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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - 1990 2.3 Q's
Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams
Re: [Re: FTE Small - 88 Bronco II sporadically dies]
FTE Small - Annoying signature line.
Re: [Re: FTE Small - 88 Bronco II sporadically dies]
Re: FTE Small - 1990 2.3 Q's
Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams
FTE Small - FTE Small-RE annoying signature line
FTE Small - Steering question
FTE Small - Re: []
FTE Small - mileage query
RE: FTE Small - My annoying sig. line
FTE Small - mileage
Re: FTE Small - mileage
Re: FTE Small - Gibson Exhaust (sorry for late reply)
Re: FTE Small - Steering question
Re: FTE Small - mileage query
FTE Small - displacement
Re: FTE Small - displacement
Re: [Re: FTE Small - 88 Bronco II sporadically dies]
Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams
Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams
Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams
Re: FTE Small - displacement

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:35:28 +0300
From: Bolte Brent
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 1990 2.3 Q's

David,
I'm assuming this is the same sensor they use on the OHV 4.0L used
in the Rangers and Explorers for sensing low oil. Do you know if this is
some type of an optical sensor or does it have some type of mechanical piece
on it to sense that the oil level is low. Something I've always wondered
about.

Thanks, Brent

On Sun, 05 Sep 1999, David A. Cooley wrote:

>>2) The "add oil" light is on constantly, even though it has oil and
>>runs fine with good pressure. What makes this come on, a level sender in
>>the sump?

>Yep.. Sensor screws into the side of the oil pan.
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:39:43 -0700
From: "Tom Ewing"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams

You might consider the Belltech Kits. There are some others as well.
I'm just ordering a Belltech kit from Summit with a front 3inch drop
(dropped I beams) and a rear shackle/hanger modification that
lowers the rear 4inches. Other kits are available as well.
Tom
- -----Original Message-----
From: daner
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 06, 1999 9:24 PM
Subject: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams


>
>
>Does anyone make aftermarket i-beams for Rangers?
>
>I drag race my 5.0L Ext-a-cab and I would like to get the front end
>lighter, so I can transfer some weight.
>
>Daner
>Daner Racing
>Daner
>
>Daner Racing
>www.danerracing.com
>Fastest 5.0L EFI Ext-a-cab Ranger in Canada
>12.612 109.00 mph
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 06:54:14 PDT
From: "Wayne Signs"
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE Small - 88 Bronco II sporadically dies]

Okay, The saga continues...
I am getting spark from the coil to the Distributor.
I am getting no spark out of the distributor.
I have had the ignition module tested, and it is good.
I bought a new distributor and installed it.
There is a disconnected 2 wire connector (1 Yellow/w' Green Stripe wire, 1
Yellow/w' Blue Stripe wire), that I believe is the problem. This connector
is on the same wire harness that goes to the ignition module.
I cannot see a place to connect this connector. Can somebody with a 1988
2.9 Litre (mine is a Bronco II) tell me where this connector goes to????
I used a voltage light(not a multimeter) to see if there is power coming
from the ignition module harness; Going from Black over to the right:
1)No Power
2)Continuous Power
3)Continuous Power
4)Power when key is turned
5)No Power (yellow wire w' Green stripe)
6)No Power
I can take a picture if that helps...
PLEASE HELP!!!!!

P.S.
Great post Tim!


