparable tire they have in stock.

Anyone out there getting tires replaced by Ford?   I'd like some say in the
replacement tire - not some no name brand tire that someone says is comparable.
Does comparable with Firestone mean that they will fly apart also?

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:54:43 -0400
From: David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Explorer tires - best way to get them

The only ford dealers that will replace the tires are the ford dealers that
advertise as also being tire stores.
The other ford dealers will laugh at you.



At 09:42 AM 8/23/2000, you wrote:


>I heard on the news that Ford has authorized dealers to replace the defective
>Firestone tires.   However when I called my local ford dealer he said I had to
>go through Firestone.
>I called Firestone and they said come in - they'll put me on a list and
>replace
>the tires in a few weeks with whatever comparable tire they have in stock.
>
>Anyone out there getting tires replaced by Ford?   I'd like some say in the
>replacement tire - not some no name brand tire that someone says is
>comparable.
>Does comparable with Firestone mean that they will fly apart also?

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:31:20 -0700
From: "Michael D. Sheridan" <marble psnw.com>
Subject: Ranger Firestones

My 1999 2WD Ranger has the same Firestone tires being
mentioned but they are the 225 Wilderness AT.

What about us guys? Are we going to be included
in this recall or just the 235s?

As a matter of fact I have never liked the tires
from the day I bought the truck new. They seem to me
to ride terrible and with the grooves being so
far apart they pick up every little pebble they
can find and I never drive off road. It's all I
can do with a small screwdriver to dig the pebbles
out of them before the service man has changed
the oil and filter and started to lower the rack.

Just a glance at the sidewalls would appear
to me that they are a second line or a blemished
tire as there are a few ridges and valleys here
and there.

I don't trust these tires so I almost never take
this truck on the highway.

I've got 16,000 miles on them now and if not recalled
and replaced at no charge I am going to dump them at
20,000 and get something I feel safe with.

Any comment would be helpful including the top of
line tire for this truck which is mostly driven
around town and never carries much of a load.

Michael

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Date: 23 Aug 00 18:44:59 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Explorer tires - best way to get them replaced?]

"Edward C. Miller" <millered pb.com> wrote:
>
>
> I heard on the news that Ford has authorized dealers to replace the
defective
> Firestone tires.

More correctly the dealers that are also tire outlets.

> However when I called my local ford dealer he said I had to
> go through Firestone.

Not surprising; many (most?) dealerships don't handle tires at all.  Warranty
problems usually result in the shop pulling the wheels and sending them to the
proper outlet for new skins.


> I'd like some say in the
> replacement tire - not some no name brand tire that someone says is
comparable.

The tire shop's first choice would likely be a Bridgestone product being part
of the same company. (And suggested in it's own company letters to retailers.)
The Desert Dueler series is popular in this area (Coastal NC).  IMHO other
brands that would be comparable would be the Dunlop Radial Rover, GoodYear
Wranglers and the Michelins are popular on this list (I forget the series).
No slight to brands I didn't mention, just going off the top of my head.
Hmmm.. just saw on the news the airlifted tires from Japan and guess what?
They were Duelers...  One side effect is that 235/75/15s are soon going to be
hard to get regardless of brand.  Anyone thinking about going to slightly
bigger tire *MIGHT* be able to work out a deal and get them replaced sooner
that way.

> Does comparable with Firestone mean that they will fly apart also?

If overloaded and improperly inflated long enough yes.  ;-)

Tim



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Date: 23 Aug 00 19:58:38 EDT
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Ranger Firestones]

"Michael D. Sheridan" <marble psnw.com> wrote:
> My 1999 2WD Ranger has the same Firestone tires being
> mentioned but they are the 225 Wilderness AT.
>
> What about us guys? Are we going to be included
> in this recall or just the 235s?

At this point in time it is only the 235 ATX, ATX II (All) and Wilderness AT
with DOT code starting with "VD" that have shown statistically greater
incidents than other sizes/tires.  Joan of Arc (er.. Claybrook rather)  thinks
they should all be recalled, there are some reports of problems with the 16"
on Explorers as well.

Some thoughts:

1) Roughly 12 Million 235s were made and 7 Million are expected to be involved
with the other 5 Million having been taken out of service (worn out or
otherwise discarded).  Last I heard there were some 4-500 reported incidents;
let's say under 1/2 of all incidents were reported and call it 1200 for
1200/12,000,00 or .01 percent chance that any given 235 will fail or .04
percent that one on a given vehicle will.  Those kinds of odds cause people to
jump out of perfectly good aircraft willingly.  ;-)


2) As I recall Firestone originally said most failed tires have been shown to
be improperly maintained or used (obviously I can't vouch for the veracity of
that!)  The somewhat lower than normal (26 PSI) that Ford suggested for the
Explorer leaves little margin of safety to the point where underinflation is
deemed to start.

3) Certainly Firestone bears the brunt of responsibility for putting drivers
in a dangerous position, but handled properly the loss of a tire can be just
scary rather than fatal.  I've handled blow-outs, seperation and total wheel
loss at speed over the last 22 years of driving with the only results being
cosmetic from tread slapping the sheet metal or physical from the axle
contacting the pavement at 60 MPH.  (Apologies in advance if anyone on the
list has lost someone due to these tires!)

