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small-list-digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 293



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Ranger, Explorer, Bronco 2 and Aerostar
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In this issue:

FTE Small - RE: "...built on a Ranger chassis."
Re: FTE Small - Re: "...built on a Ranger Chassis"
Re: FTE Small - Re: "...built on a Ranger Chassis"
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
FTE Small - Door Adjar warning
Re: FTE Small - Door Adjar warning
FTE Small - ADMIN: (more) New feature for users
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
FTE Small - BII Tranny
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat & cooling advice
RE: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat & cooling advice
Re: FTE Small - BII Tranny
FTE Small - Engine swap from 2.9L
Re: FTE Small - Engine swap from 2.9L
RE: FTE Small - Engine swap from 2.9L
Re: FTE Small - Door Adjar warning

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:34:07 -0600
From: gmv ddc-us.com
Subject: FTE Small - RE: "...built on a Ranger chassis."

David Cooley wrote:
>
>Parked my Explorer nose to nose with a ranger today... Explorer is almost
>a foot wider.
>

This seemed incredible to me, so I checked Explorer and Ranger specs at
carpoint.com, which has data for '00 Explorers and '99 Rangers. Explorers
are 70.2 inches wide, while 4x4 Rangers are 70.3 inches wide. 2WD Rangers
are 69.4 inches wide. The difference in width between the 2WD and 4x4
Rangers is probably due to the fender flares on the 4x4.

Greg Voelker
'98 Ranger 4x4 4 Door 4.0L

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:20:59 -0600
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: "...built on a Ranger Chassis"

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:34:45 -0500, you wrote:

:
:> >Actually, I think the Explorer and the Ranger are built on the same
:> >basic chassis, sharing many structural components -- especially from
:> >the firewall forward.
:>
:>
:> Parked my Explorer nose to nose with a ranger today... Explorer is =
almost
:> a foot wider.
:
:You sure about this? According to Ford the Ranger is 69.3 inches wide =
and
:the Explorer 70.2 inches. These are '98 figures which should be =
identical
:to '99 and '00.
:
:Jim Bielecki
:
Well, that's .9 of an inch difference -- less than an inch. All
they have to do it flare the fenders a little differently, or bulge
some body panel a little differently.

It could all still be built on the same chassis, though.
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:43:01 -0500
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: "...built on a Ranger Chassis"

At 09:20 AM 11/8/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>Well, that's .9 of an inch difference -- less than an inch. All
>they have to do it flare the fenders a little differently, or bulge
>some body panel a little differently.

I guess it may not be a fair comparison on overall width, because my 97 EB
explorer came with fender flares/running boards etc and is a bit wider than
a plain vanilla explorer as well.
Does the Ranger have the option of the 4.0 SOHC V6 or is that only the
explorer?
Make a nice engine swap for a little more oomph if it doesn't!
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:22:59 -0500
From: "Theodore D.Mills"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

At 19:11 11/07/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>I changed my belts, hoses and thermostat on my '84 BII 2.8L today...now it
>over heats. The top radiator hose, bypass hose and about half way up the
>heater hose that connects to the same place ats the top rad. hose get hot.
>the other heater hose and lower radiator hose stay cold.

The thermostat goes in the lower hose on the '84 & '85 2.8's at least.

I thought it was wrong when I saw it too.

The system is air-bound and it won't get primed by itself.

All you need to do is pull the upper hose off and fill the block through
the upper hose. Pour coolant down the upper hose into the block until it's
full. Then reconnect the hose to the radiator and fill it also.

Start the engine and run it till the thermostat opens.
Top off the radiator and fill the recovery tank.

I have no idea why the 2.8 is set up this way, but I spent 12 hours on a
water pump replacement once because of this problem.

I even took the pump back off to be sure I had the right one and hadn't
done something stupid with the gasket or something.

The old fill it and run it till it burps procedure won't work in the 2.8.

