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small-list-digest Wednesday, September 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 238



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In this issue:

FTE Small - re: tailgates
FTE Small - re: 1982 F-100
FTE Small - Muffler
RE: FTE Small - Muffler
Re: FTE Small - Muffler
RE: FTE Small - Muffler
FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update
Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update
Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating!!
Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update
Re: FTE Small - Vacuum assist fuel pumps
Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating!!
Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:55:37 -0400
From: Dwight Varnes
Subject: FTE Small - re: tailgates

> One additional point is that with the tailgate in place you have much
> better structural rigidity in the event of a roll-over or
> accident....

Don't think so. Unless you're driving a Rampage, Rabbit or old unibody
Ford full size the bed is seperate from the cab. Has marginal or no
effect on the structure during a rollover. It certainly won't help
protect you, and the bed sides will likely cave in enough anyway the bed
will be toast.
If you're concerned about rollover safety in a truck, better buy a good
roll-bar. Mini truck cabs aren't exactly the strongest things on the
planet.
- --
Dwight Varnes, insurance appraiser and car nut
1970 124 Spider (restored, mostly)
1986 Audi Coupe GT (bigger engine STILL at machine shop)
1989 VW Jetta GLI 16v (the wife's ride, tired but loyal)
1984 Nissan 4x4 Pickup (SOLD, celebrate with me)
1965 Buick Skylark conv. (unrestored, for sale)
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 99 16:55:39 EDT
From: conan ralvm8.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: FTE Small - re: 1982 F-100

>>As a former full size truck owner, however
>>a ton. and the camper should work well with that truck.

Sandie said the camper weighed 1800lbs empty. That's only 200lbs short of
a whole ton(2000 lbs), not a half ton(1000 lbs).
I'd think twice about using this camper on an F-100.
Ed in NC
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:38:58 -0700
From: "Hans Luckoff"
Subject: FTE Small - Muffler

Does anyone know what turns a muffler and exhaust pipe purple and blue. ( I
know it's heat, but how come). I have a 99 Ranger 3.0 that has 2500 miles
on it and the exhaust turned purple and blue from the muffler ( including
the muffler) back to the tip of the tail pipe, the tip of the tail pipe gets
so hot you can't tough it. Every thing in front of the muffler including the
cat-converter is a normal exhaust pipe color (silver). I also get lousy gas
milage. TIA Hans

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:00:19 -0700
From: Ray Scheidnes
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Muffler

I don't think that the muffler itself should change colors. That doesn't
sound good. I've never noticed a tailpipe that you could touch without
getting burned, so it doesn't surprise me that your exhaust tip is
extrememly hot. The exhaust gases are extrememly hot as they move through
the system, so the whole system is very, very hot.
What kind of gas mileage are you getting with the 3.0? If you're in the mid
to high teens, I think you'd be getting what that motor is capable of. I
think my 4.0 gets somewhere around 20 miles per gallon, but that's after
adding headers, 2.5" exhaust, a free flow muffler and a KKM Motorsport air
induction kit.
How hard do you hammer on your accelerator?

> ----------
> From: Hans Luckoff[SMTP:hguns aviastar.net]
> Reply To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:38 PM
> To: Ford Trucks
> Subject: FTE Small - Muffler
>
> Does anyone know what turns a muffler and exhaust pipe purple and blue. (
> I
> know it's heat, but how come). I have a 99 Ranger 3.0 that has 2500 miles
> on it and the exhaust turned purple and blue from the muffler ( including
> the muffler) back to the tip of the tail pipe, the tip of the tail pipe
> gets
> so hot you can't tough it. Every thing in front of the muffler including
> the
> cat-converter is a normal exhaust pipe color (silver). I also get lousy
> gas
> milage. TIA Hans
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:19:44 -0500
From: "Dennis Thompson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Muffler

