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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: TRIM REPLIES {THANKS} !!!
FTE Small - 89 Aerostar
Re: FTE Small - 89 Aerostar
Re: FTE Small - 89 Aerostar
FTE Small - ford
Re: FTE Small - ford
FTE Small - setting the timing on a 2.8L
FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
Re: FTE Small - "...built on a Ranger chassis."
FTE Small - Re: "...built on a Ranger Chassis"
Re: FTE Small - Re: "...built on a Ranger Chassis"
FTE Small - ADMIN: New feature for users
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat
Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 08:40:07 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: TRIM REPLIES {THANKS} !!!

At 05:31 AM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:54:43 -0800
>From: "Keith Christensen"
>Subject: Re: FTE Small - ADMIN: TRIM REPLIES {THANKS} !!!

- -snip-

>Trimming replies is gonna be even more needed when the HTML posts start
>coming in due to the overhead that adds. I still prefer plain ASCII text,
>but I'm a dinosaur now.

This probably not going to happen because I can't get filters
setup to my satisfaction. I can't seem to totally block virus
attachments without keeping the HTML/MIME out too. We're
probably just going to save up some big bucks to buy a really
high end email server solution.

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:26:50 -0500
From: Tom Kirkbride
Subject: FTE Small - 89 Aerostar

Where is the sensor for the rear gate on my 89 Aerostar that tells the
computer the door is shut. I was in an accident and the door wont shut
all the way. I had to pull the fuse out which shut off a bunch of other
stuff too. I searched and searched but couldnt find anything.
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 11:29:15 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 89 Aerostar

At 09:26 AM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Where is the sensor for the rear gate on my 89 Aerostar that tells the
>computer the door is shut. I was in an accident and the door wont shut
>all the way. I had to pull the fuse out which shut off a bunch of other
>stuff too. I searched and searched but couldnt find anything.


I think it's part of the switch that turns off and on the dome light (it is
on the explorers). That's actually part of the door latch.

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:42:10 -0500
From: George Kowal
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 89 Aerostar

Tom Kirkbride wrote:

> Where is the sensor for the rear gate on my 89 Aerostar that tells the
> computer the door is shut. I was in an accident and the door wont shut
> all the way. I had to pull the fuse out which shut off a bunch of other
> stuff too. I searched and searched but couldnt find anything.
> ___________________________________________________________________

I've worked on this on a 95 Windstar, on that car you remove the interior
panel on the rear door by removing a strap handle then pulling the trim off.

The switches, 2 of them, one left one right, ride on the latches. They twist
90 degrees to come off so that you can work on them.
At this point, you can just disconnect the wiring plug, which will keep the
lights off for that door.

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 16:40:42 -0500
From: "Alan J. Amberg"
Subject: FTE Small - ford

Hi I would like to respond to person with Bronco II that is having
problem with high revs. I had same problem took to dealer. Because
the revs are high and the engine seems to be missing there is nothing to
do with idle adjustment, the problem is with the EGO or EOG sensor. I
had a tune up, and f injector cleaning, and it was diagnosed with the
sensor being bad. I have 126K on a 87 and still running strong. Just
seems to die and revs go up on tach. I am not sure how much part is,
but can be fixed. I will wait till spring hopefully when I go in for
tune up.

I use 10W 30 oil, and change every 3K miles regardless of
weather. I also use a Fram dual guard filter, with teflon. I use it
ionce a year, cost about 9 bucks, but is worth it. Just use good oil
and filter and will run and run.

The catalytic convertor in the fron with dual heads coming into one
pipe is expensive around 360 for it plus labor putting in. So if there
is anyone out there that will need one because of emissions, hold on
when you find price of it.


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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 17:42:47 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - ford

At 04:40 PM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:

> I use 10W 30 oil, and change every 3K miles regardless of
>weather. I also use a Fram dual guard filter, with teflon. I use it
>ionce a year, cost about 9 bucks, but is worth it. Just use good oil
>and filter and will run and run.


You might want to save yourself some bucks... Frams are no longer rated as
a top of the line filter.
Also, the Teflon is asking for a new engine... Teflon does not dissolve,
and does not "bond" to metal. It accumulates in the oil passages like
cholesterol in the blood stream until your engine dies of oil starvation.
The top rated oil filter is the Mobil 1. Removes the most junk from the
oil with the least restriction to flow, built very well. Price, 7 to 9 dollars.


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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:10:01 -0500
From: "4xFord"
Subject: FTE Small - setting the timing on a 2.8L

I want to check/set the timing on my '84 BII with a 2.8L. I looked at the
pully on teh crank and saw that there are 2 big notches (about an inch
apart) on it with maybe some smaller markings between. and there is a arrow
connected to the block...I asume that I'm supposed to get the pointer to
point at the correct marking on the pully while using my timimg
light...timing is supposed to be at 10deg. BTDC according to the label on
the radiator support.

