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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection
RE: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection
Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection
RE: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection
Re: FTE Small - Expedition sound system
Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection
FTE Small - Wipers
RE: FTE Small - Wipers
Re: FTE Small - Expedition sound system
AW: FTE Small - Wipers

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:38:21 -0500
From: Edwin B Yohe nmu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection

Because over half the fatalities in SUVs are due to rollovers.

At 07:02 PM 1/12/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Why exactly do they need rollover protection? I drive a 1988 "tippy" bronco
>II, with 31" tires, a 3" suspension lift and a 2" body lift. I have never,
>ever gotten it into a situation where I felt in danger, or like one of the
>wheels was off of the ground.
>
>Adam
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:52:17 -0600
From: "Tony Rio - (Chicago)" tigroupchicago.com>
Subject: RE: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection

Let's be fair. A lot of those fatalities are not due so much to any
inherant danger in the vehicle, it's due more to drivers doing stupid
things. I think it's safe to say we've all seen SUV drivers who drive the
truck like it's a low slung sports car, or because it's 4 wheel drive they
think they can go 75mph in any condition.


>Because over half the fatalities in SUVs are due to rollovers.


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:08:24 -0500
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy" ixtelecom.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection

You got it. Most of those "invincible" drivers probably account for a good
part of that statistic.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Rio - (Chicago) tigroupchicago.com>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:52
Subject: RE: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection


>
>
> Let's be fair. A lot of those fatalities are not due so much to any
> inherant danger in the vehicle, it's due more to drivers doing stupid
> things. I think it's safe to say we've all seen SUV drivers who drive the
> truck like it's a low slung sports car, or because it's 4 wheel drive they
> think they can go 75mph in any condition.
>
>
> >Because over half the fatalities in SUVs are due to rollovers.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:56:59 -0800
From: Kenny Paul employees.org>
Subject: RE: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection

PLEASE don't let this become another
"which is unsafe: The SUVs or the SUV drivers?" flamefest.



Until Next Time, Party Safe!
Kenny Paul, Pre-historic Mini-Trucker
kenny employees.org http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.employees.org/~kenny

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:44:16 +0200
From: Bolte Brent kone.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Expedition sound system

Tom,
This takes us a little off topic from the original question
on the Expedition audio system, but does your wiring diagram
book tell you whether this 12 pin connector for the CD changer
is included in all Explorers even if they were not originally equipped
with the CD changer. The reason I wonder is because my 97
Explorer's AM/FM/Cass radio has all of the controls for the CD
changer on it, but being an XLT ( without the 945 package ) it
only has the standard center console in it. When you get the
CD changer as an installed option from Ford, you have to order
an Explorer with the high series floor console ( the one that flows
up under the dash ). Since you can't get the CD changer from
the factory without the high series console, I'm wondering if my
XLT's AM/FM/Cass radio with CD changer controls would have
this cable with the 12 pin connector because I don't have the
"correct" floor console for the factory mounted changer. I've never
taken the console apart to see if the cable and 12 pin connector
is under it, but if it is, it sure would make adding a CD changer to
the Explorer fairly easy.

Thanks, Brent Bolte

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Tom Watson

If it is anyting like the one in my Explorer (I see no reason why not),
then it is a simple matter of getting the proper CD changer and plugging
it in. The changer fits in the center arm rest, and connects via a
(he goes and looks it up in the wiring diagrams) 12 pin connector. The
connector has all the audio, power, and control signals necessary to
make everything work.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:14:49 -0500
From: Edwin B Yohe nmu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection

True. But the whole point of the rollover protection is to save lives.
The point isn't to place blame on any vehicles or drivers.

