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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: IMPORTANT USER SURVEY
Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums
Re: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.
FTE Small - Farwell group
RE: FTE Small - fords
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Fuel Pump questions
FTE Small - Thermostats
FTE Small - Overheating, thermostats, etc.
FTE Small - Brown coolant
FTE Small - Voting screen
Re: FTE Small - Farwell group
RE: FTE Small - fords
Re: FTE Small - Overheating, thermostats, etc.
Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums
AW: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.
AW: FTE Small - Brown coolant

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:14:58 -0500
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: IMPORTANT USER SURVEY

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:41:04 -0500
From: "Billy Moore"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums

If by "Premium", they mean lifetime warranty, I would take them back.
"Lifetime warranty" is a great marketing ploy by the brake manufacturers.
They make the friction material so hard that it never wears out, and they
jack up the price because of the warranty. The hard brakes will wear out
your rotor/drum and you'll have to replace drums/rotors with about the same
frequency as you would otherwise replace pads/shoes. And, of course, you
would want to replace the pads/shoes when you replace the drums/rotors, too.
Can you see what a great marketing ploy this is? I use the softest friction
material I can find and just replace them when they wear out. That IS the
part of the system that's designed to wear out and be replaced regularly.

Billy Moore

- -----Original Message-----
From: Adam McLaughlin
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums


>Hi David,
>
>Okay, So this morning I went down to NAPA and got a new set of premium
(39.95)
>brake shoes, adjusting screws, the linkage, springs, the wires and all that
which
>goes inside there. I'm hoping that by replacing everything but the drums
and the
>cylinder in the rear axle that this will last me a few years...
>
>Thanks for the suggestions, I'll jump on it this friday.
>
>Adam
>
>"David A. Cooley" wrote:
>
>> At 09:53 PM 11/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
>> >Yes, I let the emergency brake off. Which direction do I need to turn
the
>> >adjust
>> >back behind the drum to get them to back off?
>>
>> Need to turn it the direction that doesn't want to turn... Have to push
a
>> screwdriver in to move the actuator away from the adjustor so it will
turn
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>> Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:43:15 -0800
From: "Hans Luckoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.

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> Tom, The brownish color of the coolant is probably just rust. Hans
>
> --------
>
> I just changed my coolant. Nice idea of Ford to put a tap on the bottom of
> the radiator. In other cars, I had to remove the lower hose and I always
> ended up with a big mess. The coolant that I drained from the radiator had
a
> brownish color. Could that be traces of burned oil? Is my head gasket
going
> down the drain?
>
> Tom Ucen
> 1993 Aerostar XL 3.0L Extended
> Munich, Germany
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:55:49 PST
From: "Michael Krause"
Subject: FTE Small - Farwell group

Well everyone...it's been a great run but the time has come to let go of my
'91 Explorer. Re-occuring problems and the want for a newer car has led me
to choose a '98 Cobra so I won't be out of the Ford Family. Thanks to
everyone for all the advise and good luck to everyone. Take care all.

Michael Krause

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:49:07 -0600
From: Mike Harms
Subject: RE: FTE Small - fords

Keep in mind that the more cooling generated by the fan is coming at the
price of increased drag on the engine. So there is a trade off. I haven't
done it yet, but from what I have read, those concerned with temperatures on
the rangers usually switch to electric fans. One push and one pull to
increase cooling capability without increasing engine drag.

>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:47:48 -0500
>From: "Alan J. Amberg"
>Subject: FTE Small - fords

>tools at once, but came off. I would recommend getting a heavy duty
>fan, for an extra 10 bucks. The more cooling you have the better it
>is. Both the clutch and fan were Hatden, so they are well known as far
>as building quality parts. Hope the cooling power is still there in
>summer when it really gets hot out on the road.

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:58:47 -0600
From: Mike Harms
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Fuel Pump questions

>But, the reason I am supposed to put this in is to raise the fuel
>pressure in the line, and if it cuts out when the computer thinks it
>could, then I will not get enough fuel in the engine.

One item I haven't seen discussed on this fuel pump upgrade is the engine's
ability to flow fuel. It's possible with a supercharger to still run too
lean even with the biggest baddest fuel pumps.

