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In this issue:

FTE Small - Firestone Wilderness AT
FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging
Re: [FTE Small - New tires at Pep Boys] Tire guide info
FTE Small - Forced induction for 2.3l?
Re: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging
Re: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging
Re: [FTE Small - New tires at Pep Boys] Tire guide info
Re: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging
FTE Small - Tires
AW: FTE Small - Tires

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:57:51 EST
From: Blest25913 aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - Firestone Wilderness AT

In a message dated 1/18/0 4:54:45 AM, owner-small-list-digest ford-trucks.com
writes:

I have the original Firestone Wilderness AT's on my '96 Ranger. The truck
has 101K miles on it and I think I will probably go another 10K or 20K on
them. I keep them inflated to 31-34 lbs., and regularly rotate all 5 tires.
So each tire only has about 80K on it. I've never had tires last me this long
before.

Ron Trampe

< < From: "Mike Haight" home.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - New tires at Pep Boys

I've always found that running my tires at the MAX PSI rated on the side of
the tire gives me the best return on my money. I am still running the stock
Firestone Radial ATX tires on my 92 Ranger and currently have over 75,000
miles on them and enough tread to make it another 10,000--that is if the
rubber holds out since it is already 8 years old. Of course, proper
inflation is only one ingredient in making tires last....proper rotation >>

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:23:28 -0700
From: Bob Fiddes cybertrails.com>
Subject: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging

Have a very unusual problem with an 88 2.3 Ranger. Here are the facts:
1. Only pings when it exceeds 3000 rpm in 1st, 2nd, & 3rd gears. 4th and 5th
are fine with no pinging.
2. Doesn't matter if you are at full throttle or just maintaining 3200 rpm,
ping is there.
3. Have reset the time to 6 degrees. Normal setting is 10 degrees.
4. Doesn't matter whether I use 87, 89 or 93 octane.
5. No error codes in memory or when going through the engine running sequences.

Any and all ideas or possible solutions will be welcomed.

Thanks,

Bob Fiddes

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Date: 19 Jan 00 20:28:10 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [FTE Small - New tires at Pep Boys] Tire guide info

"Steinbrook, Steve" mail.rfweston.com> wrote:

> The second problem came with the installation. =


> Ford recommended 27 (for the stock 235/75 15's)
> but I usually kept them at 29. He said fine and
> marked it on the order. When I got the truck back, these were the
pressures
> I found. Right rear, 20 psi, right front, 40, left rear, 60, and left
front
> 55. Not only is this incompetent, but it seems rather dangerous as wel=
l,

I'll agree there!! The kid that put the tires on obviously hasn't been
present when a tire blows out on the mounting machine. (It's darn loud! =
and
hazardous to all nearby.) I could understand the mistake of all being at=
35
PSI, but that's just blatant poor work.

> My question is what is a good pressure to run the tires at? I do a lot=
of
> highway driving. Since the new tires are bigger, can I put more pressu=
re
in
> the tires or does the Ford recommendation still hold? =


I finally remembered to bring home a "tire guide" from work; the 1996 ver=
sion
to be precise. According to it the Explorer had a variety of sizes and
pressures depending on the options/doors/etc. P225/70/15 30/35 PSI,
P235/75/15 26/26 PSI, and P255/70/16 30/30 PSI on rims ranging from 6=
- -7"
wide. An interesting item is the *NOTE* underneath the Explorer page say=
ing
"FORD Motor Company WARNS not to use High Performance and All Season tire=
s on
the FORD Explorer. If in doubt, check with local FORD Dealer."

