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small-list-digest Tuesday, September 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 251



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Small - Ford's got a serious problem!
FTE Small - ADMIN: FTE news article
Re: FTE Small - MAP Sensor Question
Re: FTE Small - Ford's got a serious problem!
FTE Small - Re: David....
FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
RE: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
Re: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
RE: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
RE: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
RE: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
Re: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
FTE Small - ranger hoods
Re: FTE Small - Ford's got a serious problem!
Re: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
FTE Small - Pickup-towing capacities

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:19:37 -0400
From: "Edward C. Miller"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Ford's got a serious problem!

I heard a story once of a guy who was going back and forth with a ford
dealership in DE on a repair. He got so fed up he started parking his car
across the street from the dealership with a large sign on the roof stating " I
bought this lemon from -------- Ford" Next thing you know they invited him in
to get the problem resolved. Just a suggestion.


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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:22:41 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: FTE news article

Check out the news section of the web site at
http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/index.html

FTE has just published an article about the door stress crack
on 1997-1998 F150s. Additional articles about this will be
published in the near future.

Ken Payne
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:16:52 PDT
From: "H. Lee Purvis"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - MAP Sensor Question

If I remember correctly, the Brake On/Off is part of the test that you have
to press the brakes withing a certain # of seconds. If you don't then it
reads it as a failure.

Lee

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:42:00 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ford's got a serious problem!

Hahahaha...Great idea!

"Edward C. Miller" wrote:

> I heard a story once of a guy who was going back and forth with a ford
> dealership in DE on a repair. He got so fed up he started parking his car
> across the street from the dealership with a large sign on the roof stating " I
> bought this lemon from -------- Ford" Next thing you know they invited him in
> to get the problem resolved. Just a suggestion.

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:42:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Renate Pitrof
Subject: FTE Small - Re: David....


all the good advice and answers that you have posted
to the list in the past, second I worked at a Ford
assembly plant for 31 years and I think you have a
legitimate complaint, go get them. Hans>>

I wholeheartedly agree... couldn't have said it better
myself. David always helps when someone has a problem
and I'm glad we have someone like him on this list.
Renate
'99 Ranger XLT 4x4 SC






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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:08:09 -0700
From: Robert Gilkey
Subject: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger

Hi all,

I've been following this list for a while and now have to ask for your
advice.

My truck started overheating over the weekend. I brought it into the shop
and they said that the head gaskets were blown. They also said that this is
common on the 4.0L Rangers. Is this true?

Also, before I have the work done I'd like to take a look at it to see if
they are for real or are trying to sucker me. Replacing the head gaskets is
expensive. Are there any signs to look for that they are blown? Also they
said they knew it was blown because of some kind of chemical test. Does
anyone know about this?

You guys have always given good advice thanks in advance.

- -Robert Gilkey
'94 Ranger 4.0L V6 Supercab XLT
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Robert Gilkey Phone: 408-450-6885
Acme Software, Inc FAX: 408-327-0177
2388 Walsh Ave e-mail: robertg acmesoft.com
Santa Clara, CA 95051 web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.acmesoft.com


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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:22:18 -0700
From: Ray Scheidnes
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger

Overheating? My '94 4.0 overheated once - I replaced the thermostat and the
truck ran nice and cool after that and it still does...

> ----------
> From: Robert Gilkey[SMTP:RobertG acmesoft.com]
> Reply To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 12:08 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been following this list for a while and now have to ask for your
> advice.
>
> My truck started overheating over the weekend. I brought it into the shop
> and they said that the head gaskets were blown. They also said that this
> is
> common on the 4.0L Rangers. Is this true?
>
> Also, before I have the work done I'd like to take a look at it to see if
> they are for real or are trying to sucker me. Replacing the head gaskets
> is
> expensive. Are there any signs to look for that they are blown? Also they
> said they knew it was blown because of some kind of chemical test. Does
> anyone know about this?
>
> You guys have always given good advice thanks in advance.
>
> -Robert Gilkey
> '94 Ranger 4.0L V6 Supercab XLT
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> -------------
> Robert Gilkey Phone: 408-450-6885
> Acme Software, Inc FAX: 408-327-0177
> 2388 Walsh Ave e-mail: robertg acmesoft.com
> Santa Clara, CA 95051 web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.acmesoft.com
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:26:08 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger

At 12:08 PM 9/27/1999 -0700, Robert Gilkey wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've been following this list for a while and now have to ask for your
>advice.
>
>My truck started overheating over the weekend. I brought it into the shop
>and they said that the head gaskets were blown. They also said that this is
>common on the 4.0L Rangers. Is this true?
>
>Also, before I have the work done I'd like to take a look at it to see if
>they are for real or are trying to sucker me. Replacing the head gaskets is
>expensive. Are there any signs to look for that they are blown? Also they
>said they knew it was blown because of some kind of chemical test. Does
>anyone know about this?


Hi Robert,
Head gaskets aren't common on the V6 fords... The gaskets can be checked to
see if they are letting compression/exhaust get into the cooling jacket
with a rediator chemical tester... Basically a cylinder that is partially
filled with a chemical that is placed into the filler neck of the
radiator... the engine is run, and if there is any exhaust/compression
getting to the cooling jacket, it escapes out the filler neck, through the
chemical and changes it's color.

===========================================================
David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:26:05 -0700
From: Robert Gilkey
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger

Thanks,
That explains a lot.
- -Robert

- -----Original Message-----
From: David Cooley [mailto:n5xmt bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 12:26 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger


At 12:08 PM 9/27/1999 -0700, Robert Gilkey wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've been following this list for a while and now have to ask for your
>advice.
>
>My truck started overheating over the weekend. I brought it into the shop
>and they said that the head gaskets were blown. They also said that this is
>common on the 4.0L Rangers. Is this true?
>
>Also, before I have the work done I'd like to take a look at it to see if
>they are for real or are trying to sucker me. Replacing the head gaskets is
>expensive. Are there any signs to look for that they are blown? Also they
>said they knew it was blown because of some kind of chemical test. Does
>anyone know about this?


Hi Robert,
Head gaskets aren't common on the V6 fords... The gaskets can be checked to
see if they are letting compression/exhaust get into the cooling jacket
with a rediator chemical tester... Basically a cylinder that is partially
filled with a chemical that is placed into the filler neck of the
radiator... the engine is run, and if there is any exhaust/compression
getting to the cooling jacket, it escapes out the filler neck, through the
chemical and changes it's color.

===========================================================
David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:21:50 -0700
From: Robert Gilkey
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger

More questions about the Ranger with the blown heads...

I was talking with the mechanic and apparently he sees this sort of thing
often. Where the exhaust leaks into the cooling jacket. Apparently this
creates a detectable odor. The guy (Bill) told me that he could smell it
when he looked at it.
Bill said that 99% of the time the gaskets are not cracked but they need to
replace them anyways to be doubly sure. Bill is under the impression that
the real problem is the one time use bolts on the head gaskets. The factory
specs from what I understand ask the mechanics to tighten the bolts to spec
and then tighten them an extra 270 degrees. Bill thinks that this weakens
the bolts. He isn't certain but he seems to have seen this problem often.
He says this problem is a weakness in the V6 Fords and as yet there has been
no recall. I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem if it as
common as he suggests?

I am still in shock that my baby must be in the shop for the week :( I've
only had her for 4 months but I've grown quite attached.

Thanks,

Robert
'94 Ranger Supercab 4.0L V6 XLT
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:36:51 -0400
From: n5xmt
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger

On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Robert Gilkey wrote:
> More questions about the Ranger with the blown heads...
>=20
> I was talking with the mechanic and apparently he sees this sort of thi=
ng
> often. Where the exhaust leaks into the cooling jacket. Apparently this
> creates a detectable odor. The guy (Bill) told me that he could smell i=
t
> when he looked at it.
> Bill said that 99% of the time the gaskets are not cracked but they nee=
d to
> replace them anyways to be doubly sure. Bill is under the impression th=
at
> the real problem is the one time use bolts on the head gaskets. The fac=
tory
> specs from what I understand ask the mechanics to tighten the bolts to =
spec
> and then tighten them an extra 270 degrees. Bill thinks that this weake=
ns
> the bolts. He isn't certain but he seems to have seen this problem ofte=
n.
> He says this problem is a weakness in the V6 Fords and as yet there has=
been
> no recall. I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem if it as
> common as he suggests?
>

