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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - the low-down on head gaskets
RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
Re: FTE Small - Pickup-towing capacities
RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
Re: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
FTE Small - Explorer Qs
RE: FTE Small - Explorer Qs
Re: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
FTE Small - Re: Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
FTE Small - Re: Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs
Re: [FTE Small - the low-down on head gaskets]
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs
FTE Small - Explorer Pings
FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server
[none]
RE: FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server
FTE Small - Pings, MAFs & premium fuel
Re: [FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server]
Re: [FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server]

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:26:54 EDT
From: JIMBO01947 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - the low-down on head gaskets

In a message dated 10/4/99 7:02:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
editor rockzone.com writes:


with the white smoke I usually can see condensation in the pipe. >>

White smoke (water vaper) is common when you start your vehicle after haveing
set all night in humid cold conditions.....this is caused by condensation in
the exhaust system. After running the vehicle for 10 or 15 miles and
exhaust is hot then (white smoke) should go away. If it does not then I
would suspect cooling water getting into the exhaust system
somewhere...Personally if I have to remove a head for this type of problem I
would also have the heads rebuilt and magnifluxed to make sure that they are
not cracked and that the mating surface is flat..etc. etc.
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:21:29 +0200
From: Bolte Brent
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission

I'm really starting to feel sorry for you folks that have
to put up with these Ford dealers who seem to think that
customer service ends the second you drive the vehicle off
the lot. The dealers we have in our area have always bent
over backwards ( as opposed to bending you over forwards
like it sounds they are doing to you ) to help you get a problem
or service concern resolved. This possibly could have something
to do with the fact that we have 4 Ford dealers within a 30 mile
radius and they know that if they don't treat you right, you can
very easily take your business to one of the other dealers without
really going out of your way. Over the years I've done business
with 3 of the 4 dealers in this area and only once have I ever had
to argue with them about getting a repair covered by Ford's
warranty ( and that was on our 1991 Explorer which was 4000
miles out of warranty at the time ). The problem had been
repaired once under warranty and then failed again shortly after
the vehicle went out of warranty. At first they did not want to
repair the item again as a warranty claim, but then when I asked
the service manager to set up a meeting between him, myself
and the Ford service zone representative he suddenly changed
his tune and they ended up fixing the problem without any cost
to me ( whether Ford corporate paid for it or the dealer just ate it
to keep me as a customer really didn't matter to me as long as
it got fixed and I didn't have to pay for it ). The dealer I go to now
has called me several times when I've had the vehicle in for oil
changes to tell me that a service bulletin has been issued for a
particular problem and since they have seen this problem show
up on other vehicles, they would like to replace the part or parts
in question on my vehicle before they become a problem ( both
of our current Explorers are still under warranty however ).
If I was having your problem, I would be documenting
the time and date of all calls made to the dealership and to Ford,
the names of the people you have talked to during these calls,
and the questions you asked with the answers you were given.
Send a letter describing this problem to your State Attorney
General along with copies of all of the documentation you have
been keeping and a statement telling them exactly what you
would like the dealer to do to resolve your problem ( send copies
of this letter and other documentation to the dealer as well ). If
this doesn't get your problem resolved, invite your dealer and Ford
Motor Company to a nice meeting in your local small claims court
and sue them for the cost to get this problem resolved ( being sure
to include the cost of any time off you incurred trying to get this
problem resolved ). You have a definite right to have this problem,
which Ford has admitted is caused by the vehicle being built with
incorrect parts to begin with, repaired without cost to you even if
the vehicle is out of warranty.
Then again have you ever though about contacting one
of the news shows like 20/20 or Dateline to see if they would be
interested in airing a segment on their show about how vehicle
manufacturers are building vehicles incorrectly and then
refusing to repair them when problems start showing up because
of the incorrect parts they use. Might be amazed at how quickly
Ford would decide to repair all of these "defective" vehicles if they
knew this information would be broadcast all over the United States
to current and possibly future buyers of their products.

Just my thoughts on the subject, Brent Bolte



On Mon, 04 Oct 1999, David Cooley wrote:
> I would rather buy an inferior product with good customer
> support than a superior product that the manufacturer
> basically says "You bought it, deal with it".
> It is because of this that I will not own another ford unless
> their customer support attitude changes a *LOT*.

