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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience
FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.
FTE Small - ADMIN: IMPORTANT USER SURVEY
Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Fuel Pump questions
Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience
Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: IMPORTANT USER SURVEY
Re: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.
Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience
Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums
FTE Small - fords
Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience
Re: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.
Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience
Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience
Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience
FTE Small - Mustang Question
Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience
AW: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:06:08 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience

Hmm... Speaking of thermostats, my friend Dan Olson just lost his. His 2.9 is
the 1989 with 215K miles, and no oil change in 3 years/ 60 thousand miles....

Cost $4.49 with gasket at Napa auto parts.....

Adam

Wesley Murphy wrote:

> Over the past couple of days the temperature gauge in my 91 Explorer has
> slowly been rising above normal. The temperature gauge normally never made
> it to the letter "N" in "normal" but yesterday and the day before it had
> consistently been staying at the 12 o'clock position over short trips. Then
> today, after about 4 miles, the temperature reached the "L" in normal and
> would have probably continued to rise had I not stopped to let it cool down.
> Back at the house, I drained all of the antifreeze out of the system hoping
> that it was clogged with dirt and would be an easy fix. About 2 gallons of
> antifreeze was drained out but, however, only 1 gallon would go back in
> after the system was flushed. I determined that the thermostat was stuck
> after turning to the heat to maximum and found that only cold air would flow
> even when the engine had warmed up.
>
> Not wanting to tackle the job of the thermostat, I attempted to drive it to
> a local service station but made the sad mistake of leaving the heat on.
> This caused the engine to heat up bad enough to rattle slightly and boil the
> water. I immediately pulled over and had it towed the rest of the way.
> After replacing the thermostat, it is running cool again and seems to be
> fine after the overheating experience.
>
> Lessons Learned: Although the gauge may say "Normal", anything above what
> the vehicle temperature usually runs should be looked at immediately. I
> also believe/hope that this problem was the culprit of the loss of water in
> the system and the extremely rough idling. These must be unbelievable
> engines. To run as cool as it did without getting any coolant amazed me. I
> just hope that I didn't do any long term damage.
>
> Wesley Murphy
> Pine Knot, Kentucky
> 91 Eddie Bauer Explorer
>
> > So, what are your experiences with your 4.0s? Are they as reliable and
> > dependable as the 2.9s?
> >
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:51:25 -0800
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.

Wesley Murphy wrote --(Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience)

Over the past couple of days the temperature gauge in my 91 Explorer has
slowly been rising above normal. The temperature gauge normally never
made
it to the letter "N" in "normal" but yesterday and the day before it had
consistently been staying at the 12 o'clock position over short trips.


I determined that the thermostat was stuck
after turning to the heat to maximum and found that only cold air would
flow
even when the engine had warmed up.

Me -------------------------------------------------

To me, this would indicate that I'd already lost water from the system;
that the water level in engine and radiator is already too low: STOP.
Not a thermostat issue.


Wesley ----------------------------------------------
made the sad mistake of leaving the heat on.
This caused the engine to heat up bad enough to rattle slightly and boil
the
water.

Me --------------------------------------------------
I doubt the heater had anything to do with it, unless you were leaking
coolant from the heater core or heater exit hose.

Wesley ----------------------------------------------

Lessons Learned: Although the gauge may say "Normal", anything above
what
the vehicle temperature usually runs should be looked at immediately.

Me --------------------------------------------------

Absolutely!
And, especially if the temp goes way up on the gauge, and then drops
down. This would indicate that we'd overheated, then blown enough water
out so that the thermal sensor was now "dry:" and that we're now frying
the motor. Or, a sticky thermostat. Either way, makes me nervous.

A year ago, this happened to me in my '92 Aerostar, 3.0, on the
freeway. Turned out that I'd blown my lower radiator hose. I couldn't
figure out why the view out my back window was getting darker. My temp
gauge never got into the red, since enough coolant had blown from the
system before the gauge got there. This event finished off my head
gaskets (which had been decomposing into the coolant anyway).