Looking at the chart provided by "The Rubber Manufacturers Assn." for
acceptable canditate substitute sizes for P-metric Vs. LT metric & Flotat=
ion
sizes for 235/75/15 STANDARD load (35 PSI tire) yields: LT 235/75/15 load=

range 'C' at 15 PSI higher than original and 30x9.5x15 LT load range 'C' =
and
+15 PSI. P235/75/15 XL (extra load rated 41 PSI) gets 235 LTs load range=
'D'
and +20 PSI or 31x10.5x15 LT load range 'C' at +15 PSI. LOTS of notes
though:

1) Mount only on approved rim widths (7-9" for 31x10.5x15s)
2) Make sure the rim/wheel has adequate load and inflation capacity
3) P-Metric tires are derated 10% for load capacity in LT applications.
4) Vehicle handling may be affected when P-M tires are replaced with LTs
5) The added pressure is for matching load carrying capacity

Many more notes, but those are the most pertinent to the topic.

I'd probably run them at 35 as I doubt the rim is rated any higher and mo=
nitor
the tire wear over it's life. An interesting observation from leafing th=
e
'guide' is that no small Ford trucks had LT tires as OE and neither did t=
he
'150' series trucks; only the 250 and higher had LT tires as standard

Tim
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:29:52 -0500
From: "Will Brown" mindspring.com>
Subject: FTE Small - Forced induction for 2.3l?

Any forced induction kits out there for '94 2.3l Ford engines?

Any places suggested to look if the answer is not readily known?

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:06:19 PST
From: "Joey Ramsey" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging

Sounds like your running hot since it isnt your timing.
Check your thermostat to make sure it isnt stuck shut. Is your EGR
functioning properly?

>From: Bob Fiddes cybertrails.com>
>Reply-To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:23:28 -0700
>
>Have a very unusual problem with an 88 2.3 Ranger. Here are the facts:
>1. Only pings when it exceeds 3000 rpm in 1st, 2nd, & 3rd gears. 4th and
>5th
>are fine with no pinging.
>2. Doesn't matter if you are at full throttle or just maintaining 3200
>rpm,
>ping is there.
>3. Have reset the time to 6 degrees. Normal setting is 10 degrees.
>4. Doesn't matter whether I use 87, 89 or 93 octane.
>5. No error codes in memory or when going through the engine running
>sequences.
>
>Any and all ideas or possible solutions will be welcomed.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob Fiddes
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:41:50 PST
From: "mikah vosekuil" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging

I have an 87 ford ranger with a 2.3. When i bought it it pinged in every
gear. I talked to the previous owner and found out that he ran 93 octain
fuel all the time. The 2.3 was designed to burn 87 octain only. By using
the higher octain that recomended the combustion chambers were full of
carbon deposits, which raised the compression ratio. 89 and 93 octain is
for high compression engines. The 2.3 is not a high compression engine.
The carbon deposits raise and mis-shape the chamber which causes pinging or
knock. The cure for this problem is acctually very simple. Decarbonize the
motor. Snap-on makes a machine to do this. It's called motor-vac. Find a
shop in your area that has this machine. You hook the machine to the fuel
lines where they hook to the fuel rail. These connections should be on the
drivers side by the fire wall. A chemical is put in a tank on the machine
and is mixed with gas. The machine has a fuel pump built in it, and
provides the pressure to run the motor. You run the motor off the
gas/chemical mix for approximatly 1/2 hour. Before you start the motor you
have to disconnect your trucks fuel pump. The easiest way to do this is
unplug the inerta switch which is located on the inner fire wall on the
passenger side. When the gas mix is gone reconnect all lines and the
inertia switch. Drive the vehicle hard for 30+ miles. You should notice a
significant difference. After this ONLY run 87 octain.


>From: Bob Fiddes cybertrails.com>
>Reply-To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:23:28 -0700
>
>Have a very unusual problem with an 88 2.3 Ranger. Here are the facts:
>1. Only pings when it exceeds 3000 rpm in 1st, 2nd, & 3rd gears. 4th and
>5th
>are fine with no pinging.
>2. Doesn't matter if you are at full throttle or just maintaining 3200
>rpm,
>ping is there.
>3. Have reset the time to 6 degrees. Normal setting is 10 degrees.
>4. Doesn't matter whether I use 87, 89 or 93 octane.
>5. No error codes in memory or when going through the engine running
>sequences.
>
>Any and all ideas or possible solutions will be welcomed.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob Fiddes
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:45:59 PST
From: "mikah vosekuil" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FTE Small - New tires at Pep Boys] Tire guide info

I work at a garage that installs lots and lots of tires. My experience has
been as long as the size is whats recomended for the vehicle, run the
pressure at the max psi listed on the side wall.