Ted Mills N3KWQ

84 Mustang GT 5.0L in pieces
85 Ranger 4X2 2.8L
91 F-250 4X4X460 "The Beast"
94 Taurus LX Wagon 3.8L

Thank You for riding SEPTA

Theodore D. Mills
Transportation Manager
Norristown High Speed Line Route Manager

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 99 10:36:43 -0600
From: "matthew.noffsinger"
Subject: FTE Small - Door Adjar warning

I have a 97 Ranger with power everything. My door adjar warning light on the
instrument cluster is staying on for a minute or two after the truck is
started (the doors are shut completely). I've also noticed that the dome
light seems to be staying on slightly longer (this has been happening for the
past 3 or 4 days). I wrote in a couple weeks ago & got a few suggestions
about lubricating the switch in the door jambs that turns the dome light on
and off. My Ranger does not have this though. I can't find this switch
anywhere (I know what they look like because my parents own a Crown Vic & a
F-150 with these switches). Does anyone have anymore suggestions, hidden
switches built into the door latch maybe? My warranty runs out the first week
of December 99, so I need to get this fixed asap. I haven't had time to take
it to a Ford dealer either.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:10:49 -0500
From: "Laura D. Wheeler"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Door Adjar warning

I also wrote a couple of weeks ago, i have the same problem on my 97
ranger. help!



On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, matthew.noffsinger wrote:
> I have a 97 Ranger with power everything. My door adjar warning light on the
> instrument cluster is staying on for a minute or two after the truck is
> started (the doors are shut completely). I've also noticed that the dome
> light seems to be staying on slightly longer (this has been happening for the
> past 3 or 4 days). I wrote in a couple weeks ago & got a few suggestions
> about lubricating the switch in the door jambs that turns the dome light on
> and off. My Ranger does not have this though. I can't find this switch
> anywhere (I know what they look like because my parents own a Crown Vic & a
> F-150 with these switches). Does anyone have anymore suggestions, hidden
> switches built into the door latch maybe? My warranty runs out the first week
> of December 99, so I need to get this fixed asap. I haven't had time to take
> it to a Ford dealer either.
> Matt
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:41:43 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: (more) New feature for users

Just a word of caution on the top sites feature, all
IP addresses are logged. Double votes will be removed
weekly to foil cheaters.

Ken Payne
Admin



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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:28:58 -0500
From: "4xFord"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

I tried this when I got home, and it worked. I think thermostat must have
finally opened after I shut it down last night, because there was some
coolent in the block, and the radiator was about 5 inches low. but I took
the top hose off, filled it with as much as it would take, then topped of
the radiator, and ran it for about a half hour...never got past the M in
NORM (doesn't have the al from Normal and the M is on the low end) on the
guage. know I know for next time....I didn't want to have to take it apart
again. This is the stangest set up I've seen for a coolant system...hoses
all over the place, and nothing where it belongs...again, thanks a bunch!!

Bryce
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From: Theodore D.Mills
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Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat



> The thermostat goes in the lower hose on the '84 & '85 2.8's at least.
>
> I thought it was wrong when I saw it too.
>
> The system is air-bound and it won't get primed by itself.
>
> All you need to do is pull the upper hose off and fill the block through
> the upper hose. Pour coolant down the upper hose into the block until
it's
> full. Then reconnect the hose to the radiator and fill it also.
>
> Start the engine and run it till the thermostat opens.
> Top off the radiator and fill the recovery tank.
>
> I have no idea why the 2.8 is set up this way, but I spent 12 hours on a
> water pump replacement once because of this problem.
>
> I even took the pump back off to be sure I had the right one and hadn't
> done something stupid with the gasket or something.
>
> The old fill it and run it till it burps procedure won't work in the 2.8.
>
> Ted Mills N3KWQ


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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:05:40 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: FTE Small - BII Tranny

Hey all. The tranny in my '88 BII died this week. I'm eventually going to
put a 302 in it, but I can't find a conversion kit that keeps the AO4LD
tranny (that's what's in there now). I was looking on the Advance Adapters
webpage and they recommend the C4 or C5 transmission when putting a 5.0 in a
BII. I was wondering if the C4 or C5 transmissions work with the 2.9, as
I'm not quite ready to do the swap.
Any input is appreciated!
Thanks!

JC
'88 BII XLT
10k tow hooks
40ch CB
Removed airbox
K&N
Light bar
Headlight Stone Guards
30x9.5 BFG A/T TA KOs
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 07:11:16 -0500
From: Wesley Murphy
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat & cooling advice

You may need to check your coolant level again. After a cooling system is
flushed, it is possible for air to get trapped in the passageways when new
coolant is added. After you start the vehicle up, the air come to the top,
showing the actual level of coolant.

On another account, it seems that I cannot keep coolant in my Explorer past
a certain point. If I fill up the reservoir and top of the radiator it just
burps it out until the level reaches about an inch and a half below the neck
of the radiator. I see no visible signs of a leak and am assuming this is
normal operation since it doesn't appear to be running hot. Am I correct in
my reasoning or am I condoning engine failure in the future?