$2,300 later, my temp gauge wanders a lot between about 1/4 and 3/8
scale in normal driving. Lately it gets to around 1/2. I attribute
this to my newer "modern" thermostat, which I'm not crazy about. The
mechanic said it was a "Stant Premium." Frankly, I've never associated
Stant with excellent quality: I intend to replace this thing with a
product I feel more trusting about: perhaps a NAPA or genuine Ford
thermostat.

At any rate, I don't trust the Ford gauge system here. I'm mistrustful
of the quality of Ford's OEM gauges, gauge voltage regulation, sensor,
and perhaps the thermostat itself. Something about my temp gauge's
behavior makes me feel that if it ever reads above half-scale, I'd
better stop and check it out.

- - My mechanic at the time said that he has little faith in a series of
Ford gauge clusters covering a large range of years and models.

- - My friend Gary (who had a Sable and swears he will never buy another
Ford product, having gone through two sets of 3.0 head gaskets in two
years, the famous Ford heater core nightmare, blowing hoses, etc.) feels
that Ford runs their systems quite hot with almost no reserve capacity.
My Honda seemed to have been designed this way, too.

I'm on the fence. My Aero* seems to maintain its cool fairly well,
never going above half-scale. The engine seems to have survived its
overheat ordeal in the long run. It runs through 5Wx oil more than 900
miles/qt, but then again, this is probably normal due to 80,000 miles.
But it still makes me nervous.

I'd appreciate feedback from others on the list about my experience,
too.

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:19:18 -0800
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: IMPORTANT USER SURVEY

I couldn't get the thing to work.
I got "Form Incomplete."

Am I supposed to click on something?
No instructions were visible on my screen.

????

Richard


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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:39:11 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums

At 09:53 PM 11/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Yes, I let the emergency brake off. Which direction do I need to turn the
>adjust
>back behind the drum to get them to back off?

Need to turn it the direction that doesn't want to turn... Have to push a
screwdriver in to move the actuator away from the adjustor so it will turn
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:41:16 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Fuel Pump questions

At 01:36 AM 11/13/99 -0500, you wrote:

>so, one end of the coil to the feeder to the original fuel pump, and the
>other to ground? and i suppose i should use 30 amps as well for the
>other pump for the new fuse, right?

Yep!


>does it make much of a difference which end of a relay is hooked up to
>which? as long as the original->ground goes across the coil, and the
>12V->new pump goes across the switch, i should be alright, right?


Yep.. Not particular about which side of the contacts go where.
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:39:20 -0500
From: Steve Bozzone
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience

I'm not sure if leaving the heat "on" would overheat your engine.. it
draws heat away from the engine, so wouldn't it only help the situation?

When i had overheating problems, keeping the heater on got me farther
down the road.

- -Steve Bozzone

Wesley Murphy wrote:
>
> Over the past couple of days the temperature gauge in my 91 Explorer has
> slowly been rising above normal. The temperature gauge normally never made
> it to the letter "N" in "normal" but yesterday and the day before it had
> consistently been staying at the 12 o'clock position over short trips. Then
> today, after about 4 miles, the temperature reached the "L" in normal and
> would have probably continued to rise had I not stopped to let it cool down.
> Back at the house, I drained all of the antifreeze out of the system hoping
> that it was clogged with dirt and would be an easy fix. About 2 gallons of
> antifreeze was drained out but, however, only 1 gallon would go back in
> after the system was flushed. I determined that the thermostat was stuck
> after turning to the heat to maximum and found that only cold air would flow
> even when the engine had warmed up.
>
> Not wanting to tackle the job of the thermostat, I attempted to drive it to
> a local service station but made the sad mistake of leaving the heat on.
> This caused the engine to heat up bad enough to rattle slightly and boil the
> water. I immediately pulled over and had it towed the rest of the way.
> After replacing the thermostat, it is running cool again and seems to be
> fine after the overheating experience.
>
> Lessons Learned: Although the gauge may say "Normal", anything above what
> the vehicle temperature usually runs should be looked at immediately. I
> also believe/hope that this problem was the culprit of the loss of water in
> the system and the extremely rough idling. These must be unbelievable
> engines. To run as cool as it did without getting any coolant amazed me. I
> just hope that I didn't do any long term damage.
>
> Wesley Murphy
> Pine Knot, Kentucky
> 91 Eddie Bauer Explorer
>
> > So, what are your experiences with your 4.0s? Are they as reliable and
> > dependable as the 2.9s?
> >
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:42:27 -0500
From: Steve Bozzone
Subject: Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: IMPORTANT USER SURVEY