>From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
>Reply-To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>CC: richard custerauto.com
>Subject: Re: [FTE Small - New tires at Pep Boys] Tire guide info
>Date: 19 Jan 00 20:28:10 EST
>
>"Steinbrook, Steve" mail.rfweston.com> wrote:
>
> > The second problem came with the installation.
>
> > Ford recommended 27 (for the stock 235/75 15's)
> > but I usually kept them at 29. He said fine and
> > marked it on the order. When I got the truck back, these were the
>pressures
> > I found. Right rear, 20 psi, right front, 40, left rear, 60, and left
>front
> > 55. Not only is this incompetent, but it seems rather dangerous as
>well,
>
>I'll agree there!! The kid that put the tires on obviously hasn't been
>present when a tire blows out on the mounting machine. (It's darn loud!
>and
>hazardous to all nearby.) I could understand the mistake of all being at
>35
>PSI, but that's just blatant poor work.
>
> > My question is what is a good pressure to run the tires at? I do a lot
>of
> > highway driving. Since the new tires are bigger, can I put more
>pressure
>in
> > the tires or does the Ford recommendation still hold?
>
>I finally remembered to bring home a "tire guide" from work; the 1996
>version
>to be precise. According to it the Explorer had a variety of sizes and
>pressures depending on the options/doors/etc. P225/70/15 30/35 PSI,
>P235/75/15 26/26 PSI, and P255/70/16 30/30 PSI on rims ranging from
>6-7"
>wide. An interesting item is the *NOTE* underneath the Explorer page
>saying
>"FORD Motor Company WARNS not to use High Performance and All Season tires
>on
>the FORD Explorer. If in doubt, check with local FORD Dealer."
>
>Looking at the chart provided by "The Rubber Manufacturers Assn." for
>acceptable canditate substitute sizes for P-metric Vs. LT metric &
>Flotation
>sizes for 235/75/15 STANDARD load (35 PSI tire) yields: LT 235/75/15 load
>range 'C' at 15 PSI higher than original and 30x9.5x15 LT load range 'C'
>and
>+15 PSI. P235/75/15 XL (extra load rated 41 PSI) gets 235 LTs load range
>'D'
>and +20 PSI or 31x10.5x15 LT load range 'C' at +15 PSI. LOTS of notes
>though:
>
>1) Mount only on approved rim widths (7-9" for 31x10.5x15s)
>2) Make sure the rim/wheel has adequate load and inflation capacity
>3) P-Metric tires are derated 10% for load capacity in LT applications.
>4) Vehicle handling may be affected when P-M tires are replaced with LTs
>5) The added pressure is for matching load carrying capacity
>
>Many more notes, but those are the most pertinent to the topic.
>
>I'd probably run them at 35 as I doubt the rim is rated any higher and
>monitor
>the tire wear over it's life. An interesting observation from leafing the
>'guide' is that no small Ford trucks had LT tires as OE and neither did the
>'150' series trucks; only the 250 and higher had LT tires as standard
>
>Tim
>Custer Auto Repair
>Wilmington NC
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:48:38 PST
From: "mikah vosekuil" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging

I forgot to write to write this too. Pull the spout connector off and set
timimg to recomended specs.