>From: Tim Turner
>Reply-To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: [Re: FTE Small - 88 Bronco II sporadically dies]
>Date: 2 Sep 99 22:36:26 EDT
>
>"Wayne Signs" wrote:
> > Okay, I heard back from the dealership. They are saying it may be the
>Ignition Module
>
>
>Most likely, but still hard to be *sure*, it's good form to replace the
>distributor at the same time as if the pick-up inside is failing it may
>burn
>up the new module in a few weeks.
>
> > (better answer than ENGINE)
>
>MUCH better, but I still dont know how they came up with that diagnosis!
>
> > I will replace a ignition module myself, first
>
>Not hard to do, the bolts involved are 5.5MM head (7/32" will work),
>depending
>on the thickness of your socket you might neet to grind (file?) the bottom
>1/2" or so to a smaller overall diameter to get inside the hole s of the
>module.
>
> > (can you believe he quoted $300 parts/labor to replace this???).
>
>Since they wanted to shotgun an engine at it... yeah. At my shop you could
>have the module, distributor, and some routine services done for that with
>change left over from that $300. (Of course my area has the lowest
>regional labor rates but even at $100/Hr it sounds pretty high; at the $44
>we
>charge I'm umm.. wondering.)
>
> > bought my BII a week ago with the intentions of fixing everything so it
>would be a very reliable vehicle.
>
>I hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine. :-)
>
> > continue today, but the service manager's first comment was "It needs a
>new
>motor, because it has too much blow by". This vehicle has 78,000 miles and
>the engine sounds GREAT!
>
>Time to find a better place to go. Service writers dont need to make more
>than a *very* prelim. diagnosis of the situation and certainly not one of
>that
>magnitude. Remember.. if he was that good at diagnostics he'd be *IN* the
>shop rather than greeting you. (Barring of course cases where good tech's
>became disabled by flying fans, falling engines or any of the myriad of
>hazards faced every day in the shop and is now doing the selling instead
>of
>the wrenching.
>with
>awsome flames and open fuel lines, then after that's all done another
>starts
>*in gear* on the alignment lift.. No real damage to anything, but just like
>having a lift fall onto the safety latch it makes me think about selling
>all
>$15-20K of my equipment and do something else.>) But I digress; forgive
>me.
>:-)
>
> > I am not buying the "New Motor" story.
>
>Nor am I!
>
> > I was expecting one of the following: EGR, O2 Sensor, Catalytic
>converter.
>
>Add fuel pump, FP or main relay, EEC-IV computer itself and any of the
>other
>sensors not mentioned so far; but agreed that the ignition module is
>likely.
>The Ignition coil itself is possible, but I've probably replaced 75 modules
>for every Ford TFI Ign. coil I've seen bad. (Good odds!) ;-)
>
> > Not "New Motor". Anybody have any ideas of what the problem may be from
>experience?
>
>I've shared thoughts from 14 years of doing diagnostics; if possible would
>the
>technician involved tell you the codes he retrieved during testing? Off
>the
>top of my head I'd say that if 14 &/or 18 (? might be faulty memory on the
>18,
>possibly 21/24?) were involved the TFI (ignition) would be the first place
>to
>look. Main words to look for in the code definitions would be SPOUT or PIP
>erratic. (PIP being the signal from the pick up in the distributor and
>SPOUT
>being the modified signal sent to the dizzy from the computer.)
>
>Thanks!!
>
>Hope this helps! Sorry for the length.
>
>Tim
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 07:15:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ed Knight
Subject: FTE Small - Annoying signature line.

Yeah, I think maybe Dwight was being a bit tongue in cheek there, but I had to jab him a little about it...

I am a big fan of the Ranger/Explorer platform. Especially the early Explorers, which had the twin traction beam suspension and a transfer case with a true low range. These are very capable 4x4's and were in fact named Four-Wheeler Of The Year by Four Wheeler magazine in 1990 and 1991. Also the Mercury Mountaineer, Ford Explorer, or Mazda Navajo (I forget which one - all same platform) was named truck of the year by Motor Trend in '91 or '92 (again memory fails me).

I can see the point that a lot of SUV's are getting a bit cushy, but they're still versatile, and at least they're kind of a luxury truck. And the craze about SUV's may be very popular now, but the vehicles have been around for a while, as all you Bronco and Bronco II fans can attest to. I've gotten a lot of good info from this website and also www.explorer4x4.com, and I think we all should enjoy the variety of trucks out there. After all, if we all drove the same thing, it'd get kind of boring wouldn't it?


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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:24:35 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE Small - 88 Bronco II sporadically dies]

You say you are getting spark from the coil to the distributor?
Then the problem isn't on the primary side (modules etc)
Most likely cause is a rotor that has burnt a carbon hole thru the center
so it arcs to the shaft, or a cap with a carbon track to the distributor
housing.
You bought a new distributor also... Distributors I have bought new came
without cap and rotor... you re-used the old ones and the symprom is the
same? see above.


At 06:54 AM 9/7/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Okay, The saga continues...
>I am getting spark from the coil to the Distributor.
>I am getting no spark out of the distributor.
>I have had the ignition module tested, and it is good.
>I bought a new distributor and installed it.
>There is a disconnected 2 wire connector (1 Yellow/w' Green Stripe wire, 1
>Yellow/w' Blue Stripe wire), that I believe is the problem. This
>connector is on the same wire harness that goes to the ignition module.
>I cannot see a place to connect this connector. Can somebody with a 1988
>2.9 Litre (mine is a Bronco II) tell me where this connector goes to????
>I used a voltage light(not a multimeter) to see if there is power coming
>from the ignition module harness; Going from Black over to the right:
>1)No Power
>2)Continuous Power
>3)Continuous Power
>4)Power when key is turned
>5)No Power (yellow wire w' Green stripe)
>6)No Power
>I can take a picture if that helps...