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:44:57 -0500
From: Christopher J Abele
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Pickup-towing capacities

Can anyone give a breakdown of the different towing capacities for the
Ranger? I know it varies from short to longbed, 4x4, stx, etc etc etc
etc. I'm looking at the 94-95 model with at least a 4.0 V6. I also
understand that transmission will affect the towing capacity. . .any
thoughts?

Christopher J. Abele
CCRC Head Coach and Moderator
1562 Archwood Lane
Toledo, OH 43614
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:41:54 -0500
From: Mike Harms
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission

I'm sorry to hear you are having these problems with contacting Ford and
getting relief. I'm very supprised that somewhere along the chain, one of
the supervisors didn't realize that while they didn't have access to the
information, it was their responsibility to make sure you received the
information from someone who did have access.

Thankfully you are not in a situation like I am with my cable company. You
have the option to buy a non-Ford product the next time you need a vehicle.
It's too bad that the people you talked to at Ford didn't understand that it
isn't enough to just meet the status quo. You truly need to exceed
customer's expectations to be successful in the market today.

>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:13:22 -0400
>From: David Cooley
>Subject: RE: RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission

>At 08:36 AM 10/4/1999 -0500, you wrote:

...
>Spoken with 3 different supervisors... They all claimed to not have access
>to that information.
>I'm finding out alot about Ford lately... Unlike GM and most foreign
>automakers, they do not participate in the Better Business Bureaus AutoLine

...
>I would rather buy an inferior product with good customer support than a
>superior product that the manufacturer basically says "You bought it, deal
>with it".
>It is because of this that I will not own another ford unless their custome

>support attitude changes a *LOT*.
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:11:06 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission

At 09:41 AM 10/5/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm sorry to hear you are having these problems with contacting Ford and
>getting relief. I'm very supprised that somewhere along the chain, one of
>the supervisors didn't realize that while they didn't have access to the
>information, it was their responsibility to make sure you received the
>information from someone who did have access.
>
>Thankfully you are not in a situation like I am with my cable company. You
>have the option to buy a non-Ford product the next time you need a vehicle.
>It's too bad that the people you talked to at Ford didn't understand that it
>isn't enough to just meet the status quo. You truly need to exceed
>customer's expectations to be successful in the market today.


That's why I've resigned to fixing it myself and chalking it up to a lesson
learned. Never trust Ford again and no longer purchase their
products. The laws of supply and demand dictate how successful a business
is... if Ford continues to treat their customers this way, the demand for
their products will dwindle and maybe the light will come on. Then again,
Maybe not.
On mine, I've found that not only did I have the wrong Actuator, but the
blend air door was broken... Figured I'd order the door from Ford and
replace it... HA.. Have to buy the whole plenum for $120.00 to get the
blend air door... $55.00 for the actuator. Now I'm at $175.00 and only in
parts... I still need to figure out how to get the whole dash out to change
the plenum... The Alldata System III is useless for this... Under
procedures, it gives tests, but not repair procedures. This thing was
supposed to replace hardcopy manuals in a shop, but it leaves a LOT to be
desired.

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Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 13:52:32 -0400
From: "Jesse A. Edwards"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission

Brent -

Where do you live? Wouldn't mind getting my truck to a reputable dealer.

Thanks.

Jerry Edwards
Phubby bellsouth.net

Bolte Brent wrote:

> I'm really starting to feel sorry for you folks that have
> to put up with these Ford dealers who seem to think that
> customer service ends the second you drive the vehicle off
> the lot. The dealers we have in our area have always bent
> over backwards ( as opposed to bending you over forwards
> like it sounds they are doing to you ) to help you get a problem
> or service concern resolved. This possibly could have something
> to do with the fact that we have 4 Ford dealers within a 30 mile
> radius and they know that if they don't treat you right, you can
> very easily take your business to one of the other dealers without
> really going out of your way. Over the years I've done business
> with 3 of the 4 dealers in this area and only once have I ever had
> to argue with them about getting a repair covered by Ford's
> warranty ( and that was on our 1991 Explorer which was 4000
> miles out of warranty at the time ). The problem had been
> repaired once under warranty and then failed again shortly after
> the vehicle went out of warranty. At first they did not want to
> repair the item again as a warranty claim, but then when I asked
> the service manager to set up a meeting between him, myself
> and the Ford service zone representative he suddenly changed
> his tune and they ended up fixing the problem without any cost
> to me ( whether Ford corporate paid for it or the dealer just ate it
> to keep me as a customer really didn't matter to me as long as
> it got fixed and I didn't have to pay for it ). The dealer I go to now
> has called me several times when I've had the vehicle in for oil
> changes to tell me that a service bulletin has been issued for a
> particular problem and since they have seen this problem show
> up on other vehicles, they would like to replace the part or parts
> in question on my vehicle before they become a problem ( both
> of our current Explorers are still under warranty however ).
> If I was having your problem, I would be documenting
> the time and date of all calls made to the dealership and to Ford,
> the names of the people you have talked to during these calls,
> and the questions you asked with the answers you were given.
> Send a letter describing this problem to your State Attorney
> General along with copies of all of the documentation you have
> been keeping and a statement telling them exactly what you
> would like the dealer to do to resolve your problem ( send copies
> of this letter and other documentation to the dealer as well ). If
> this doesn't get your problem resolved, invite your dealer and Ford
> Motor Company to a nice meeting in your local small claims court
> and sue them for the cost to get this problem resolved ( being sure
> to include the cost of any time off you incurred trying to get this
> problem resolved ). You have a definite right to have this problem,
> which Ford has admitted is caused by the vehicle being built with
> incorrect parts to begin with, repaired without cost to you even if
> the vehicle is out of warranty.
> Then again have you ever though about contacting one
> of the news shows like 20/20 or Dateline to see if they would be
> interested in airing a segment on their show about how vehicle
> manufacturers are building vehicles incorrectly and then
> refusing to repair them when problems start showing up because
> of the incorrect parts they use. Might be amazed at how quickly
> Ford would decide to repair all of these "defective" vehicles if they
> knew this information would be broadcast all over the United States
> to current and possibly future buyers of their products.
>
> Just my thoughts on the subject, Brent Bolte
>
>
>
> On Mon, 04 Oct 1999, David Cooley wrote:
> > I would rather buy an inferior product with good customer
> > support than a superior product that the manufacturer
> > basically says "You bought it, deal with it".
> > It is because of this that I will not own another ford unless
> > their customer support attitude changes a *LOT*.
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:24:04 -0500
From: Christopher J Abele
Subject: FTE Small - Explorer Qs

Almost picked up a 94 Exporer today. Anything I should know about the
early model explorers? I've heard of people that have never once had a
problem with theirs, then I've heard of people, well, you get the
picture. What should I be looking for in terms of common problems when I
am out?

Christopher J. Abele
CCRC Head Coach and Moderator
1562 Archwood Lane
Toledo, OH 43614
home: (419)382-8581; cell: (419)297-2209

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:03:24 -0500
From: "Tony Rio - (Chicago)"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Explorer Qs

Our rack-and-pinion was leaking when we first got ours used (bought a 95
E.B. 18 month ago)... luckily it was still covered under the original
warrenty.

The only other thing is that something on the passenger side creaks. Don't
know if it's the seat, or what, but it's not a big deal.

Otherwise the truck has been great.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-small-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Christopher J
> Abele
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 4:24 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Small - Explorer Qs
>
>
> Almost picked up a 94 Exporer today. Anything I should know about the
> early model explorers? I've heard of people that have never once had a
> problem with theirs, then I've heard of people, well, you get the
> picture. What should I be looking for in terms of common problems when I
> am out?
>
> Christopher J. Abele
> CCRC Head Coach and Moderator
> 1562 Archwood Lane
> Toledo, OH 43614
> home: (419)382-8581; cell: (419)297-2209
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:29:43 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission

you know in like 1987 I bought a car for my then wife. she wanted one of
those Hyundais. The financing for this car was obtained through Citibank.
Within four months the car started to fall apart. When I got little
satisfaction from the dealer and the customer rep. I contacted the bank and
their customer rep got the dealer to repair the car properly.. Just a thought
if the vehicle is financed and not through Ford credit.
Bob
ROlson1039 aol.com
99 Ranger 2wd
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:41:21 -0500
From: "Randy Collins"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Ford Ranger Auto Transmission