>From: Bob Fiddes cybertrails.com>
>Reply-To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE Small - 2.3 Pinging
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:23:28 -0700
>
>Have a very unusual problem with an 88 2.3 Ranger. Here are the facts:
>1. Only pings when it exceeds 3000 rpm in 1st, 2nd, & 3rd gears. 4th and
>5th
>are fine with no pinging.
>2. Doesn't matter if you are at full throttle or just maintaining 3200
>rpm,
>ping is there.
>3. Have reset the time to 6 degrees. Normal setting is 10 degrees.
>4. Doesn't matter whether I use 87, 89 or 93 octane.
>5. No error codes in memory or when going through the engine running
>sequences.
>
>Any and all ideas or possible solutions will be welcomed.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob Fiddes
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:44:30 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE Small - Tires

> anyone think that the bean-counters at Ford, the wunderkinds who >gave >us plastic drivetrain parts, leaky air conditioning connections, >failure-prone heater cores, (the list goes on forever)
> would spend one flippin' dime more than was absolutely necessary on >tires? Hell, no!!!

The OEM Firestones on my 91 (which has 98k miles without any REPEAT any
major problem,best vehicle I have ever owned)went 50k on the OEM
Firestones.


>Besides, LT tires tend to be stiffer (they
>usually have at least two additional plys in the sidewalls, hence the >higher load rating)

Why do I need LT tires? I never come close to overloading the P series
that are on it now.

>and the suburban moms wouldn't like the firmer ride!!!

LT tires ride rougher than P series.Most every other SUV in the Explorer
class run P series.Why would Ford want to put LT tires on the Explorer?
So it rides rougher than the competion?

On tire pressure.
I try to run enough air pressure so that ther tread lays flat on the
road.Too much and the center is the only portion on the road.Too little
and just the edges hit.A little better fuel mileage can be had with
higher pressure due to less rolling resistance,but I prefer a little
smoother ride myself.
The max inflation for a tire is just that.The max.
Tire manufacturers have no control over what you mount their tires on.
They are telling you no matter what they are mounted on don't put over
XXX PSI in them.
I always run less.The 35" BFG T/As on my 76 F-250
are 55 psi max.They will bounce you through the roof at 45 psi.
I run them at 25 PSI and got 60k out of my last set.
I run the Firestones on my Explorer at 28 and have had good wear so far.
I have Dunlops on my 84 with 80 PSI max.Do you think I drive it around
like that????Might as well fill the tires with concrete.I run them at
45PSI.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:16:03 +0100
From: ThomasUcen premiereworld.de
Subject: AW: FTE Small - Tires

The factory Michelins on my Aerostar lasted for over 60,000 mls and were
just great! Too bad Michelin does not sell any tires of my size (215/75-14
98) over here in Germany. I replaced them with Cooper snow tires a few
months ago. Can anyone tell me more about this brand? Does it last, is it
good or is it just cheap junk?

Tom Ucen
Munich, Germany
1993 Aerostar 3.0L

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An: small-list ford-trucks.com
Betreff: FTE Small - Tires

> anyone think that the bean-counters at Ford, the wunderkinds who >gave >us
plastic drivetrain parts, leaky air conditioning connections, >failure-prone
heater cores, (the list goes on forever)
> would spend one flippin' dime more than was absolutely necessary on
>tires? Hell, no!!!

The OEM Firestones on my 91 (which has 98k miles without any REPEAT any
major problem,best vehicle I have ever owned)went 50k on the OEM
Firestones.


>Besides, LT tires tend to be stiffer (they
>usually have at least two additional plys in the sidewalls, hence the
>higher load rating)

Why do I need LT tires? I never come close to overloading the P series
that are on it now.

>and the suburban moms wouldn't like the firmer ride!!!

LT tires ride rougher than P series.Most every other SUV in the Explorer
class run P series.Why would Ford want to put LT tires on the Explorer?
So it rides rougher than the competion?

On tire pressure.
I try to run enough air pressure so that ther tread lays flat on the
road.Too much and the center is the only portion on the road.Too little
and just the edges hit.A little better fuel mileage can be had with
higher pressure due to less rolling resistance,but I prefer a little
smoother ride myself.
The max inflation for a tire is just that.The max.
Tire manufacturers have no control over what you mount their tires on.
They are telling you no matter what they are mounted on don't put over....


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