This is because there is one more mechanical restriction in the way of
getting fuel to the combustion chamber and that is the injectors. Assuming
you have sufficient flow to the injectors, the injectors can still prevent
your engine from achieving optimum performance with the supercharger. I'm
assuming the kit for your truck takes into account the size of the stock
injectors and thus your boost pressure isn't going to be high enough to
cause a lean condition. But, you may want to verify that with the
manufacturer. If this is the 4.0 liter engine you may want to check out
these guys: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vanirtechnologies.com/ They have lots of experience
with the 2.9 and 4.0 liter Ford v-6 motors.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:44:24 -0800
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - Thermostats

I'm trying to figure out whether to replace my thermostat or not, and
would appreciate a brief discussion.

When I bought my Aerostar a couple of years ago, temperature regulation
on the gauge usually seemed pretty even. But after getting my
thermostat replaced (with a "Stant Premium"), the gauge wanders up and
down over a small range every block that I drive in the city, and over a
wider range and slower on the freeway. This makes me nervous, but I've
been told that this is normal action of "modern" thermostats.

If I remember right, people on this list have reported similar gauge
action sometimes regardless of which vehicle they drive.

Should I replace this thermostat with a better one? How about Napa?
Ford OEM? What's going on?

Richard


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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:22:03 -0800
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - Overheating, thermostats, etc.

Steve Bozzone wrote ------------------

Richard:

When your head gaskets went.. how did you know? Did the engine stop
running, wouldn't start, etc.?

Me ---------------------------------------------------------

There were sort of three "events."

1. During a period of many months, my coolant had rust in it. Despite
periodic flushes, the rust would return almost instantly. The mechanic
told me that it was "engine cancer." I figure that what looked like
rust was gasket material because after the later head job, my coolant
has been clean. I fired this mechanic, anyway (he did good work, but
was ripping me off with cruel and unusual billing).

2. I blew my lower heater hose on the freeway, as described in my last
post. (If your temperature goes up higher than usual while your rear
window becomes progressively darker: stop driving!)

3. After that was fixed by aforementioned mechanic, I drove away and
barely made it home. The engine was missing, temperature would rise
very quickly while driving; this time it got close to the red mark on
the gauge. I limped the thing home.

Parked in my driveway, when I'd run the engine, water droplets would
drip from the tailpipe (engine still quite cold). The car is parked on a
downhill slope, rear-end-down. Engine would run rough enough to
indicate trouble. I lost some coolant from the reservoir, too. Then I
had the heads done. Since I had bought the Aerostar as a used vehicle
less than a year before, I had additional work done: new belts,
thermostat, water pump, ignition parts, heads rebuilt as neccessary,
gaskets all over the thing, etc. The heads were still essentially in
good condition.

- -----------------------------------------------------------------

I had two Hondas, a brand famous for head gasket trouble. In the first,
it would overheat and need a cool-down and water added; ran ok
nonetheless. In the second, newer one, it went through the first
routine, and then finally emitted big clouds of steam. At that point,
it
ran real rough from water in the cylinders. I then swore off Hondas.

Back to the repair of my Aerostar 3.0, the mechanics who did the head
gaskets used a Felpro Premium gasket set. They said that my head
gaskets should now last indefinitely, the Felpro product being vastly
superior to Ford's OEM gaskets. I believe this.

My cooling system troubles were compounded by having a leaking heater
core when I bought the vehicle. I just couldn't understand why I had to
keep wiping a film off the inside of the windshield.

What kind of vehicle do you own? Do you think you are having head
gasket problems, too?

Richard


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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:59:17 -0800
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - Brown coolant

Tom Ucen wrote ------------------------------------------------

I just changed my coolant. Nice idea of Ford to put a tap on the bottom
of
the radiator. In other cars, I had to remove the lower hose and I
always
ended up with a big mess.

Richard----------------------------------
I expect that every vehicle would be provided with drain plugs by the
manufacturer. This would include radiator, transmission/torque
converter, rear end, power steering, etc. That's how cars used to be
made. I think we have a right to maintainable vehicles, rather than the
mfrs shaving off every penny of profit at our great expense. Or do we
have to get laws passed requiring grease fittings and drain plugs?