I went through this same problem. All I can say is I have friends with
chevies and dodges who don't have these kinds of problems...

ran
> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:36:42 -0400
> From: "David A. Cooley"
> Subject: RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
>
> Been there, done that... CAC said ask the dealership for the Zone Rep,
> Dealership refused (3 of them) and said call CAC.
> Now where's the problem lie????
>
>
> At 10:35 AM 10/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I would try below first and let them know you want to be put in touch
with
> >the Ford Zone Representative for your area because your dealer has been
> >unwilling in assisting you with a issue on your Ford Truck.
> >
> >Keep in mind that you will need to overcome some hesitance and people
being
> >dismissive on Ford's part. Typically dealers are very willing to help
their
> >customers. Thus when someone has to contact them directly they usually
end
> >up dealing with someone with unrealistic expectations that a dealer has
> >given up on. This can make it a little tough at first to get them to
listen
> >to your problem when there is a valid issue.
> >
> >If You Live In The U.S, Contact:
> >
> >1-800-392-3673 (FORD/MERCURY)
> >1-800-521-4140 (LINCOLN)
> >TDD for the Hearing Impaired: 1-800-232-5952
> >
> >Ford Motor Company
> >Customer Assistance Center
> >P.O. Box 6248
> >Dearborn, MI 48126
> >
> >Office Hours: 8 a.m. - 5 p.m. (Monday-Friday).



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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:49:55 -0500
From: "Randy Collins"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Ford Ranger Auto Transmission

I agree with your last statements. The ONLY reason I bought another Ford is
because that was the only way the zone rep would buy the car back. I can say
this too: the Ford arbitration process stinks! My wife was pregnant and our
brand new car was in the shop two months solid because it kept breaking down
and they could not diagnose the problem. All we wanted was a replacement; no
can do. Would not buy the car back. Finally, the car broke down the last
time and it sat for three weeks before the rep would meet with us.

I hate to say it, but I will not buy another Ford product until they get
some quality control issues resolved.

ran

> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:13:22 -0400
> From: David Cooley
> Subject: RE: RE: FTE Small - Ford Ranger Auto Transmission
>
> At 08:36 AM 10/4/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >My father had a similar issue with a dealership in Rural Minnesota. They
> >repaired his vehicle which then failed shortly after the repair. He felt
> >the failure was related to the work they performed. He argued with them,
> >wrote letters to the service manager, owner, and finally the newspaper.
In
> >the end he received no satisfaction other than to ensure that he will
never
> >do business with that dealership, and he attempts to dissuade anyone he
> >knows from dealing with that dealership.
>
> Spoken with 3 different supervisors... They all claimed to not have access
> to that information.
> I'm finding out alot about Ford lately... Unlike GM and most foreign
> automakers, they do not participate in the Better Business Bureaus
AutoLine
> arbitration program. According to a spokesman with the BBB, he told me
> Ford and Chrysler refuse to join, and also have more complaints against
> them than any other auto manufacturer that sells vehicles in the USA.
> It seem's Fords customer service/support ends the second your signature is
> on the purchase contract for a vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I love fords
> products, but without a proper attitude for customer service, they will
> lose a LOT of customers in the coming years.
> I would rather buy an inferior product with good customer support than a
> superior product that the manufacturer basically says "You bought it, deal
> with it".
> It is because of this that I will not own another ford unless their
custome
> support attitude changes a *LOT*.



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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:58:17 -0400
From: "Ron,Marge,Ted"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs

Hi Chris,
My wife has a 94 Explorer and we love it. It has been going like a champ
for over 5 yrs now with one small quirk. For over a year now, it pings now
and then and 3 different dealers haven't been able to stop it. The last
dealer changed O2 sensors and that's helped some but every now and then it
will still have a slight ping! We have even used premium fuel with no
change. Anyway, the last dealer gave me the ever famous."they all do it and
it's normal" Bull# %$. Other than that, we love this truck.
Ron
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher J Abele
To:
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 6:24 PM
Subject: FTE Small - Explorer Qs


> Almost picked up a 94 Exporer today. Anything I should know about the
> early model explorers? I've heard of people that have never once had a
> problem with theirs, then I've heard of people, well, you get the
> picture. What should I be looking for in terms of common problems when I
> am out?
>
> Christopher J. Abele
> CCRC Head Coach and Moderator
> 1562 Archwood Lane
> Toledo, OH 43614
> home: (419)382-8581; cell: (419)297-2209
>
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Date: 5 Oct 99 20:46:40 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [FTE Small - the low-down on head gaskets]

"Stephen Bozzone" wrote:

> I'm a bit worried about my truck and the possibility of a blown head
gasket.