> Just a glance at the sidewalls would appear
> to me that they are a second line or a blemished
> tire as there are a few ridges and valleys here
> and there.

I don't like seeing that either, but supposedly it's normal on a radial tire
and doesn't warrant replacing.  (Personally I do replace though on my own
vehicles.)

> Any comment would be helpful including the top of
> line tire for this truck which is mostly driven
> around town and never carries much of a load.

Given the load factor and pavement only use I'd look at top rated passenger
car tires; might have to change size just a touch to do so but if you keep the
overall tire diameter/rev's per mile roughly the same the speedometer will
still be accurate.  I'm most familliar (and happy!) with the Bridgestone
family and in that I'd suggest the Turanza or Potenza as being the top-shelf
with the B-420 being a good choice for a less expensive but good serviceable
option.  I'm sure others on the list will have suggestions among other brands.
:-)

Tim

PS:  If you have a habit of picking up nails and such we have some customers
that have liked the Uniroyal "NailGuard" tire but I have no personal
experience with them.

TT

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From: "Joe" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: [Ranger Firestones]
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:32:48 -0400

Here is some disturbing news I heard while talking with my local tire
dealer.  He told me yes the 15" Firestones  are recalled but the only ones
he has seen problems with are the 16" (in my area).  He told me that in the
past 5 years at least 12-15 trucks have had cracks in the tread or pieces
missing out of the tread.  Mine were check and had no signs of problems yet,
but he did tell me to have them check ever oil change.  I trust this guy and
no he is not trying to just sell me tires.

Just an FYI

Joe

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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:59 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: [Ranger Firestones]


"Michael D. Sheridan" <marble psnw.com> wrote:
> My 1999 2WD Ranger has the same Firestone tires being
> mentioned but they are the 225 Wilderness AT.
>
> What about us guys? Are we going to be included
> in this recall or just the 235s?

At this point in time it is only the 235 ATX, ATX II (All) and Wilderness AT
with DOT code starting with "VD" that have shown statistically greater
incidents than other sizes/tires.  Joan of Arc (er.. Claybrook rather)
thinks
they should all be recalled, there are some reports of problems with the 16"
on Explorers as well.

Some thoughts:

1) Roughly 12 Million 235s were made and 7 Million are expected to be
involved
with the other 5 Million having been taken out of service (worn out or
otherwise discarded).  Last I heard there were some 4-500 reported
incidents;
let's say under 1/2 of all incidents were reported and call it 1200 for
1200/12,000,00 or .01 percent chance that any given 235 will fail or .04
percent that one on a given vehicle will.  Those kinds of odds cause people
to
jump out of perfectly good aircraft willingly.  ;-)


2) As I recall Firestone originally said most failed tires have been shown
to
be improperly maintained or used (obviously I can't vouch for the veracity
of
that!)  The somewhat lower than normal (26 PSI) that Ford suggested for the
Explorer leaves little margin of safety to the point where underinflation is
deemed to start.

3) Certainly Firestone bears the brunt of responsibility for putting drivers
in a dangerous position, but handled properly the loss of a tire can be just
scary rather than fatal.  I've handled blow-outs, seperation and total wheel
loss at speed over the last 22 years of driving with the only results being
cosmetic from tread slapping the sheet metal or physical from the axle
contacting the pavement at 60 MPH.  (Apologies in advance if anyone on the
list has lost someone due to these tires!)

> Just a glance at the sidewalls would appear
> to me that they are a second line or a blemished
> tire as there are a few ridges and valleys here
> and there.

I don't like seeing that either, but supposedly it's normal on a radial tire
and doesn't warrant replacing.  (Personally I do replace though on my own
vehicles.)

> Any comment would be helpful including the top of
> line tire for this truck which is mostly driven
> around town and never carries much of a load.

Given the load factor and pavement only use I'd look at top rated passenger
car tires; might have to change size just a touch to do so but if you keep
the
overall tire diameter/rev's per mile roughly the same the speedometer will
still be accurate.  I'm most familliar (and happy!) with the Bridgestone
family and in that I'd suggest the Turanza or Potenza as being the top-shelf
with the B-420 being a good choice for a less expensive but good serviceable
option.  I'm sure others on the list will have suggestions among other
brands.
:-)

Tim

PS:  If you have a habit of picking up nails and such we have some customers
that have liked the Uniroyal "NailGuard" tire but I have no personal
experience with them.

TT

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From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:33:14 EDT
Subject: Re: [Ranger Firestones]

and of the 15 inch firestones  its only the P235 size  I have the P225 size
on my 2wd ranger and am nervous driving on hot days. So whether or not  they
extend the recall to the size ihave, im saving up my pennies and buying  four
goodyears to put on there, and im insisting that the next truck i buy does
NOT have firestones
Bob

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:17:51 -0400
From: David Cooley <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ranger Firestones]

At 08:33 AM 8/24/2000, you wrote:


>and of the 15 inch firestones  its only the P235 size  I have the P225 size
>on my 2wd ranger and am nervous driving on hot days. So whether or not  they
>extend the recall to the size ihave, im saving up my pennies and buying  four
>goodyears to put on there, and im insisting that the next truck i buy does
>NOT have firestones


I haven't had the best luck with Goodyears either...
Had really good luck with Cooper, BFG, and Michelin.


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