Tom -----------------------------------------------------------
The coolant that I drained from the radiator had a
brownish color. Could that be traces of burned oil? Is my head gasket
going down the drain?

Richard -------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately, I think that's what's going on. Brown coolant preceeded
my head gasket job. And after my head gaskets were replaced, the
coolant has been the right color. I think that it would be a good idea
to use the best possible gaskets. Since my friend had to replace head
gaskets twice on his 3.0, the ability of these parts to survive normal
use is very critical on these engines. The theory I've heard is that
the dissimilar metals on either side of the gasket expand and contract
at different rates, actually "scrubbing" the gaskets, wearing them down.

Note, too, that these engines use "disposable" head bolts. You torque
them once, and that's it. You use new ones when you remove the heads.
Again, I wonder. If the gaskets pack down or scrub down, and you can't
tighten the bolts to compensate, doesn't this mean that the whole mess
will get loose and leak? Am I missing something here?

Richard

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:21:10 -0800
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - Voting screen

Steve Bozzone wrote --------------------
Subject: Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: IMPORTANT USER SURVEY

It's hard to make out, but there are little radio buttons to the left
of the vehicle names. Be sure to choose one of those before you click
the submit button.

Me -------------------------------

Thanks.
It worked this time. I run my screen fairly dark, so the black-on-blue
wasn't visible until I turned up the gain.

Richard


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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:02:28 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Farwell group

At 11:55 AM 11/15/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Well everyone...it's been a great run but the time has come to let go of
>my '91 Explorer. Re-occuring problems and the want for a newer car has
>led me to choose a '98 Cobra so I won't be out of the Ford Family. Thanks
>to everyone for all the advise and good luck to everyone. Take care all.


Michael,
Are you aware of the problems with the 98 cobra?
Ford is in the middle of a MAJOR class action lawsuit because the 98 cobra
only had 260 HP... it was advertised as 320... Ford screwed up and dropped
standard mustang GT engines into them.
They will only repair (by adding bolt ons ruining your chances to bump the
HP more) for the original owner, not a 2nd owner. 98 cobras are junk!


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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:10:30 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - fords

At 02:49 PM 11/15/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Keep in mind that the more cooling generated by the fan is coming at the
>price of increased drag on the engine. So there is a trade off. I haven't
>done it yet, but from what I have read, those concerned with temperatures on
>the rangers usually switch to electric fans. One push and one pull to
>increase cooling capability without increasing engine drag.


Well,
You don't get something for nothing...
The power the fans pull is actually more than a mechanical fan (water pump
driven) would require from the engine... When the electrics kick on, the
alternator loads the engine down and takes the same energy. Plus, you blow
a fuse or lose a relay and you replace headgaskets (At least!) when it
overheats! (Voice of experience... went back to a mechanical fan with a
good thermal clutch!)

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Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:05:07 -0500
From: Steve Bozzone
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Overheating, thermostats, etc.

Richard:

I have an 88 Bronco II (auto,ac-not working,4x4,eddie bauer) which just
passed 100k last week.

I originally had problems with a clogged thermostat.. overheated the
baby very badly.. took 4 hours to get him 20 miles. Coolant spewed all
over the place and it was steaming very badly.

Took it to the mechanic, new thermostat. My BII had been running HOT
every since I had it (by the N) now it rides below 50%. No overheating
problems since the new thermostat.

I ask because i was told that white smoke out of the exhaust may be an
indicator of a blown head gasket, which I do experience. My coolant is
brown.. I have yet to change it.

The truck runs fine, but I'm worried of a silent killer working in the
dark.

I'm planning on new belts, wires and plugs very soon.

Thanks for your experience tales.. although I would reconsider your
honda situation.. I have two accords (90&94) in the family and they
couldn't be more reliable. The service is unbelievable as well. We're
looking into a CR-V to replace the older (90) accord because it burns
oil and is not in great shape (my mother was very careless and didn't
fix problems when she should have.. went about 20,000 miles without an
oil change).