Let's hope it isn't the case.

> I was told that if the antifreeze level drops and the exhuast churns ou=
t
> white smoke, I might indeed have a blown head gasket. I was told this =
when
> I brought my bii in because of overheating.

I agree with everything Jimbo said, it's possible you might have a minor =
leak
somewhere else causing the drop combined with the normal condensation typ=
e
smoke.

> Had the thermostat replaced and
> it's never ran better, it doesn't touch the middle mark on the temperat=
ure
> gauge.

Until you run low enough on coolant...

> =

> I do experience white smoke out of my exhuast (this goes off and on), a=
nd
> with the white smoke I usually can see condensation in the pipe. =

Is it on a cold start or after running long enough to get hot? Also does=
the
smoke have a 'sweet' odor to it?

> the radiator and the level has gone down a bit since i last filled it. =
(4
> weeks ago).

8 Oz? 1/2 Galllon?

> =

> Are there any prime indicators for a blown head gasket (I know we went =
over
> these before)? =


PRIME indicators:
Lots of billowy white smoke. (Especially hot when the pressure comes up=
)
"Chocolate milkshake" on the underside of the oil cap.
Oil in the coolant. (Note.. can be a busted cooler if equipped with one=
in
the radiator)

This is for well blown ones though; minor ones are tougher to pinpoint.

Minor indicators:
Unexplained coolant loss with positively no leaks found.
Smokes briefly on hot restart. (coolant seeps into the cyl while idle)
=

> Would my bronco ii still run fine otherwise?

That all depends on the severity of the leak and where it's leaking. :-(=
I
see plenty that run well or just rough for the first few seconds after st=
art
up. (Of course plenty that run like crap too! )


In the area of the head gasket you've got 3 (4?) things being sealed agin=
st
each other:
=

1)Oil
Coolant
Cylinder (Vacuum & pressure depending on the stroke)

Any 2 (or possibly more) can get connected by a blown gasket so...

oil in the coolant, coolant in the oil, coolant sucked into the cylinder =
and
burned, pressure into the coolant (blows out the radiator typically). I
haven't seen the other possibilities in the real world but I wont say the=
y
couldn't happen!

I thought previously that it was only the 2.9 that was bad for cracking h=
eads
but today when our local machine shop was dropping off a set of warped up=
4.0L
heads (blew out the radiator) I bent the owner's ear for a few minutes. =
I'm
sad to report that it affects the 2.8 & 4.0 just as frequently. =
For
some good news the crack is usually easily spotted; with the valve covers=
off
look CLOSELY at the gasket surface after everything is nice and clean. I=
n
worse cases the crack can be spotted all the way down to the recess for t=
he
spark plug after cleaning. I've seen 2.9 heads that looked like a good s=
mack
on a table would result in a head suitable for a V-4 engine. (Usually on=
ly
ONE head will crack on any given engine though and either the first or la=
st
cylinder of the head.)


> -- "I see now mankind was not meant to last." [Hatebreed] --

No doubt...

Tim
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:48:29 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs

At 07:58 PM 10/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Chris,
> My wife has a 94 Explorer and we love it. It has been going like a champ
>for over 5 yrs now with one small quirk. For over a year now, it pings now
>and then and 3 different dealers haven't been able to stop it. The last
>dealer changed O2 sensors and that's helped some but every now and then it
>will still have a slight ping! We have even used premium fuel with no
>change. Anyway, the last dealer gave me the ever famous."they all do it and
>it's normal" Bull# %$. Other than that, we love this truck.

Clean the MAF with a good electronic parts spray cleaner. Works every time
===========================================================
David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they didn't?!
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:57:48 -0400
From: "Jesse A. Edwards"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs

David -

What is the MAF and where is it found? Thanxs.