>You got it. Most of those "invincible" drivers probably account for a good
>part of that statistic.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Tony Rio - (Chicago) tigroupchicago.com>
>To: ford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:52
>Subject: RE: FTE Small - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection
>
>
> >
> >
> > Let's be fair. A lot of those fatalities are not due so much to any
> > inherant danger in the vehicle, it's due more to drivers doing stupid
> > things. I think it's safe to say we've all seen SUV drivers who drive the
> > truck like it's a low slung sports car, or because it's 4 wheel drive they
> > think they can go 75mph in any condition.
> >
> >
> > >Because over half the fatalities in SUVs are due to rollovers.
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:23:01 -0600
From: Rowe Terry J Contr 96 CG/SCTXD eglin.af.mil>
Subject: FTE Small - Wipers

Can anybody give me some insight to this problem. I have a 97 Ranger with
45,000 miles. For the last 6 months my wipers come on without operating the
wiper switch. Sometimes my washer comes on too. I have intermitent wipers.
Sometimes they come on intermitently sometimes they come on at full setting.
I can stop them by operating the wiper switch. This is not a consistent
problem. Sometimes I go 3-4 days without any problem. When it is raining
and I use my wipers they operate fine. Is my problem the wiper switch or is
it some electronic module somewhere. Do you know if there is a recall by
Ford on this problem.
Thanks, any help will be appreciated

Terry J. Rowe


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:17:23 -0500
From: "Joe Merchak" eclipse.net>
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Wipers

Same thing happen on my 99 Ranger as well as my friends. The wiper control
switch was bad. There is a TSB (Ford says) about it.

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[mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Rowe Terry J Contr
96 CG/SCTXD
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:23 AM
To: 'small-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE Small - Wipers


Can anybody give me some insight to this problem. I have a 97 Ranger with
45,000 miles. For the last 6 months my wipers come on without operating the
wiper switch. Sometimes my washer comes on too. I have intermitent wipers.
Sometimes they come on intermitently sometimes they come on at full setting.
I can stop them by operating the wiper switch. This is not a consistent
problem. Sometimes I go 3-4 days without any problem. When it is raining
and I use my wipers they operate fine. Is my problem the wiper switch or is
it some electronic module somewhere. Do you know if there is a recall by
Ford on this problem.
Thanks, any help will be appreciated

Terry J. Rowe


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:44:15 CST
From: "Bad Brian" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Expedition sound system

the cables are not in the vehicle from the factory unless the changer was
there from the factory or dealer. even when you ahve changer controls you
have to get the cables with the changer you order. they almost always come
with all the needed cables and is a simple plug to plug addition when
ordered for your vehicle.

Tom,
This takes us a little off topic from the original question
on the Expedition audio system, but does your wiring diagram
book tell you whether this 12 pin connector for the CD changer
is included in all Explorers even if they were not originally equipped
with the CD changer. The reason I wonder is because my 97
Explorer's AM/FM/Cass radio has all of the controls for the CD
changer on it, but being an XLT ( without the 945 package ) it
only has the standard center console in it. When you get the
CD changer as an installed option from Ford, you have to order
an Explorer with the high series floor console ( the one that flows
up under the dash ). Since you can't get the CD changer from
the factory without the high series console, I'm wondering if my
XLT's AM/FM/Cass radio with CD changer controls would have
this cable with the 12 pin connector because I don't have the
"correct" floor console for the factory mounted changer. I've never
taken the console apart to see if the cable and 12 pin connector
is under it, but if it is, it sure would make adding a CD changer to
the Explorer fairly easy.


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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:06:18 +0100
From: ThomasUcen premiereworld.de
Subject: AW: FTE Small - Wipers

Is that the same wiper control switch that was used on the '93 Aerostars? I
have problems with the intermittent wipers setting. Sometimes it works,
sometimes not. Then I have to toggle the switch to activate the wipers. A
lousy construction......

Tom
1993 Aerostar 3.0L

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Joe Merchak wrote:
RE: FTE Small - Wipers

Same thing happen on my 99 Ranger as well as my friends. The wiper control
switch was bad. There is a TSB (Ford says) about it.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Small - Wipers


Can anybody give me some insight to this problem. I have a 97 Ranger with
45,000 miles. For the last 6 months my wipers come on without operating the
wiper switch. Sometimes my washer comes on too. I have intermitent wipers.
Sometimes they come on intermitently sometimes they come on at full setting.
I can stop them by operating the wiper switch. This is not a consistent
problem. Sometimes I go 3-4 days without any problem. When it is raining
and I use my wipers they operate fine. Is my problem the wiper switch or is
it some electronic module somewhere. Do you know if there is a recall by