I guess what my question is "how do I tell when it is at 10deg. BDTC???"
what mark is 10deg. on the pully?? or am I totaly wrong with this thinking.

TIA
Bryce

BTW I have set timing on other vehicles, just never this one.

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:11:19 -0500
From: "4xFord"
Subject: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

I changed my belts, hoses and thermostat on my '84 BII 2.8L today...now it
over heats. The top radiator hose, bypass hose and about half way up the
heater hose that connects to the same place ats the top rad. hose get hot.
the other heater hose and lower radiator hose stay cold.

I know I'm not overheating because of my water pump...it was good before I
put all the new parts on today. I just wanted to put a new thermostat in
because I haven't had this BII for long, and didn't know how old the
thermostat was.

So...did I get slipped a bad thermostat??? or did I put it in wrong?? Do I
have the wrong one?? I put it in the lower thermostat housing (the one that
the lower hose hooks up to) and don't have one in the top (who designed this
anyways???? ;) ...I put it in the way that I whould have put it in if it was
on top, with the side that said "To Rad." on the side that goes to the
radiator. I don't thing it whould have fit the other way either. Does it
need to go the other direction since it would be flowing backwards through
it in this position?

TIA,
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 19:33:40 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

Never seen a thermostat in a lower hose...
Needs to be in the one on the top that comes out of the intake manifold.
Right now it's a cork

At 07:11 PM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I changed my belts, hoses and thermostat on my '84 BII 2.8L today...now it
>over heats. The top radiator hose, bypass hose and about half way up the
>heater hose that connects to the same place ats the top rad. hose get hot.
>the other heater hose and lower radiator hose stay cold.
>
>I know I'm not overheating because of my water pump...it was good before I
>put all the new parts on today. I just wanted to put a new thermostat in
>because I haven't had this BII for long, and didn't know how old the
>thermostat was.
>
>So...did I get slipped a bad thermostat??? or did I put it in wrong?? Do I
>have the wrong one?? I put it in the lower thermostat housing (the one that
>the lower hose hooks up to) and don't have one in the top (who designed this
>anyways???? ;) ...I put it in the way that I whould have put it in if it was
>on top, with the side that said "To Rad." on the side that goes to the
>radiator. I don't thing it whould have fit the other way either. Does it
>need to go the other direction since it would be flowing backwards through
>it in this position?

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:01:26 -0700
From: "DENNIS THOMPSON"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "...built on a Ranger chassis."

- ----- Original Message ----- > >Actually, I think the Explorer and the
Ranger are built on the same
> >basic chassis, sharing many structural components -- especially from
> >the firewall forward.
>
>
> Parked my Explorer nose to nose with a ranger today... Explorer is almost
> a foot wider.

It was the ranger and the bronco II you are thinking of, they are identical
except for the back

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:34:45 -0500
From: "Jim Bielecki"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: "...built on a Ranger Chassis"

> >Actually, I think the Explorer and the Ranger are built on the same
> >basic chassis, sharing many structural components -- especially from
> >the firewall forward.
>
>
> Parked my Explorer nose to nose with a ranger today... Explorer is almost
> a foot wider.

You sure about this? According to Ford the Ranger is 69.3 inches wide and
the Explorer 70.2 inches. These are '98 figures which should be identical
to '99 and '00.

Jim Bielecki




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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:00:09 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: "...built on a Ranger Chassis"

At 08:34 PM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:

>You sure about this? According to Ford the Ranger is 69.3 inches wide and
>the Explorer 70.2 inches. These are '98 figures which should be identical
>to '99 and '00.


Yep... Mines a 97 EB...


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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:29:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: New feature for users

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has added a new feature which the
users should find useful: "The Ford Truck Top 100"

This is a ranking of the Top 100 Ford truck sites on the
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 19:22:47 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

I replaced my thermostat on Friday. I have a 1988 BII. Did you remember to place
the thermostat in the housing with the air hole in the upward (12 o'clock)
position? In your new thermostat the air hole is the little tiny hole that has a
rod sticking losely through it. There is only one.

After 165K miles, I replaced mine because I had to do the heater core and hoses,
so I figured why not? Upon pulling it out there was no green corosion on
anything, even the seal. The thermostat was shinny and in great shape. It looked
almost identical to the new NAPA unit that I installed at the same time.