Wesley Murphy
91 Eddie Bauer Explorer
Pine Knot, Kentucky



> So...did I get slipped a bad thermostat??? or did I put it in wrong?? Do I
> have the wrong one?? I put it in the lower thermostat housing (the one
that
> the lower hose hooks up to) and don't have one in the top (who designed
this
> anyways???? ;) ...I put it in the way that I whould have put it in if it
was
> on top, with the side that said "To Rad." on the side that goes to the
> radiator. I don't thing it whould have fit the other way either. Does it
> need to go the other direction since it would be flowing backwards through
> it in this position?


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:23:22 -0500
From: "Joe Merchak"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat & cooling advice

Your to check the level in the expansion tank, not the radiator.

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[mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Wesley Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 7:11 AM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat & cooling advice


You may need to check your coolant level again. After a cooling system is
flushed, it is possible for air to get trapped in the passageways when new
coolant is added. After you start the vehicle up, the air come to the top,
showing the actual level of coolant.

On another account, it seems that I cannot keep coolant in my Explorer past
a certain point. If I fill up the reservoir and top of the radiator it just
burps it out until the level reaches about an inch and a half below the neck
of the radiator. I see no visible signs of a leak and am assuming this is
normal operation since it doesn't appear to be running hot. Am I correct in
my reasoning or am I condoning engine failure in the future?

Wesley Murphy
91 Eddie Bauer Explorer
Pine Knot, Kentucky



> So...did I get slipped a bad thermostat??? or did I put it in wrong?? Do I
> have the wrong one?? I put it in the lower thermostat housing (the one
that
> the lower hose hooks up to) and don't have one in the top (who designed
this
> anyways???? ;) ...I put it in the way that I whould have put it in if it
was
> on top, with the side that said "To Rad." on the side that goes to the
> radiator. I don't thing it whould have fit the other way either. Does it
> need to go the other direction since it would be flowing backwards through
> it in this position?


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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:30:48 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - BII Tranny

At 10:05 PM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey all. The tranny in my '88 BII died this week. I'm eventually going to
>put a 302 in it, but I can't find a conversion kit that keeps the AO4LD
>tranny (that's what's in there now). I was looking on the Advance Adapters
>webpage and they recommend the C4 or C5 transmission when putting a 5.0 in a
>BII. I was wondering if the C4 or C5 transmissions work with the 2.9, as
>I'm not quite ready to do the swap.
>Any input is appreciated!


Your best bet is to put a 4R70W in... Heavy duty, wide ratio gearset. Only
problem is I don't know if the bellhousing will mate to the 2.9.

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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:06:13 EST
From: "Joe Scott"
Subject: FTE Small - Engine swap from 2.9L

OK guys, I heard something today from a guy I work with about swapping the
2.9L in an 88 BII to a 302 V-8 with the proper kit. I had been looking to
make the move to a 4.0L but have yet to get the stuff together. Does anyone
know of, or own a truck with this swap?
What other pieces need to be changed as well? It seems to me that the front
end would need to be beefed up due to the increase in weight, and the
radiator capacity would need a boost as well. I can just picture my mostly
stock BII with that kind of power. Just don't tell the insurance company...
Where can I get more info?

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:35:15 -0800
From: "Tom Ewing"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Engine swap from 2.9L

Joe. You might want to check out www.ford ranger. com. They have a section
for 5liter rangers as I recall.
Tom

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From: Joe Scott


> OK guys, I heard something today from a guy I work with about swapping the
> 2.9L in an 88 BII to a 302 V-8 with the proper kit. I had been looking to
> make the move to a 4.0L but have yet to get the stuff together. Does
anyone


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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 01:24:32 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Engine swap from 2.9L

>Where can I get more info?

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.advanceadapters.com/
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 01:54:13 -0500
From: George Kowal
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Door Adjar warning

"matthew.noffsinger" wrote:

> I have a 97 Ranger with power everything. My door adjar warning light on the
> instrument cluster is staying on for a minute or two after the truck is
> started (the doors are shut completely). I've also noticed that the dome
> light seems to be staying on slightly longer (this has been happening for the
> past 3 or 4 days). I wrote in a couple weeks ago & got a few suggestions
> about lubricating the switch in the door jambs that turns the dome light on
> and off. My Ranger does not have this though. I can't find this switch
> anywhere (I know what they look like because my parents own a Crown Vic & a
> F-150 with these switches). Does anyone have anymore suggestions, hidden
....


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