Jerry

David A. Cooley wrote:

> At 07:58 PM 10/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi Chris,
> > My wife has a 94 Explorer and we love it. It has been going like a champ
> >for over 5 yrs now with one small quirk. For over a year now, it pings now
> >and then and 3 different dealers haven't been able to stop it. The last
> >dealer changed O2 sensors and that's helped some but every now and then it
> >will still have a slight ping! We have even used premium fuel with no
> >change. Anyway, the last dealer gave me the ever famous."they all do it and
> >it's normal" Bull# %$. Other than that, we love this truck.
>
> Clean the MAF with a good electronic parts spray cleaner. Works every time
> ===========================================================
> David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
> Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they didn't?!
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:18:07 -0400
From: "Ron,Marge,Ted"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs

Hi Dave,
Someone told me that on here before, may even have been you. Cleaned the
MAF, disconnected the battery to reprogram the computer and all, but no
improvement! It's not as severe now since the O2's were changed but it is
still there somewhat.

Ron
- ----- Original Message -----
From: David A. Cooley
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Qs


> At 07:58 PM 10/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi Chris,
> > My wife has a 94 Explorer and we love it. It has been going like a
champ
> >for over 5 yrs now with one small quirk. For over a year now, it pings
now
> >and then and 3 different dealers haven't been able to stop it. The last
> >dealer changed O2 sensors and that's helped some but every now and then
it
> >will still have a slight ping! We have even used premium fuel with no
> >change. Anyway, the last dealer gave me the ever famous."they all do it
and
> >it's normal" Bull# %$. Other than that, we love this truck.
>
> Clean the MAF with a good electronic parts spray cleaner. Works every
time
> ===========================================================
> David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
> Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they
didn't?!
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:32:22 -0400
From: "Bob Schnabel"
Subject: FTE Small - Explorer Pings

To Stop pinging in Explorers remove the "Air Mass Sensor" that name is close
to right but the proper name escapes me for the minute but I think the
initials are MAF. Never the less it sits on top of the intake plumbing near
the filter and it has an electrical connection. There are two small wire
that get crud on them. Clear the wires with carburetor cleaner. then put
it all back together. Then disconnect the battery to reset the engine
management computer to the default state. After a few seconds reconnect.
If you are at all handy, have the right tools and can make sense of the
message this should take about 10 minutes. The pinging will be greatly
diminished or gone.

Bob S!

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:03:24 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server

Here we grow again!

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has once again outgrown the capacity
of our server. We are in the process of ordering a fractional
T1 line which will allow us to host the site directly from
our home. The time to install is approximately 60+ days.
This will give us a ton of extra capacity and allow us to
offer many more features to our users because our web space
will increase to 10+ gigabytes. Currently, we use about
the same "constant" bandwidth of a 64k ISDN channel and a
peak bandwidth of 5 ISDN channels. Our new capacity will
be about 8 ISDN channels with peak allowances of 10 channels.

In the meantime, our server has gotten slower and we've taken
steps that should have an immediate improvement beginning
this evening. Ford Truck Enthusiasts is now operating on
two servers instead of one. The second server reduces the
load on our current system by about 40%. Expect to see
dramatic improvements in speed.

The second server gives us an additional 350 meg of drive
space. The list archives will be brought back on line in
the next week! Our costs have skyrocketed over the last
6 months. We'll be having a big holiday season sale and
a special promotion in order to pay for all this. As always,
the goal of this is to keep the system free for you and
the mailing lists free from ads. The sale will be conducted
on the web site, not the lists.

Those of you who've been with us a while (Hi Deacon!) know
that I believe in keeping everyone informed as to our
status. If you have any questions, feel free to contact
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:31:39 -0800
From: "Alex Cline"
Subject: [none]

Can anyone help
I have an 86 BII Eddie Bauer with a 2.9 auto. My problem is at a stop =
light she surges.......the rpms will read about 7 to 800 then up to 12 =
or 1300 then back down to 7 or 8 then up to 12, 13 until I start moving =
again or put it in neutral.
Thanks
Alex
79 F250 Supercab
and my super surging 86 BII Eddie Bauer=20

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:37:34 -0500
From: trio tigroupchicago.com
Subject: RE: FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server

Hey Ken... I think I'm not the only one who thinks congratulations are in
order. There are lots' of companies out there that wish in their wildest
dreams that their web-site could have this much success.

