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small-list-digest Wednesday, August 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 203



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In this issue:

FTE Small - Ford and Harley-Davidson Unveil Limited Edition 2000 F-150 Pickup Truck
RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light
RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light
RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light
RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light
RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light
Re: FTE Small - Hi Im new here
Re: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..
Re: FTE Small - Smog Pump
Re: FTE Small - Shudder in Bronco 2
Re: FTE Small - Shoddy service

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:07:28 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Small - Ford and Harley-Davidson Unveil Limited Edition 2000 F-150 Pickup Truck

For those that aren't aware of this, Ford Truck Enthusiasts has
press privileges and access to Ford Motor Company's press agent
site. We update this news section of the web site regularly
with Ford press releases.

Normally, we don't announce any press releases on the lists but
today we have one that might be of interest to many of you:

Ford and Harley-Davidson Unveil Limited Edition 2000 F-150
Pickup Truck

If you go to the main web site page:

http://www.ford-trucks.com

...you'll find the link to the news section on the right hand
side of the screen under a newspaper pic.

Later,
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:21:23 -0500
From: "Campbell, Carl "
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light

Tim:
I'm the one who originally posted the problem with the brake warning lights.
I still haven't been able to solve this problem (i.e. REAR ANTILOCK and
BRAKE lamps lit all of the time). To recap, I replaced the master cylinder
on my 88 BII XLT (with RABS) about a month ago. All I needed was the
reservoir, but, I found I had to buy the master cylinder and reservoir
together. After carefully installing the assembly and after thoroughly
bleeding the system (TWICE), these warning lamps remain lit. I attempted to
read the "flash out" error code by shorting the "diagnostic" lead on the
RABS module, but, no flash occurred (REAR ANTILOCK remained solidly lit).
My Chilton manual has a table that says this is an "error code 0" but
doesn't say what that means. Another interesting thing about this is that
when I disconnect the fluid level sensor on the reservoir, the red BRAKE
lamp goes out but the yellow REAR ANTILOCK stays lit. Any ideas?? I would
love to solve this one and share it with the list as I know there are others
with this problem.
Carl

> ----------
> From: Tim Turner[SMTP:manic1 bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 10:17 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Small - Brake warning light
>
>
>
> Mike Harms wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. I wonder if this procedure was added in the 90's due to so
> > many people having trouble bleeding all of the air out of the system.
> Since
> > I don't have time to work on my vehicle all the time myself I often
> listen
> > in on a local radio car repair call in show on the weekends and I think
> one
> > of the top calls is on late model cars (89 - 97) and bleeding brakes on
> > anti-lock systems. Seems to be a real problem getting all of the air
> out.
>
> Yep.. every ABS system has it's own strange way of wanting to be bled.
> some require special tools or equipment also. Horse S*(t if you ask
> me. I dont mind the controls designed to save us from ourselves so much
> but the cost of repair is ridiculous. I'm always amazed that $500+
> repairs (in differing areas) get sold routinely at the shop. For that
> kind of money I'll find another vehicle! (Or slowly repair the original
> vehicle if I like it.)
>
> Tim
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:29:23 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light

At 10:21 AM 8/10/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Tim:
>I'm the one who originally posted the problem with the brake warning lights.
>I still haven't been able to solve this problem (i.e. REAR ANTILOCK and
>BRAKE lamps lit all of the time). To recap, I replaced the master cylinder
>on my 88 BII XLT (with RABS) about a month ago. All I needed was the
>reservoir, but, I found I had to buy the master cylinder and reservoir
>together. After carefully installing the assembly and after thoroughly
>bleeding the system (TWICE), these warning lamps remain lit. I attempted to
>read the "flash out" error code by shorting the "diagnostic" lead on the
>RABS module, but, no flash occurred (REAR ANTILOCK remained solidly lit).
>My Chilton manual has a table that says this is an "error code 0" but
>doesn't say what that means. Another interesting thing about this is that
>when I disconnect the fluid level sensor on the reservoir, the red BRAKE
>lamp goes out but the yellow REAR ANTILOCK stays lit. Any ideas?? I would
>love to solve this one and share it with the list as I know there are others
>with this problem.