It's hard to make out, but there are little radio buttons to the left
of the vehicle names. Be sure to choose one of those before you click
the submit button.

- -steve

rgstein pacbell.net wrote:
>
> I couldn't get the thing to work.
> I got "Form Incomplete."
>
> Am I supposed to click on something?
> No instructions were visible on my screen.
>
> ????
>
> Richard
>
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ICQ: 196843 || AIM: RudeSkam69
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:46:07 -0500
From: Steve Bozzone
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.

Richard:

When your head gaskets went.. how did you know? Did the engine stop
running, wouldn't start, etc.?

- -Steve

rgstein pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Wesley Murphy wrote --(Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience)
>
> Over the past couple of days the temperature gauge in my 91 Explorer has
> slowly been rising above normal. The temperature gauge normally never
> made
> it to the letter "N" in "normal" but yesterday and the day before it had
> consistently been staying at the 12 o'clock position over short trips.
>
>
> I determined that the thermostat was stuck
> after turning to the heat to maximum and found that only cold air would
> flow
> even when the engine had warmed up.
>
> Me -------------------------------------------------
>
> To me, this would indicate that I'd already lost water from the system;
> that the water level in engine and radiator is already too low: STOP.
> Not a thermostat issue.
>
> Wesley ----------------------------------------------
> made the sad mistake of leaving the heat on.
> This caused the engine to heat up bad enough to rattle slightly and boil
> the
> water.
>
> Me --------------------------------------------------
> I doubt the heater had anything to do with it, unless you were leaking
> coolant from the heater core or heater exit hose.
>
> Wesley ----------------------------------------------
>
> Lessons Learned: Although the gauge may say "Normal", anything above
> what
> the vehicle temperature usually runs should be looked at immediately.
>
> Me --------------------------------------------------
>
> Absolutely!
> And, especially if the temp goes way up on the gauge, and then drops
> down. This would indicate that we'd overheated, then blown enough water
> out so that the thermal sensor was now "dry:" and that we're now frying
> the motor. Or, a sticky thermostat. Either way, makes me nervous.
>
> A year ago, this happened to me in my '92 Aerostar, 3.0, on the
> freeway. Turned out that I'd blown my lower radiator hose. I couldn't
> figure out why the view out my back window was getting darker. My temp
> gauge never got into the red, since enough coolant had blown from the
> system before the gauge got there. This event finished off my head
> gaskets (which had been decomposing into the coolant anyway).
>
> $2,300 later, my temp gauge wanders a lot between about 1/4 and 3/8
> scale in normal driving. Lately it gets to around 1/2. I attribute
> this to my newer "modern" thermostat, which I'm not crazy about. The
> mechanic said it was a "Stant Premium." Frankly, I've never associated
> Stant with excellent quality: I intend to replace this thing with a
> product I feel more trusting about: perhaps a NAPA or genuine Ford
> thermostat.
>
> At any rate, I don't trust the Ford gauge system here. I'm mistrustful
> of the quality of Ford's OEM gauges, gauge voltage regulation, sensor,
> and perhaps the thermostat itself. Something about my temp gauge's
> behavior makes me feel that if it ever reads above half-scale, I'd
> better stop and check it out.
>
> - My mechanic at the time said that he has little faith in a series of
> Ford gauge clusters covering a large range of years and models.
>
> - My friend Gary (who had a Sable and swears he will never buy another
> Ford product, having gone through two sets of 3.0 head gaskets in two
> years, the famous Ford heater core nightmare, blowing hoses, etc.) feels
> that Ford runs their systems quite hot with almost no reserve capacity.
> My Honda seemed to have been designed this way, too.
>
> I'm on the fence. My Aero* seems to maintain its cool fairly well,
> never going above half-scale. The engine seems to have survived its
> overheat ordeal in the long run. It runs through 5Wx oil more than 900
> miles/qt, but then again, this is probably normal due to 80,000 miles.
> But it still makes me nervous.
>
> I'd appreciate feedback from others on the list about my experience,
> too.
>
> Richard
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:46:44 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience

At 05:39 PM 11/14/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Wesley Murphy wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not wanting to tackle the job of the thermostat, I attempted to drive it to
> > a local service station but made the sad mistake of leaving the heat on.
> > This caused the engine to heat up bad enough to rattle slightly and
> boil the
> > water. I immediately pulled over and had it towed the rest of the way.
> > After replacing the thermostat, it is running cool again and seems to be
> > fine after the overheating experience.
> >
> > Lessons Learned: Although the gauge may say "Normal", anything above what
> > the vehicle temperature usually runs should be looked at immediately. I
> > also believe/hope that this problem was the culprit of the loss of water in
> > the system and the extremely rough idling. These must be unbelievable
> > engines. To run as cool as it did without getting any coolant amazed
> me. I
> > just hope that I didn't do any long term damage.
> >
> >

Wesley,
Heater on has no way of heating the engine... It allows engine coolant to
run thru the heater core and will allow the engine to run cooler *IF*
coolant is circulating...
saying that it "ran as cool as it did without getting any coolant amazed
me." is really a misnomer. The temp sender is near the thermostat. If
there is an air bubble (which there seems to have been a 1 gallon air
bubble) no hot water get's up there, and the thermostat stays closed, and
the temp sender also see's no hot water, hence the cool reading on the temp
guage.


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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:41:42 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Brake Drums

Hi David,

Okay, So this morning I went down to NAPA and got a new set of premium (39.95)
brake shoes, adjusting screws, the linkage, springs, the wires and all that which
goes inside there. I'm hoping that by replacing everything but the drums and the
cylinder in the rear axle that this will last me a few years...

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll jump on it this friday.

Adam

"David A. Cooley" wrote:

> At 09:53 PM 11/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >Yes, I let the emergency brake off. Which direction do I need to turn the
> >adjust
> >back behind the drum to get them to back off?
>
> Need to turn it the direction that doesn't want to turn... Have to push a
> screwdriver in to move the actuator away from the adjustor so it will turn
> ===========================================================
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> Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they didn't?!
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:47:48 -0500
From: "Alan J. Amberg"
Subject: FTE Small - fords

I have a 87 Bronco II I have 126K on it . I recently had the
thermostat changed, radiator drained etc. It is running great. I had
it in for exhaust system work. The mechanic said that I should change
the fan clutch and fan. It was not loose like it should be. It was
robbing me of horse power. Went to good old Pep Boys, got a new fan
clutch, 34.00 and a heavy duty fan 35.00, so I put it in made a big
difference in the pick up. Seemed like it picked up some power. I had
the chiltons manual and made sure that I had everything ready to go.
The main bolt that holds the fan in is left turn, meaning that you turn
clockwise to loosen. It was a little stiff and hard to work with two
tools at once, but came off. I would recommend getting a heavy duty
fan, for an extra 10 bucks. The more cooling you have the better it
is. Both the clutch and fan were Hatden, so they are well known as far
as building quality parts. Hope the cooling power is still there in
summer when it really gets hot out on the road.