Adam

4xFord wrote:

> I changed my belts, hoses and thermostat on my '84 BII 2.8L today...now it
> over heats. The top radiator hose, bypass hose and about half way up the
> heater hose that connects to the same place ats the top rad. hose get hot.
> the other heater hose and lower radiator hose stay cold.
>
> I know I'm not overheating because of my water pump...it was good before I
> put all the new parts on today. I just wanted to put a new thermostat in
> because I haven't had this BII for long, and didn't know how old the
> thermostat was.
>
> So...did I get slipped a bad thermostat??? or did I put it in wrong?? Do I
> have the wrong one?? I put it in the lower thermostat housing (the one that
> the lower hose hooks up to) and don't have one in the top (who designed this
> anyways???? ;) ...I put it in the way that I whould have put it in if it was
> on top, with the side that said "To Rad." on the side that goes to the
> radiator. I don't thing it whould have fit the other way either. Does it
> need to go the other direction since it would be flowing backwards through
> it in this position?
>
> TIA,
> Bryce
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:23:55 -0500
From: "4xFord"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

Haven't looked at many 2.8L v6's then....it's in the right place. I'm just
wondering if it needs to be put in backward because of the flow...if it's
not that, then I think I got a bad one.

Bryce

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From: David A. Cooley
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat


> Never seen a thermostat in a lower hose...
> Needs to be in the one on the top that comes out of the intake manifold.
> Right now it's a cork
>
> At 07:11 PM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I changed my belts, hoses and thermostat on my '84 BII 2.8L today...now
it
> >over heats. The top radiator hose, bypass hose and about half way up the
> >heater hose that connects to the same place ats the top rad. hose get
hot.
> >the other heater hose and lower radiator hose stay cold.
> >
> >I know I'm not overheating because of my water pump...it was good before
I
> >put all the new parts on today. I just wanted to put a new thermostat in
> >because I haven't had this BII for long, and didn't know how old the
> >thermostat was.
> >
> >So...did I get slipped a bad thermostat??? or did I put it in wrong?? Do
I
> >have the wrong one?? I put it in the lower thermostat housing (the one
that
> >the lower hose hooks up to) and don't have one in the top (who designed
this
> >anyways???? ;) ...I put it in the way that I whould have put it in if it
was
> >on top, with the side that said "To Rad." on the side that goes to the
> >radiator. I don't thing it whould have fit the other way either. Does it
> >need to go the other direction since it would be flowing backwards
through
> >it in this position?
>
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:36:19 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

At 10:23 PM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Haven't looked at many 2.8L v6's then....it's in the right place. I'm just
>wondering if it needs to be put in backward because of the flow...if it's
>not that, then I think I got a bad one.


According to the alldata system, the thermostat goes in the top housing on
the intake manifold.
side that says RAD goes towards the radiator

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:38:35 -0500
From: "4xFord"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

hmmm..just looked at the old one and the new one...no air hole in
it...strange, I figured there would be one too, but i guess not. I know
what you're talking about though ( I have an extra thermostat for the wife's
car and it hase one).

Bryce
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Adam McLaughlin
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat


> I replaced my thermostat on Friday. I have a 1988 BII. Did you remember to
place
> the thermostat in the housing with the air hole in the upward (12 o'clock)
> position? In your new thermostat the air hole is the little tiny hole that
has a
> rod sticking losely through it. There is only one.
>
> After 165K miles, I replaced mine because I had to do the heater core and
hoses,
> so I figured why not? Upon pulling it out there was no green corosion on
> anything, even the seal. The thermostat was shinny and in great shape. It
looked
> almost identical to the new NAPA unit that I installed at the same time.
>
> Adam
>


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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:53:52 -0500
From: "4xFord"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

Well...according to my observation (and my Haynes book) it goes in the
lower radiator hose...It worked fine there for the last 6K miles that I've
had it...and when I pulled the cover off the intake (where one would
normally go)...I stood there saying "WTF, how's this thermostat go in
there???" So I looked in my Haynes book and it says "3.7b The thermostat on
some 2.8L v6 engines is mounted low on the front of the engine." with a
picture of the lower radiator hose and the housing that holds the
thermostat. I removed the housing and out fell a thermostat.

Maybe Alldata needs to change their name to "MostData"??

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From: David A. Cooley
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat


> According to the alldata system, the thermostat goes in the top housing on
> the intake manifold.
> side that says RAD goes towards the radiator
>



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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:02:00 -0500
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.8L thermostat

At 10:53 PM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Well...according to my observation (and my Haynes book) it goes in the
>lower radiator hose...It worked fine there for the last 6K miles that I've
>had it...and when I pulled the cover off the intake (where one would
>normally go)...I stood there saying "WTF, how's this thermostat go in
>there???" So I looked in my Haynes book and it says "3.7b The thermostat on
>some 2.8L v6 engines is mounted low on the front of the engine." with a
>picture of the lower radiator hose and the housing that holds the
>thermostat. I removed the housing and out fell a thermostat.
>
>Maybe Alldata needs to change their name to "MostData"??


Wouldn't surprise me...
They also quote 4.2hrs to change the heater plenum in my 97 Explorer which....


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