> > From: Hans Luckoff[SMTP:hguns aviastar.net]
> > Reply To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:38 PM
> > To: Ford Trucks
> > Subject: FTE Small - Muffler
> >
> > Does anyone know what turns a muffler and exhaust pipe purple and blue.
(
> > I
> > know it's heat, but how come). I have a 99 Ranger 3.0 that has 2500
miles
> > on it and the exhaust turned purple and blue from the muffler
including
> > the muffler) back to the tip of the tail pipe, the tip of the tail pipe
> > gets
> > so hot you can't tough it. Every thing in front of the muffler including
> > the
> > cat-converter is a normal exhaust pipe color (silver). I also get lousy
> > gas
> > milage. TIA Hans

I'm assuming only the tip is chrome and the rest of the exhaust system is
stainless or regular steel.
Chrome does this ( my motorcycle pipes are rainbow hued )
I've heard you can put vinegar on to help this problem? Ask guys who do show
cars, this is a big problem for them.

SPECTRE


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where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a
negative side." Hunter S. Thompson




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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:30:04 -0400
From: "Joe Merchak"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Muffler

I have a 99 Ranger 3.0 and my whole exhaust is still silver. Sounds like
you have a block somewhere causing higher exhaust temps after the cat.

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[mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Hans Luckoff
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 5:39 PM
To: Ford Trucks
Subject: FTE Small - Muffler

Does anyone know what turns a muffler and exhaust pipe purple and blue. ( I
know it's heat, but how come). I have a 99 Ranger 3.0 that has 2500 miles
on it and the exhaust turned purple and blue from the muffler ( including
the muffler) back to the tip of the tail pipe, the tip of the tail pipe gets
so hot you can't tough it. Every thing in front of the muffler including the
cat-converter is a normal exhaust pipe color (silver). I also get lousy gas
milage. TIA Hans

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:43:20 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update

Replaced the thermostat.. now the truck runs on the A/M in NORMAL... a huge
improvement over what it used to read (in the N).
That seemed to be the problem.. but I'm going to keep the water pump in
mind. The radiator cap looks good.

Thanks for the help..

Steve Bozzone
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: David A. Cooley
To:
Sent: 12/9/99 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating!!


>Steve,
>That is water pump time.
>Replace the thermostat and radiator cap while your at it to ensure nothing
>else goes bad.
>
>At 03:14 PM 9/12/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>My BII has always run hot.. always around the N or O in Normal. Just
>>recently the Check Engine light has been flashing on when it starts
getting
>>very hot (in the red)... sometimes the Engine light comes on in unison
with
>>the oil light. I just had the oil changed yesterday.. problem is still
>>there. I was running very hot after a 20 mile drive.. barely made it. I
>>popped the hood, and the hose that goes into the radiator from the reserve
>>was dripping. My radiator was nearly empty.. I had no antifreeze so I
used
>>good old h20 by itself. Let the car sit for 4 hours, then attempted to
>>drive home. On the highway.. had to pull over after 10 miles.. the car
>>turned off, it was past the red... needless to say, it wasn't very happy.
>>Then there was steam like no one's business, followed by boiling in the
>>reserve tank.. brown liquid bubbling out onto the ground. It was a mess.
>>
>>There's also an issue coupled with this: when I turned on the heat in the
>>beginning (before it got incredibly hot), it worked (it blew hot air)
>>However, when It became very hot, the heat did not work anymore.. it blew
>>cool air in. Does this mean something?
>>
>>I had to repeat this process several times before I got back. What should
I
>>be looking for?
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:51:54 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update

At 09:43 PM 9/14/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>Replaced the thermostat.. now the truck runs on the A/M in NORMAL... a huge
>improvement over what it used to read (in the N).
>That seemed to be the problem.. but I'm going to keep the water pump in
>mind. The radiator cap looks good.


Cool!
Glad it wasn't a major problem or ordeal!

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:10:33 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating!!

>>It wouldn't hurt to do
>a compression check as well.

it was done and it was ok

>You re-filled the radiator with straight
>water( I hope the engine was running at the time)

I've heard this from a few people.. why does it need to be running?

thanks for the help.. see my other post on the update of my situation.

regards,


Steve Bozzone
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Scott
To:
Sent: 13/9/99 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating!!