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:19:27 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 1990 2.3 Q's

At 03:35 PM 9/7/1999 +0300, you wrote:
>David,
> I'm assuming this is the same sensor they use on the OHV 4.0L used
>in the Rangers and Explorers for sensing low oil. Do you know if this is
>some type of an optical sensor or does it have some type of mechanical piece
>on it to sense that the oil level is low. Something I've always wondered
>about.

I'm pretty sure it's the same sensor, but I can't be 100 % positive... Also
wondered what type of sensor it is... Never been brave enough to pull it out!
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:09:56 -0400
From: daner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams

But I don't necessarily want to drop the front end - I just want to drop
(lose) the heavy
stock I-beam, and lighten up the front end, but retain the stock height.



At 07:39 AM 9/7/99 -0700, you wrote:
>You might consider the Belltech Kits. There are some others as well.
>I'm just ordering a Belltech kit from Summit with a front 3inch drop
>(dropped I beams) and a rear shackle/hanger modification that
>lowers the rear 4inches. Other kits are available as well.
>Tom
>-----Original Message-----
>From: daner
>To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, September 06, 1999 9:24 PM
>Subject: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams
>
>
>>
>>
>>Does anyone make aftermarket i-beams for Rangers?
>>
>>I drag race my 5.0L Ext-a-cab and I would like to get the front end
>>lighter, so I can transfer some weight.
>>
>>Daner
>>Daner Racing
>>Daner
>>
>>Daner Racing
>>www.danerracing.com
>>Fastest 5.0L EFI Ext-a-cab Ranger in Canada
>>12.612 109.00 mph
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:03:40 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - FTE Small-RE annoying signature line

and I think we all should enjoy the variety of trucks out there. After all,
if we all drove the same thing, it'd get kind of boring wouldn't it?


carolina_express go.com


Yeah it would.. not tomention it would be one heck of a time tryin to find
your truck in the shopping mall parking lot in the upcoming holiday season!!!!
Bob
ROlson1039 aol.com
99 Ranger 2wd
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:10:43 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - Steering question

Ok gang
I just bought a 1999 Ranger 2WD with the four cylinder motor. shes only two
weeks old and ive been driving all over.. (862 miles on it already) the
problme is that once in a while i get a terrible groaning noise out of the
steering ( ITs power steering) no matter which way i turn the wheel. It is
bad at a stop when turning the wheel but if im moving its not as bad the
faster youre moving at a turn. and about the turning speed there is no
noise at all. This noise comes and goes and can last whether the truck is
warm or cold, and has lasted as long as a day and a half. While the thing is
noisy, i am still able to turn the wheel with about as much ease as when the
noise isnt there. Ive also checked and its not the factory mud flaps on it
doing this. My question is this normal during break in?? I brought the truck
past my local dealer but being the noise wasnt happening at the time the
dealer told me to drive the truck until its making the noise if it comes back
and let them check it out then.. What do y'all think??
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Date: 7 Sep 99 18:42:27 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: FTE Small - Re: []

wagert us.ibm.com wrote:
> i have a 95 ranger xlt.. the problem i'm having is with the door ajar a=
larm
remaining on after the car has been sitting in the sun for a period of ti=
me..

> i found a tsb at the nhtsa web

> this seems to fit my problem.. =


If someone hasn't already answered this by tomorrow I'll try to look it u=
p at
work.

Tim


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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:53:40 -0400
From: "Will Brown"
Subject: FTE Small - mileage query

94 Ranger 2.3l (aka the 4 banger with 8 spark plugs)

what kinda mileage you folks getting? I'm getting 23-24, and don't
think my lead foot is that bad (commuter traffic) - thinking the o2
sensor has gone south...

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:25:49 -0500
From: "Anthony Rio"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - My annoying sig. line

Hmm... I'll vote Jeep TJ w\ dana 44 rear and 30" tire package. IMHO it's
more about driver than equipment.

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:42:32 PDT
From: "Matt Hilliard"
Subject: FTE Small - mileage

I own a 92 Ranger with the 2.3 and that is what I average depending on how
much I cruise town.