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:36:55 -0500
From: George Kowal
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience

Adam McLaughlin wrote:
Hmm... Speaking of thermostats, my friend Dan Olson just lost his. His 2.9 is
the 1989 with 215K miles, and no oil change in 3 years/ 60 thousand miles....
Cost $4.49 with gasket at Napa auto parts.....
Adam
Wesley Murphy wrote:
> Over the past couple of days the temperature gauge in my 91 Explorer has
> slowly been rising above normal. The temperature gauge normally never made
> it to the letter "N" in "normal" but yesterday and the day before it had
> consistently been staying at the 12 o'clock position over short trips.
> Wesley Murphy
> Pine Knot, Kentucky
> 91 Eddie Bauer Explorer

> > So, what are your experiences with your 4.0s? Are they as reliable and

I have a 94 Explorer, 4.0 with about 180,000 miles on it.
Noticed that it never seemed to warm up fully in cold weather.
Changed the thermostat myself with a Stant, which also needs a round grooved
rubber gasket
that circles the thermostat. Runs fine now, and stays in the normal spot on the
temp gauge.
It was very tricky changing the thermostat only because of a small working area
around the
thermostat housing. I think its 3 10mm screws, but I probably needed and used 4 or
5 different
wrenches on it, ratchet, flexible joint, open end/box end, etc. Just because its a
tight area to get a wrench into.

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:09:31 -0500
From: Wesley Murphy
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.

Someone should get out the "Ignorant" stamp and slap me on the forehead.
All of us have moments in our lives where we stop thinking, but some of us
have extended periods of blackouts. :)

My reasoning behind the statement that the engine was running hotter with
the heat on comes from and observance I made when I first bought the
vehicle. On a cold morning, with the heat full blast, I noticed that the
temperature gauge was standing at the twelve o'clock position. After
turning the heat selector down a bit, the temperature went down. It did the
same thing the next morning and I assumed this was a feature of the heating
system allowing it to heat up quickly. At the time I thought to myself,
"Gee, my old Nissan pickup didn't have that hi-tech feature," and I guess it
didn't for good reason. It was evidently a sign that I missed of something
amiss in the cooling system.

After about 200 miles, I don't see any apparent damage. It is not burning
oil, there is no water in the oil or visa versa, nor is there a loss in
horsepower. The 4.0 engines must be pretty strong to take abuse like that.
To make myself feel better, I had the idea that I would swap in a big Ford
crate engine *evil grin* if I did have the bad luck of locking the engine
up.

Wesley Murphy
91 Eddie Bauer
Pine Knot, Kentucky

>
> Me --------------------------------------------------
> I doubt the heater had anything to do with it, unless you were leaking
> coolant from the heater core or heater exit hose.
>


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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:06:39 -0600
From: Buck Shoff
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience

(snip alot)
> It was very tricky changing the thermostat only because of a small working area
> around the
> thermostat housing. I think its 3 10mm screws, but I probably needed and used 4 or
> 5 different
> wrenches on it, ratchet, flexible joint, open end/box end, etc. Just because its a
> tight area to get a wrench into.

I find it easier to take off the alternator and bracket. Just remove
the negative battery cable, slip the belt, remove the electrical
conections from the alternator and take off the three bolts that hold
the bracket to the head. The belt idler, tensioner, alt and bracket all
come off as a unit. This only takes about 5 minutes, time I usually
waste searching for those pesky little t-stat housing bolts that I drop
doing it your way. The thermostat housing is now easy to take off and
put on. I'm not trying to criticize you, just suggesting that there is
another way you might want to try the next time.
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:16:56 -0600
From: Buck Shoff
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience

Is there a reaon he didn't change the oil? If he didnt think enough of
the engine to change the oil, why did he bother to change the stat?
Seems somewhat inconsistent to me. Buck Shoff

Adam McLaughlin wrote:
>
> Hmm... Speaking of thermostats, my friend Dan Olson just lost his. His 2.9 is
> the 1989 with 215K miles, and no oil change in 3 years/ 60 thousand miles....