Robert,
It seems your mechanic might be fishing here... he's trying to reel you i=
n hook
line and sinker.
I just called and spoke with my father, who has owned his own garage in t=
he Los
Angeles area for going on 40 years now. He see's plenty of ford 4.0's in=
his
shop, but he says he has only had one need a head gasket, and that was du=
e to=20
overheating (thermostat stuck). The "smell" from a radiator is not evide=
nce
that there is an exhaust leak. The smell of exhaust can drift by from th=
e
tailpipe, an exhaust leak etc. to be absolutely certain, the chemical te=
st
(which you mentioned they said they did in tthe first post... now they sa=
y they
just smell it... should set off an alarm to take it elsewhere!) or an ex=
haust
gas analyzer need to be used. I'm not sure what part of the country you'=
re in,
but if it's Los Angeles, give my father a call... Craig's Automotive in
ElSegundo, CA. (310) 322-2265


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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:17:34 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger

>
> Robert,
> It seems your mechanic might be fishing here... he's trying to reel you in hook
> line and sinker.
> ===========================================================
>
> David Cooley N5XMT

Dishonest mechanics? Never...

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:04:13 -0500
From: "Randy Collins"
Subject: FTE Small - ranger hoods

I went to have a few dents pulled out of my 98 Ranger hood the other day and
the guy told me FoMoCo will replace your aluminum hood with a steel hood due
to a structual defect. If you look closely at many Ranger hoods, you might
see a "honeycomb" pattern starting to form. He said the aluminum just does
not stand up to the wind pounding it when driving down the highway. I've
noticed this before, but just though it was my eyes.

I called the dealership to confirm; they said they will "have to look into
it". The bodyshop manager has seen several trucks with this "honeycomb"
pattern. I will keep you posted. Anyone else see this?

ran


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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:44:24 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ford's got a serious problem!

That's a fantastic idea. Nothing like public humiliation.. that CAN'T be
good for business.

Steve Bozzone
Administrative Director - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://rockzone.com
ICQ: 196843 || AIM: RudeSkam69
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Edward C. Miller
To:
Sent: 27/9/99 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Ford's got a serious problem!


>
>
>I heard a story once of a guy who was going back and forth with a ford
>dealership in DE on a repair. He got so fed up he started parking his
car
>across the street from the dealership with a large sign on the roof stating
" I
>bought this lemon from -------- Ford" Next thing you know they invited him
in
>to get the problem resolved. Just a suggestion.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:48:59 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger

I was told that if you have a lot of white smoke out of your exhaust, it can
be an indicator of a blown head gasket. It's a big job to replace/repair
them.

Good luck - I almost had the same problem with my 88 bii.. it had overheated
but it was only the thermostat.. boy did that make a difference.

Steve Bozzone
Administrative Director - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://rockzone.com
ICQ: 196843 || AIM: RudeSkam69
-- "I see now mankind was not meant to last." [Hatebreed] --


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Wilson
To:
Sent: 27/9/99 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Blown Head Gaskets on a 4.0L Ranger


>>
>> Robert,
>> It seems your mechanic might be fishing here... he's trying to reel you
in hook
>> line and sinker.
>> ===========================================================
>>
>> David Cooley N5XMT
>
>Dishonest mechanics? Never...
>
>--
>Alan Wilson
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:41:57 -0500
From: Christopher J Abele
Subject: FTE Small - Pickup-towing capacities

Does anyone know the towing capacities for the different models of Ranger
from 93-96? I'm looking to pull a 3500 lb trailer with rowing shells but
don't want to tear apart suspension and my engine at the same time. (I
don't have the truck yet, but will be purchasing either a Ranger or F-150....


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