- -Steve

rgstein pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Steve Bozzone wrote ------------------
>
> Richard:
>
> When your head gaskets went.. how did you know? Did the engine stop
> running, wouldn't start, etc.?
>
> Me ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> There were sort of three "events."
>
> 1. During a period of many months, my coolant had rust in it. Despite
> periodic flushes, the rust would return almost instantly. The mechanic
> told me that it was "engine cancer." I figure that what looked like
> rust was gasket material because after the later head job, my coolant
> has been clean. I fired this mechanic, anyway (he did good work, but
> was ripping me off with cruel and unusual billing).
>
> 2. I blew my lower heater hose on the freeway, as described in my last
> post. (If your temperature goes up higher than usual while your rear
> window becomes progressively darker: stop driving!)
>
> 3. After that was fixed by aforementioned mechanic, I drove away and
> barely made it home. The engine was missing, temperature would rise
> very quickly while driving; this time it got close to the red mark on
> the gauge. I limped the thing home.
>
> Parked in my driveway, when I'd run the engine, water droplets would
> drip from the tailpipe (engine still quite cold). The car is parked on a
> downhill slope, rear-end-down. Engine would run rough enough to
> indicate trouble. I lost some coolant from the reservoir, too. Then I
> had the heads done. Since I had bought the Aerostar as a used vehicle
> less than a year before, I had additional work done: new belts,
> thermostat, water pump, ignition parts, heads rebuilt as neccessary,
> gaskets all over the thing, etc. The heads were still essentially in
> good condition.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I had two Hondas, a brand famous for head gasket trouble. In the first,
> it would overheat and need a cool-down and water added; ran ok
> nonetheless. In the second, newer one, it went through the first
> routine, and then finally emitted big clouds of steam. At that point,
> it
> ran real rough from water in the cylinders. I then swore off Hondas.
>
> Back to the repair of my Aerostar 3.0, the mechanics who did the head
> gaskets used a Felpro Premium gasket set. They said that my head
> gaskets should now last indefinitely, the Felpro product being vastly
> superior to Ford's OEM gaskets. I believe this.
>
> My cooling system troubles were compounded by having a leaking heater
> core when I bought the vehicle. I just couldn't understand why I had to
> keep wiping a film off the inside of the windshield.
>
> What kind of vehicle do you own? Do you think you are having head
> gasket problems, too?
>
> Richard
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:17:38 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums

Wow! At Napa, Premium does not mean lifetime warranty. It was just the best that
they had. So, I got it thinking that I was getting a higher performance brake..

I did put some performance friction carbon metallic on my front rotors and after
driving on them for 1k miles, I notice two things:

a. very little black dust
b.very quick stopping power.

The rotors seem to be unaffected as of now. No scoring etc. I use steel brake
lines all of the way through, and new calipers too..

I'll know more as time goes on.

Adam

Billy Moore wrote:

> If by "Premium", they mean lifetime warranty, I would take them back.
> "Lifetime warranty" is a great marketing ploy by the brake manufacturers.
> They make the friction material so hard that it never wears out, and they
> jack up the price because of the warranty. The hard brakes will wear out
> your rotor/drum and you'll have to replace drums/rotors with about the same
> frequency as you would otherwise replace pads/shoes. And, of course, you
> would want to replace the pads/shoes when you replace the drums/rotors, too.
> Can you see what a great marketing ploy this is? I use the softest friction
> material I can find and just replace them when they wear out. That IS the
> part of the system that's designed to wear out and be replaced regularly.
>
> Billy Moore
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:14:24 +0100
From: ThomasUcen premiereworld.de
Subject: AW: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.

Thanks, this makes me feel much better :-)

Tom


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> Tom, The brownish color of the coolant is probably just rust. Hans
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:28:45 +0100
From: ThomasUcen premiereworld.de
Subject: AW: FTE Small - Brown coolant

I am quite sure that the previous owner(s) of my car did not change anything
(except oil)and I did it for the first time, so after more than six years, I
drained the original coolant. I'll now check the coolant's color
periodically. But as Hans pointed out, it may also have been accumulated
rust.
Should there be a gasket problem, my next question to the group will be:
what's the easiest way to get the engine out....?

Tom Ucen
1993 Aerostar 3.0L....


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