> Adam
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:59:31 -0500
From: George Kowal
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience

Buck Shoff wrote:

> (snip alot)
> > It was very tricky changing the thermostat only because of a small working area
> > around the
> > thermostat housing. I think its 3 10mm screws, but I probably needed and used 4 or
> > 5 different
> > wrenches on it, ratchet, flexible joint, open end/box end, etc. Just because its a
> > tight area to get a wrench into.
>
> I find it easier to take off the alternator and bracket. Just remove
> the negative battery cable, slip the belt, remove the electrical
> conections from the alternator and take off the three bolts that hold
> the bracket to the head. The belt idler, tensioner, alt and bracket all
> come off as a unit. This only takes about 5 minutes, time I usually
> waste searching for those pesky little t-stat housing bolts that I drop
> doing it your way. The thermostat housing is now easy to take off and
> put on. I'm not trying to criticize you, just suggesting that there is
> another way you might want to try the next time.
> Buck Shoff
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I was thinking about this since I had the alternator off about a week earlier.
It was the original, and it's time, and rear bearing, had come and gone.
On mine, there are 3 long bolts, alternator to block mounting, but I don't
remember the tensioner being a part of this.
And yes, doing it with the alt in place I did drop the thermostat bolts,
a few times at least.

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:06:22 -0500
From: Christopher J Abele
Subject: FTE Small - Mustang Question

I know this is the wrong place to be posting this, however if anyone out
there has a 94-96 Mustang please let me know. I have a couple of
questions because I am considering purchasing one within the next two
months.


Christopher J. Abele

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:01:38 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Reliable Motors/Overheating Experience

He just doen't care. He is having the oil changed, and then adding in some Prolong
to it to stretch it out a little more. He recently lost his U joints in the drive
shafts, then the clutch went, and then the tranny bailed on him. All of that stuff
died between 190K miles and 210 Miles of abuse.

The motor is running strong still.. Which gets me back to my original question. Has
anyone had a 4.0 turn 300K yet?

I crawled under my 2.9 today and checked things out while I was waiting for Pizza.
Still no seepage or oil consumption. I'm using mobile 1 synthetic 10W-30. 166K+
miles...

Adam

Buck Shoff wrote:

> Is there a reaon he didn't change the oil? If he didnt think enough of
> the engine to change the oil, why did he bother to change the stat?
> Seems somewhat inconsistent to me. Buck Shoff

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:05:37 +0100
From: ThomasUcen premiereworld.de
Subject: AW: FTE Small - Overheating, Thermostats, Etc.

Richard wrote:
$2,300 later, my temp gauge wanders a lot between about 1/4 and 3/8
scale in normal driving. Lately it gets to around 1/2. I attribute
this to my newer "modern" thermostat, which I'm not crazy about. The
mechanic said it was a "Stant Premium." Frankly, I've never associated
Stant with excellent quality: I intend to replace this thing with a
product I feel more trusting about: perhaps a NAPA or genuine Ford
thermostat.
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Me:
The temp gauge in my '93 Aerostar wanders sometimes to half position and
back. In summer as well as in winter and not all the time. Otherwise, gauge
position is usually on O or R, even when driving up steep grades fully
loaded in summer. The only vehicle that kept that cold was my old Vangon
camper.

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Richard:
At any rate, I don't trust the Ford gauge system here. I'm mistrustful
of the quality of Ford's OEM gauges, gauge voltage regulation, sensor,
and perhaps the thermostat itself. Something about my temp gauge's
behavior makes me feel that if it ever reads above half-scale, I'd
better stop and check it out.

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Me:
Right. After never having it seen rising above half-scale, I'd get nervous,....


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