>The thermostat sounds like a good idea to me, but I would wait on the water
>pump. Generally speaking, they work unless they leak. It wouldn't hurt to
do
>a compression check as well. I've been told that the heads don't like to
get
>hot, and they warp when they do. If you found you had no water(antifreeze),
>the question is, where did it go? You re-filled the radiator with straight
>water( I hope the engine was running at the time) and then overheated
again.
>If the heads are warped, the hot gasses escape into the water jackets and
>superheat the cooling system. You wrote that the water that came out when
it
>overheated again was brown. A good flush of the engine and radiator
wouldn't
>hurt either. A good indicator of built up gunk in the cooling system is to
>drain the radiator and look into the fill cap with a flashlight. If you see
>any sort of crust on the ends of the cross tubes, it's time to flush the
>system.
>I hope I've been helpful without bearing bad news.
>joe
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:25:08 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update

>>Cool!
Glad it wasn't a major problem or ordeal!

The mechanic scared me with talk of a possible blown head gasket. He said
white smoke may be a precursor. I do have white smoke from the exhaust..
but only at startup, and after that it doesn't appear again. Sounds like my
good 'ol 2.9 burnin' oil. (I hope!!)

thanks again,

Steve Bozzone
Administrative Director - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://rockzone.com
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: David Cooley
To:
Sent: 14/9/99 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update


>At 09:43 PM 9/14/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>>Replaced the thermostat.. now the truck runs on the A/M in NORMAL... a
huge
>>improvement over what it used to read (in the N).
>>That seemed to be the problem.. but I'm going to keep the water pump in
>>mind. The radiator cap looks good.
>
>
>Cool!
>Glad it wasn't a major problem or ordeal!
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:37:55 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Vacuum assist fuel pumps

Huh,

Not too bad. I like your truck and the 207 K miles. A friend of mine is pushing
400K on the 1989 Ford Ranger 2.9. It leaks/burns loses oil about a half of a
quart across 3 thousand miles... We've gone through a fifth gear and a fourth.
Everything else is alright!

THAT'S IT!!

Adam

Mike Topping wrote:

> At 08:22 PM 9/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >At 04:14 PM 9/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >>What was it posted a few days ago about poor gas milage and the vacuum
> >>link that attaches the fuel line to the engine? Somebody said something
> >>about disconnecting that vacuum line that goes from the intake manifold
> >>to the little black gadget above the high pressure fuel pump.
> >>
> >>I am getting about 14 MPG with new plugs, wires, MSD Ignition, Mobile 1
> >>Tri-synthetic, Flowmasters, 31" BFG and an engine that doesn't leak or
> >>burn any oil...
> >
> >
> >There is a vacuum line that goes to the fuel pressure regulator on the fuel
> >rail. The regulators fail and when they do they usually pump fuel up the
> >vacuum line into the engine.
> >Couldn't be the weight of your foot causing the mileage problem?
>
> Yeah, I've suffered the "engine full of fuel" phenomenon - would have hated
> to have that stuff catch fire after I fixed the regulator - truck smoked
> like a demon - it took me a few minutes to figure out what was going on. I
> guess the engine internals got clean though!
>
> Mike Topping
> 85 Ranger, 207K and still going
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:40:09 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating!!

At 10:10 PM 9/14/1999 -0400, you wrote:
> >You re-filled the radiator with straight
> >water( I hope the engine was running at the time)
>
>I've heard this from a few people.. why does it need to be running?

It needs to be running to circulate the water and mix it with what hot
water is still in the system... Pouring cold water into a hot engine with
no circulation will crack the block and/or heads.
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:41:16 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 bii overheating update

At 10:25 PM 9/14/1999 -0400, you wrote:
> >>Cool!
>Glad it wasn't a major problem or ordeal!
>
>The mechanic scared me with talk of a possible blown head gasket. He said
>white smoke may be a precursor. I do have white smoke from the exhaust..
>but only at startup, and after that it doesn't appear again. Sounds like my
>good 'ol 2.9 burnin' oil. (I hope!!)


Most likely just valve seals... They leak while the engine sits (slowly)
and when you start it up, the oil that had collected on the back of the
valves is burnt and smokes.


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