From: owner-small-list-digest ford-trucks.com (small-list-digest)
To: small-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Subject: small-list-digest V3 #312
Reply-To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Sender: owner-small-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Errors-To: owner-small-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Precedence: bulk


small-list-digest Monday, November 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 312



=======================================================================
Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Ranger, Explorer, Bronco 2 and Aerostar
Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
To unsubscribe, send email to:
majordomo ford-trucks.com
with the words "unsubscribe small-list-digest" in the body of the
message.
=======================================================================
In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Starting Problem (was: Timing Chain)
Re: FTE Small - Add-a-leaf install question
Re: FTE Small - Timing Chain
Re: FTE Small - Timing Chain
Re: FTE Small - Timing Chain
Re: FTE Small - OBD-II
FTE Small - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE Small - Starting Problem/Timing Chain solution
Re: FTE Small - OBD-II

=======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:25:51 -0500
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Starting Problem (was: Timing Chain)

At 11:52 PM 11/27/99 -0600, you wrote:

>We finally got it home this evening and started looking at it. I believe my
>first hunch was wrong. It does not appear to be the timing chain because
>the distributor and everything else is still spinning. I had assumed that
>the tach had a cable like the speedometer.
>
>Other info we have learned is that the coil is getting 11-12 volts, but is
>not putting out any spark. I believe this is because the voltage has to
>fluctuate for there to be any output (please correct me if I am wrong).


One side should have battery voltage, the other side should pulse to ground.


>Tomorrow I will look into David's idea about the Ignition Module. Does
>anyone know if there is a way to test this? My book only gave replacement
>info and I could not find a computer code about it. I assume there must be
>a way to test it.

Some of the better auto parts stores have machines set up on the bench to
test ignition modules.
Ford modules have a habit of burning themselves up. If the module does
test bad, before you install the new one, buy yourself some "heatsink
compound" from radio shack and apply a bit to the metal back of the module
where it mounts. This will help it get rid of heat better and prolong it's
life.
===========================================================
David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
===========================================================

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:16:12 EST
From: Desertroop aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Add-a-leaf install question

I added that add a leaf to my 98 Ranger and it worked. The leaf was added on
the bottom of my other springs.
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:24:20 -0500
From: "Theodore D. Mills"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Timing Chain

I'd check the TFI module.
My 85 Ranger 2.8 did the same thing. It stalled amd would not re-start or
even sound like trying....

The modules are not very expensive. Someone else posted that most parts
stores can test it for you, if not I'd just buy another and replace it. If
that's not it, you'll have a spare.

Spare parts are the surest way I have found to prevent failures!
Every time I've had something go, and I bought 2 replacements because the
parts were inexpensive, I've never had another failure!!!!

I'm not sure, but there may be a special tool to get the old module off the
distributor.
Should be available at the parts store....

Also not sure of the clearances around the dist on the 2.9, you may have to
remove it to get the module off.
On my 2.8 the dist is on the back of the engine (the only ford I've seen
like this) and there is no room to work on it. Infact, the cap & rotor
replacement is a tough job because the cap and rotor go on with screws and
you need a stubby screwdriver and lots of colorful language to do it.
I'm just glad the TFI on my 91 F-250 is on the fender.....


At 17:30 11/27/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>
>My 88 Ranger (2.9L, 110k) stalled today and would not start back up.
>
>When I crank the engine there is no sign that it is trying to start. Also,
>the tach does not move at all while trying to start it.
>
>I am suspecting the timing chain. Are there any other ideas on what would
>cause this? Fuel Pump? Ignition Components? Etc...
>
>If that is it are there any suggestions or helpful tips for the replacement
>procedure?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rick
>
>
>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>
>
Ted
84 Mustang GT (in pieces)
85 Ranger 2WD 2.8L
91 F250 4X4X460
94 Taurus LX wagon 3.8L


== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:32:37 -0500
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Timing Chain

At 11:24 AM 11/28/99 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm not sure, but there may be a special tool to get the old module off the
>distributor.
>Should be available at the parts store....


A special screwdriver that looks like an end wrench and the ends are angled
to get the bits in to the module.


>Also not sure of the clearances around the dist on the 2.9, you may have to
>remove it to get the module off.
>On my 2.8 the dist is on the back of the engine (the only ford I've seen
>like this) and there is no room to work on it. Infact, the cap & rotor
>replacement is a tough job because the cap and rotor go on with screws and
>you need a stubby screwdriver and lots of colorful language to do it.
>I'm just glad the TFI on my 91 F-250 is on the fender.....

Because of heat related failures, Ford has a TFI relocation kit... Moves
the module out of the distributor and onto the firewall or fender.
===========================================================
David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
===========================================================

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:55:29 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Timing Chain

On my 2.9 the distributor at the very back of the engine, right behind the upper
intake manifold. Getting it out to install the MSD unit was tough!!! It appears
the 2.8/2.9 series are very similar..... I had to stand on a chair and crawl on
top of the engine to get it out. There is virtually no clearance back there for
adjustment and tinkering.