Carl,
Could it be the level sensor is the wrong one for your year?
Maybe the stock one is Normally open and closes when the level is OK, and
this one is normally closed and opens when the level is OK.
I believe Code 0 means a defective ABS module (computer).
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Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:03:12 -0500
From: "Campbell, Carl "
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light

David:
It's possible that I have an incorrect sensor, however it's unlikely. I
bought this assembly from a major Ford Truck dealership here. Also, I
reconnected the old sensor with the reservoir up-side-down to emmulate a
"fluid full" condition, NO CHANGE. I wonder how changing the master
cylinder could cause the RABS module to go bad unless it was a coincidence.
Anyway, I'll keep plugging 'til I find it. One thing I do know is that the
system was working before (NO LIGHTS).
Carl

> ----------
> From: David Cooley[SMTP:n5xmt bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 10:29 AM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light
>
> At 10:21 AM 8/10/1999 -0500, you wrote:
> >Tim:
> >I'm the one who originally posted the problem with the brake warning
> lights.
> >I still haven't been able to solve this problem (i.e. REAR ANTILOCK and
> >BRAKE lamps lit all of the time). To recap, I replaced the master
> cylinder
> >on my 88 BII XLT (with RABS) about a month ago. All I needed was the
> >reservoir, but, I found I had to buy the master cylinder and reservoir
> >together. After carefully installing the assembly and after thoroughly
> >bleeding the system (TWICE), these warning lamps remain lit. I attempted
> to
> >read the "flash out" error code by shorting the "diagnostic" lead on the
> >RABS module, but, no flash occurred (REAR ANTILOCK remained solidly lit).
> >My Chilton manual has a table that says this is an "error code 0" but
> >doesn't say what that means. Another interesting thing about this is
> that
> >when I disconnect the fluid level sensor on the reservoir, the red BRAKE
> >lamp goes out but the yellow REAR ANTILOCK stays lit. Any ideas?? I
> would
> >love to solve this one and share it with the list as I know there are
> others
> >with this problem.
>
> Carl,
> Could it be the level sensor is the wrong one for your year?
> Maybe the stock one is Normally open and closes when the level is OK, and
> this one is normally closed and opens when the level is OK.
> I believe Code 0 means a defective ABS module (computer).
> ===========================================================
> David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
> Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
> ===========================================================
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:35:03 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light

At 11:03 AM 8/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>David:
>It's possible that I have an incorrect sensor, however it's unlikely. I
>bought this assembly from a major Ford Truck dealership here. Also, I
>reconnected the old sensor with the reservoir up-side-down to emmulate a
>"fluid full" condition, NO CHANGE. I wonder how changing the master
>cylinder could cause the RABS module to go bad unless it was a coincidence.
>Anyway, I'll keep plugging 'til I find it. One thing I do know is that the
>system was working before (NO LIGHTS).


Hmm... is the connector keyed? Maybe one side is grounded possibly?
Nothing in the harness is pinched between the firewall and master
cyl/booster assy?
Could be the module just decided to die, but that shouldn't affect the
level sensor.

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David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they didn't?!
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:39:16 -0500
From: "Campbell, Carl "
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light

David:
The connector is keyed. Is it possible that, when I disconnected the fluid
level sensor, an error condition was set in the RABS module that has to be
reset? I wonder if disconnecting the battery would act as a reset. Does
anybody know? Guess I'll try that next. The module appears to self test when
starting the vehicle in that the REAR ANTILOCK lamp comes on for approx. 1
second, then goes out for approx. 2 seconds, then comes back on. The BRAKE
lamp stays on at all times UNLESS I disconnect the fluid level sensor.


