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small-list-digest Saturday, November 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 290



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In this issue:

FTE Small - 2.9 and their idle adjustment
RE: FTE Small - Bleeding Aerostar Brakes
FTE Small - High idle speed
Re: FTE Small - High idle speed
RE: FTE Small - Brake Warning Lights
FTE Small - ADMIN: TRIM REPLIES
Re: FTE Small - 2.9 and their idle adjustment
Re: FTE Small - 2.9 and their idle adjustment

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:08:23 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: FTE Small - 2.9 and their idle adjustment

Hi,

Well, after having a nasty vibration in my 1988 BII for about a month I
finally took it to a shop that I trusted. The owner is a ham, and so am
I!! :-)

I tried to find this problem for many weeks before I turned the job over
to them. I asked them to diagnose the problem and then tell me what they
had found, so that I might fix it myself without tearing my hair out any
longer. I had presumed that they screwed up my clutch when they machined
the flywheel. The vibration was there at all speeds of the engine, and
was very intense at 2600 RPM (peak toque) on up...

He found that I had a stuck fan clutch!! Wow! I have driven the bronco
ever since I got it with this stuck fan and had not known the
difference. I thought that it was just loud because that's the way they
were!!

Now, what a difference! Now, I can only tell that the engine is on by
the flowmaster exhaust system. Geeze, I never knew how quiet the 2.9s
were!! I did blow him away when he told me that there is no oil
consumption or seepage and I countered with telling him the motor has
165K miles plus on it. Synthetic Mobile 1 rules!!!

I'm kinda upset that I couldn't figure this out myself. I even had a fan
clutch wrench. The fan didn't make any noise or anything. I bought it
with this deffect and never knew. He said that he just reved it up and
watched the fan jiggle up and down... Huh. Since he was there anyway, I
told him to just go ahead and fix it. It was $60 for a new heavy duty
fan clutch. I'm not to chagrinned to admit that I paid him to put it in.

One other thing that he mentioned was that there was a way to adjust the
idle speed of the engine. Moving the screw on the throttle body isn't
the right way to do this, he says. Says that there is some adjustment
elsewhere. Huh... Does anyone have any idea what he's talking about or
where I could read about this?

Thanks,

Adam

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:57:23 -0600
From: Mike Harms
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Bleeding Aerostar Brakes

That would be my thought as well. I think recently on this list there was
an issue with bleeding the anti-lock brakes on an explorer. I don't have
the archive anylonger but there was a number of steps necessary to ensure
everything was set correctly after bleeding the brakes. Check with the
dealer to get the proper procedure for doing your Aerostar..

BTW - This is assuming they are four wheel anti-lock and not just rear
anti-lock.


>Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:35:00 -0800
>From: rgstein pacbell.net
>Subject: FTE Small - Bleeding Aerostar Brakes

>Glen Wilson wrote ------------------------------------------------
...
>The problem is that I now have both the brake warning light and Rear ABS
>light on at all times when the engine is running.

>Me ----------------------------------------------------------------

>There is a special procedure for bleeding Aerostar brakes.
>Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read it: maybe it was here.
...
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 11:53:48 -0700
From: Cliff Cameron
Subject: FTE Small - High idle speed

My wife's 86 BII with 2.9 has started going into high speed idle when warm. She says it happens without any warning and
she can't make it happen. Sometimes it slows down on its own and sometimes she has to shut it off and restart. I
ASSume a temperature sensor of some type, but I don't know where to start. Any insight would be appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:01:16 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - High idle speed

Try the throttle position sensor; this was a sign on mine that this sensor had already kicked the bucket.

Adam

Cliff Cameron wrote:

> My wife's 86 BII with 2.9 has started going into high speed idle when warm. She says it happens without any warning and
> she can't make it happen. Sometimes it slows down on its own and sometimes she has to shut it off and restart. I
> ASSume a temperature sensor of some type, but I don't know where to start. Any insight would be appreciated.
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:05:59 -0600
From: "Campbell, Carl "
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Brake Warning Lights

Hi Glen:
I replaced the master cylinder and reservoir on my 88 BII XLT in July and
had the same warning lights come on. I finally determined, after bleeding
the system twice, that the new reservoir had a defective fluid level sensor.
I would check the little float in your reservoir. It could be that it got
stuck down while adding the new fluid causing the RABS module to "think"
that your fluid level is low. Since you didn't crack open the brake system,
I can't see that the proportioning valve would be sending an alarm to the
RABS module, but I could be wrong. I'm just relating my experience with
these warning lights. Good luck.
Carl

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> From: Glen Wilson[SMTP:RoverCar voicenet.com]
> Reply To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:27 AM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Small - Brake Warning Lights
>
> Hi!
>
> If any non-Aerostar people can offer advice on this, please do!
>
> New list member, here.
>
> I recently purchased a 1992 Aerostar with rear ABS. Last weekend, I
> "flushed" the old brake fluid out by simply bleeding all four wheels while
> adding new DOT4 brake fluid to the reservoir. The old stuff was fairly
> nasty looking, but not too bad. I did this by pumping the brake pedal
> with
> the engine off. At no time did the reservoir level drop low enough to let
> air into the system.
>
> The problem is that I now have both the brake warning light and Rear ABS
> light on at all times when the engine is running. I assume some sort of
> proportioning valve got pushed into the wrong position or that I need to
> reset some sort of "low pressure" sensor readout to get rid of the lights.
> The brakes operat normally.
>
> I'd appreciate some guidance on how to get things working right again.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Glen Wilson
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>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 18:31:06 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: TRIM REPLIES

I asked last week for people to trim their replies when
responding to lengthy posts. 2 line replies to 50 line
posts should have irrelevant portions of the original
trimmed out. This will not only reduce load on our
server due to smaller digests, but is also a courtesy
to other lists members. Its even worse when someone
replies to a reply to a reply and not a single one is
trimmed. There are many FAQs available on the net about
mailing list etiquette but unfortunately many people could
care less about FAQs and etiquette.

The request is no longer a request and will be enforced.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:01:54 CST
From: "Bad Brian"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.9 and their idle adjustment

One other thing that he mentioned was that there was a way to adjust the
idle speed of the engine. Moving the screw on the throttle body isn't
the right way to do this, he says. Says that there is some adjustment
elsewhere. Huh... Does anyone have any idea what he's talking about or
where I could read about this?

Thanks,

Adam

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The only way i know of is by turning the distributor one way or the other
just enough to drop the idle. Double check your timing though to make sure
it is still correcting it properly. I dont know if this is the "proper" way
since the service manual says "no adjustment".


Bad Brian
Southeastern Electronics
kf4obc
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://southeastern.webjump.com

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 22:31:02 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 2.9 and their idle adjustment

Hi Brian!

I tried that and I got it right where I wanted it, at 12 BTDC. This is for
premium gas and a MSD-6A system. The tech there says that it has a slight miss
at idle that can be corrected by this repair. I am looking to the air bypass
valve, but I am not sure. Any ideas? He's N6BK, and I'm kd6poc...

Adam

Bad Brian wrote:

> One other thing that he mentioned was that there was a way to adjust the
> idle speed of the engine. Moving the screw on the throttle body isn't
> the right way to do this, he says. Says that there is some adjustment
> elsewhere. Huh... Does anyone have any idea what he's talking about or
> where I could read about this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
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>
> The only way i know of is by turning the distributor one way or the other
> just enough to drop the idle. Double check your timing though to make sure
> it is still correcting it properly. I dont know if this is the "proper" way
> since the service manual says "no adjustment".
>
> Bad Brian
> Southeastern Electronics
> kf4obc
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://southeastern.webjump.com
>
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