Moose

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:00:08 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - mileage

heck thats way better than what im figuring im getting in NYC with a 1999
Ranger 2WD with the 2.5... but im less than 1000 miles and they say dont even
think of figuring fuel economy for 5000 miles
Bob
ROlson1039 aol.com
99 Ranger 2WD
97 Caravan SE
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:35:47 -0400
From: "Anthony Rifici"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Gibson Exhaust (sorry for late reply)

I hope the topic is still active, I moved a week ago and just unpacked
the computer (78 new FTE messages).
I just put a Gibson cat-back on my '94 Ranger 4.0L. It is a 2.5"
mandrel bent, single exit. The difference between the size of the Gibson
and the stock pipe is staggering. It looks like a sewer pipe next to it.
As far as sound goes, it is very very deep and throaty, especially between
idle and 3000 RPM. Beyond 3000, it doesn't sound much different than stock
(in the truck, outside is another story). Unfortunately our trucks spend
alot of time in the 2-3000 RPM range (freeway driving) and that is where the
low frequency content is most noticeable. I am not sure how I feel about it
yet, however I hear that most performance exhaust systems exhibit the same
characteristics.
Performance is noticeably better, but not drastic. I was suprised to
find that most of the improvement seems to be at the low end. I expected
the opposite. That may have something to do with the fact that I still have
the very restrictive stock air intake (soon to be replaced).
It is still too early for me to recommend or not recommend the system.
A few more miles will tell.

Good Luck,
Tony
94 Ranger Supercab, 4.0L, 5-Speed


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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:03:06 -0700
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Steering question

ROlson1039 aol.com wrote:
>
> Ok gang
> I just bought a 1999 Ranger 2WD with the four cylinder motor. shes only two
> weeks old and ive been driving all over.. (862 miles on it already) the
> problme is that once in a while i get a terrible groaning noise out of the
> steering ( ITs power steering) no matter which way i turn the wheel. It is
> bad at a stop when turning the wheel but if im moving its not as bad the
> faster youre moving at a turn. and about the turning speed there is no
> noise at all. This noise comes and goes and can last whether the truck is
> warm or cold, and has lasted as long as a day and a half. While the thing is
> noisy, i am still able to turn the wheel with about as much ease as when the
> noise isnt there. Ive also checked and its not the factory mud flaps on it
> doing this. My question is this normal during break in?? I brought the truck
> past my local dealer but being the noise wasnt happening at the time the
> dealer told me to drive the truck until its making the noise if it comes back
> and let them check it out then.. What do y'all think??

Hi There:

I get that from time to time on my 1999 Mazda B2500 2WD 4 cylinder
along with a few other strange sounding things from time to
time and I have 9,000 miles on mine. I've decided to live with
most of this stuff until I feel lucky and bring the dealer in on
it as the stories I've heard about the dealers leaves me with
little confidence in them. I guess you know that our trucks are
the same except for the name.

Michael
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:09:18 -0700
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - mileage query

Will Brown wrote:
>
> 94 Ranger 2.3l (aka the 4 banger with 8 spark plugs)
>
> what kinda mileage you folks getting? I'm getting 23-24, and don't
> think my lead foot is that bad (commuter traffic) - thinking the o2
> sensor has gone south...

I get less than 19 with my 1999 Mazda B2500 2.5L 4 cylinder
with eight plugs. I have 9000 miles on it at this point and
I thought I was doing good.

Michael
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:39:44 +0100
From: Andrew Collins
Subject: FTE Small - displacement

I have a 1989 Ford Ranger XLT V4 what is it's size?
2 liters?
Andy

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 23:55:52 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - displacement

At 04:39 AM 9/8/99 +0100, you wrote:
>I have a 1989 Ford Ranger XLT V4 what is it's size?
>2 liters?


There is no V4... It's an inline 4 and it's most likely a 2.3L or 2.5 L

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:26:45 -0700
From: "Tom Ewing"
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE Small - 88 Bronco II sporadically dies]

You mentioned that you're not getting any spark out of the distributor?
Just from my own personal experience--meaning no reflection on you,
but have you checked the basics? Are the spark plug wires pushed
down properly into the distributor cap? I missed this once and it went on
for days.
Tom

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:08:10 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams

why yes they do a company named CAMBURG OFF ROAD and fab tech make them=20
they are wider and set up for increased
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:10:07 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams

OOOOOOOOOOOHHH ! u want to lower it ok
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:11:41 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Aftermarket I-beams

just wondering ? why would u want to lightin it ?
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