> ----------
> From: David A. Cooley[SMTP:n5xmt bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 11:35 AM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE Small - Brake warning light
>
> At 11:03 AM 8/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >David:
> >It's possible that I have an incorrect sensor, however it's unlikely. I
> >bought this assembly from a major Ford Truck dealership here. Also, I
> >reconnected the old sensor with the reservoir up-side-down to emmulate a
> >"fluid full" condition, NO CHANGE. I wonder how changing the master
> >cylinder could cause the RABS module to go bad unless it was a
> coincidence.
> >Anyway, I'll keep plugging 'til I find it. One thing I do know is that
> the
> >system was working before (NO LIGHTS).
>
>
> Hmm... is the connector keyed? Maybe one side is grounded possibly?
> Nothing in the harness is pinched between the firewall and master
> cyl/booster assy?
> Could be the module just decided to die, but that shouldn't affect the
> level sensor.
>
> ===========================================================
> David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
> Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they
> didn't?!
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:05:07 GMT
From: paepkef net-link.net (Frederick Paepke)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Hi Im new here

On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:59:50 EDT, you wrote:

>And lastly the truck im getting is a 1999 118" wheel base with XLT trim,=
=20
>cassette radio, spare tire lock, o/d trans, 4.10 axel,sliding rear =
window,=20
>power equipment group and california emissions for $16500 does this =
sound=20
>like a good deal??

I bought what sounds very similar (without the power equipment group &
california emissions) for $14100 a few weeks ago in southern Michigan (it=
listed
at $15,300). $16500 for the truck you're looking at sounds like it could =
be list
price. Talking 'em down shouldn't be too much of a problem since they'll =
want to
move the '99s to make room for the '00s.

Just my 2 cents,

=46red.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:58:23 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..

Adam McLaughlin wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Well, it was back there again this morning when I went off to visit a
> friend's house. The chattery feeling as though the rear end is popping
> when I let out the clutch.

I don't know why I didn't think of this last time around.. brain fade
from mail burnout I guess. Leaky rear seal putting oil on the clutch
while it sits is a good possibility.

Tim
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:10:02 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Smog Pump

David Cooley wrote:
>
> At 01:01 AM 7/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Anyone know anything about the smog pump in the 2.9L EFI V6 or how I can go
> >about disconnecting it? I've heard rumors that it could help gas
> >mileage...
>
> Don't waste your time... It's just a rumor.
> The smog pump takes less than 1/10 HP to run and blows air into the exhaust
> and catalytic convertor.

Quite correct on both counts. Air to the exhaust to warm up the
converter and O2 when cold and to the exhaust ports/air cleaner
depending on conditions.

> Removing or disabling it will actually make the convertor fail in short
> order due to the lack of oxygen necessary for it's functioning.

Maybe not "short" order, but certainly in a sooner time.

In the (very) early '70s all the 'smog' stuff may have indeed stifled
the engine, but after about '81 or so you'll be taking a step backwards
to disable most controls without other modifications. Example: Pull
the hose off the EGR valve and see how much it spark knocks; to get rid
rid of it you'll reduce the timing... there goes power and MPG.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:21:31 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Shudder in Bronco 2

Larry Brown wrote:
>
> Help, I have been trying to find the cause of a shudder in my 84 Bronco 2
> 4WD. It occurs when I am pulling away from curbs or making a turn from a
> stop, it is more pronounced turning to the left than the right (or at least
> I notice it more). I have changed the shocks, inspected the u-joints and
> bushings and have not found any noticeable slack. I don't want to just start
> changing out parts to find this but am about to just to get rid of it.
> Any suggestions would be great.
> Larry

I know you said you checked the U-joints, but did that include the front
axle? My inner passenger side joint on the front is bad and gives me
'odd' effects even in 2WD. ('85 B-II)

>
> You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline.
> It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons,
> but at the very least you need a beer.
> --Frank Zappa

What song/album? I've got a lot of FZ but hadn't heard that one! I
like it. :-)

"White port, Lemon juice; oooh what it'll do to you" FZ

Tim
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:27:06 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Shoddy service

Neil Brownlee wrote:
>
> As some of you will remember, I am having a frame up rebuild done on my UK....


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