Adam

"Theodore D. Mills" wrote:

> Also not sure of the clearances around the dist on the 2.9, you may have to
> remove it to get the module off.
> On my 2.8 the dist is on the back of the engine (the only ford I've seen
> like this) and there is no room to work on it. Infact, the cap & rotor
> replacement is a tough job because the cap and rotor go on with screws and
> you need a stubby screwdriver and lots of colorful language to do it.
> I'm just glad the TFI on my 91 F-250 is on the fender.....

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:45:29 -0500
From: "Satera M. Pollastro"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - OBD-II

What do u mean by saying that u wonder how many "full time students" can
afford a 96 or newer ford, except perhaps, a Ranger with a 4? I think
that is a little judgemental no? If we "full time students" are true ford
fans, we will suffice all else to drive "FORD TOUGH."










On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Christopher J Abele wrote:

>
>
> >I also forgot to mention that if you are a full time student, he takes
> >half off.
>
> Hmmm. . . I'm curious as to how many full time students can afford a 96
> or newer Ford. . . Maybe a Ranger with a 4 but probably not much else. .
> .
>
> Will this scanner work on a Mustang? What all does it read and display?
>
> >===========================================================
> >David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
> >Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> >We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
> >===========================================================
>
> Christopher J. Abele
> 1562 Archwood Lane
> Toledo, OH 43614
> home: (419)382-8581; cell: (419)297-2209
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Get the Internet just the way you want it.
> Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month!
> Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:41:35 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Web site updates

The following tech articles have been added:
- - Engine Rebuild Advice, by Ken Haley
- - Installing a Detroit Locker, by Bob Kennedy
- - Installing A Dick Cepek Series II 6" lift kit, By Bob Kennedy
- - Installing A 1978 F150 Straight Axle On A 1995 F150, By Daren Woods

The following have been added to the pictorial:
1989 F350
1989 F250
1984 F150 XLT
1978 F150 4x4 Custom
1978 F150
1978 F150
1972 F250 Camper Special

Added to the links:
Software by Jimbo - Free Automotive Software

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:31:18 -0600
From: "C R Blanchard"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Starting Problem/Timing Chain solution

Thanks for all the help. The problem has now been solved. It did turn out
to be a faulty Ignition Module. Here is a summary of what was done.

Symptoms:
Engine stalled and would not start or even attempt to fire. Upon further
inspection there was no spark coming out of the coil. It was not a broken
timing chain because the distributor was turning.

Process:
We ended up pulling the distributor because we could not match the socket
size and did not know there was a special tool. The module did fail when it
was tested. We put it all back together with a new one and it fired up
right away.

Suggestions:
We tried two hardware stores including Sears to find a matching socket.
When we finally got to the parts store they asked if we wanted the special
tool and were able to sell us one. If we had the tool in the beginning we
might have been able to do it without pulling the distributor, but it would
have been tight.

We did think ahead and marked the location of all distributor components.
It really would have been a pain if this had not been done.

Thanks Again.

Rick






== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:27:24 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - OBD-II

I'm a full time student at the local college, taking 15 units. At this school,
12 units is considered full time study. I keep busy by working at the local
bank in new accounts approximately 45 to 50 hours per week, getting sundays
off. On sunday's I work on the Baby Bronco, and extract other people from deep
woodsy situations.

It's possible!

Adam

"Satera M. Pollastro" wrote:

> What do u mean by saying that u wonder how many "full time students" can
> afford a 96 or newer ford, except perhaps, a Ranger with a 4? I think
> that is a little judgemental no? If we "full time students" are true ford
> fans, we will suffice all else to drive "FORD TOUGH."
>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Christopher J Abele wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >I also forgot to mention that if you are a full time student, he takes
> > >half off.
> >
> > Hmmm. . . I'm curious as to how many full time students can afford a 96
> > or newer Ford. . . Maybe a Ranger with a 4 but probably not much else. .
> > .
> >
> > Will this scanner work on a Mustang? What all does it read and display?
> >
> > >===========================================================
> > >David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
> > >Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> > >We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
> > >===========================================================
> >
> > Christopher J. Abele
> > 1562 Archwood Lane
> > Toledo, OH 43614
> > home: (419)382-8581; cell: (419)297-2209
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________________
> > Get the Internet just the way you want it.
> > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month!
> > Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.....


To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Registration is free, easy and gives you access to more features.
If you are not registered, click here to register.
If you are already registered, you can login here.

If you are already logged in and are seeing this message, your web browser is blocking session cookies. Change your browser cookie settings to allow session cookies.




Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Jobs

This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.