Thanks for providing this resource, and keep up the good work!

Tony Rio

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From: owner-small-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Payne
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 9:03 PM
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com;
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Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server


Here we grow again!

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has once again outgrown the capacity
of our server. We are in the process of ordering a fractional
T1 line which will allow us to host the site directly from
our home. The time to install is approximately 60+ days.
This will give us a ton of extra capacity and allow us to
offer many more features to our users because our web space
will increase to 10+ gigabytes. Currently, we use about
the same "constant" bandwidth of a 64k ISDN channel and a
peak bandwidth of 5 ISDN channels. Our new capacity will
be about 8 ISDN channels with peak allowances of 10 channels.

In the meantime, our server has gotten slower and we've taken
steps that should have an immediate improvement beginning
this evening. Ford Truck Enthusiasts is now operating on
two servers instead of one. The second server reduces the
load on our current system by about 40%. Expect to see
dramatic improvements in speed.

The second server gives us an additional 350 meg of drive
space. The list archives will be brought back on line in
the next week! Our costs have skyrocketed over the last
6 months. We'll be having a big holiday season sale and
a special promotion in order to pay for all this. As always,
the goal of this is to keep the system free for you and
the mailing lists free from ads. The sale will be conducted
on the web site, not the lists.

Those of you who've been with us a while (Hi Deacon!) know
that I believe in keeping everyone informed as to our
status. If you have any questions, feel free to contact
me personally at kpayne ford-trucks.com

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: 5 Oct 99 22:43:11 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: FTE Small - Pings, MAFs & premium fuel

Pings:
The computer learns over time your 'general' driving habits and alters =
it's
fuel/timing curves to suit so an occasional tap or two IS normal under
circumstances you usually dont encounter. If it's happening often then y=
es
the "all do that" is BS.

MAFs and cleaning:
This is information from 8-10 years ago, but at that time I was taught =
that
to clean a MAF was to cause irrepairable long term damage to it. Does it=

apply now? I dont know... I dont care to chance it myself. As far as p=
arts
go (most) Ford MAFs arent THAT expensive and if you're looking for an exc=
use
to get a bigger throttle body & MAF here's your sign. :-)

Premium fuel:
DONT! Use the fuel the vehicle was designed for. If the gas guage say=
s
"premium unleaded fuel recommended" (SHO for example) then please do, but=

otherwise do not. Slower burning fuel (higher octane)=3D more heavy
hydrocarbons =3D more carbon deposits =3D ever worsening ping. I know we=
all want
the best for our Fords but using unneeded higher octane fuel just wastes =
money
each tank and makes for higher repair bills over time. (Hmm.. the more
repairs y'all need the more I make.. ignore all this message =

Seriously though.. dont waste your money; just get good quality fuel of t=
he
grade specified in the owners manual.

Tim
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
=


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Date: 5 Oct 99 23:00:31 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server]

Ken Payne wrote:
> Here we grow again!
> =


Congrats Ken! I'm enjoying watching the site grow. As a former SySop of =
a BBS
I know the pains and costs involved (and time!!!) You're doing well and =
have
the right attitude toward the users and the business. :-)

> the mailing lists free from ads. The sale will be conducted
> on the web site, not the lists.

And from my perspective of knowing a fraction of what it must take to be =
world
wide Vs. local I urge all the mail listers to take part and help keep the=

place the way we like it. Buy a sticker, T-shirt, whatever. (I'm sure ju=
st
plain donations would be accepted too!) If you dont know what a "T-1" is=
just
suffice it to say it's an expensive way to have lots of people call your
computer every month.

> =

> Those of you who've been with us a while (Hi Deacon!) know
> that I believe in keeping everyone informed as to our
> status. =


Please do; I enjoy it also. For those unfamiliar with me I haunt the sma=
ll,
offroad and performance lists; I can be contacted at
ManicMechanicNC netscape.com or ManicMech15 aol.com

Support FTE! :-)

Tim Turner
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
=


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Date: 5 Oct 99 23:00:31 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server]

Ken Payne wrote:
> Here we grow again!
> =


Congrats Ken! I'm enjoying watching the site grow. As a former SySop of =....


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