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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Re: 99 Explorer Message Center Accuracy
FTE Small - 1997 Ford Explorer XLT Spark Plugs
FTE Small - Forwarded for David Cooley
RE: FTE Small - Re: 99 Explorer Message Center Accuracy
FTE Small - Explorer Update 2 - Engine Codes
Re: FTE Small - 1997 Ford Explorer XLT Spark Plugs
FTE Small - R-12 to R-134a
FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..
RE: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..
Re: FTE Small - Oil Guages
Re: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..
Re: FTE Small - Electric Fan

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 06:16:25 -0700
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: 99 Explorer Message Center Accuracy

At 07:17 PM 8/8/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi: New to the list. My second Explorer, '99 Limited, has a "Message
>Center" in the console that claims to track mileage and fuel usage among
>other things. Mine is anywhere from close to 22% low on fuel usage
>which makes the rest of the calculations it performs useless. Ford
>checks and says it is within the +/- 10% which passes muster for them.
>Is this REALLY the low bar they set for themselves ? If I use 15
>gallons, my truck might say it used 13.5 or 16.5 and still make Ford
>happy. Any experience out there with getting the fuel consumption
>tracking system accurate ? Not a big deal, but a nice toy.


On my 97 Eddie Bauer, the fuel used, average MPG etc have been within 2% of
a fillup and calculated MPG on my 7300 mile round trip to CA.


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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:55:09 -0400
From: "Tarun"
Subject: FTE Small - 1997 Ford Explorer XLT Spark Plugs

I had the wires changed in my truck and have a hunch that the wires are not
connected to their original locations. The guy that changed them was not
playing with a full deck.... If they were cross connected would the vehicle
start? Second...what if most of them were connected properly and two were
not....would it then start?
I am trying to find a map that will tell me which wire goes to which part on
the harness.

Basically from the passenger side.....front plug to which socked on
cap.......middle plug to which socket....and last plug to which socket?

I am sure you guys are quite busy but please try and help me out.

This is my first SUV and First FORD....I am a TAD bit nervous.

THANKS..

- -Tarun


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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 07:44:20 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE Small - Forwarded for David Cooley

Forwarded for David Cooley

Hi All,
An update to the trans saga in my 97 Explorer...
As you may remember, the 5 speed auto was being a bear... they rebuilt it
twice with the same problem... Had to leave for vacation on the 23rd, and
they said "We're sorry, we cannot fix it. Don't know what to tell
you". Made a few calls to their corporate office, and 20 minutes later,
the dodge dealer called and said they would c*ncel the deal on the 97 XLT
and eat the car, and come on down to pick another one for a
replacement. Went down and the only explorers they had were 96's with
20,000 more miles... Saw a peep of an Eddie Bauer back hidden on the lot...
went and looked at it, and it was a 97 with 33K on it... It was also a V8..
AHA.. no more 5 speed auto!
Took that one and drove it round trip to CA... 7300 miles in all with the
only problems being the front end was out and ate both front tires... got
it aligned and replaced the front tires. Got 19MPG average for the whole
trip (My V6 was only getting 15 on the freeway...) averaging 75MPH.
The A/C (Electronic controls) had a problem... once it got close to the set
temp, it would blow 200 degree hot air from the heater then back to ice
from the A/C... found a TSB... seems Ford put the wrong blend door
actuators in and they bind up. Going to buy the proper one and install
it. Temporary fix was to use a nylon wire tie on the heater water valve
under the hood to hold it closed.
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:22 -0700
From: "Andrew Chung"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Re: 99 Explorer Message Center Accuracy

My trip computer on the LONG average, is only off about 3.32% for the
gallons used, but on individual fill-ups I've been off up
to -15.62%/+10.52%. I believe the fill up amount may be variable with what
type of fuel pump you use. I've noticed differences at different pumps of
when the vapor capture device will report to the pump that the tank is full.
If you go to the same station, this should be a moot point.

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From: owner-small-list ford-trucks.com
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Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 06:16
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: 99 Explorer Message Center Accuracy


At 07:17 PM 8/8/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi: New to the list. My second Explorer, '99 Limited, has a "Message
>Center" in the console that claims to track mileage and fuel usage among
>other things. Mine is anywhere from close to 22% low on fuel usage
>which makes the rest of the calculations it performs useless. Ford
>checks and says it is within the +/- 10% which passes muster for them.
>Is this REALLY the low bar they set for themselves ? If I use 15
>gallons, my truck might say it used 13.5 or 16.5 and still make Ford
>happy. Any experience out there with getting the fuel consumption
>tracking system accurate ? Not a big deal, but a nice toy.


On my 97 Eddie Bauer, the fuel used, average MPG etc have been within 2% of
a fillup and calculated MPG on my 7300 mile round trip to CA.


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Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:52:32 +0100
From: "Neil Brownlee"
Subject: FTE Small - Explorer Update 2 - Engine Codes

The error codes were :- P0171 and P0174. The garage now say there is a bad
earth in the module. Is this B*llsh*t or what?

Neil



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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:14:10 -0400
From: Phil Snider
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 1997 Ford Explorer XLT Spark Plugs

I can give you my experience of crossed wires on a Chevy. Yes, it will start
and run....and it will feel like it's got a miss.

Phil


Tarun wrote:

> I had the wires changed in my truck and have a hunch that the wires are not
> connected to their original locations. The guy that changed them was not
> playing with a full deck.... If they were cross connected would the vehicle
> start? Second...what if most of them were connected properly and two were
> not....would it then start?
> I am trying to find a map that will tell me which wire goes to which part on
> the harness.
>
> Basically from the passenger side.....front plug to which socked on
> cap.......middle plug to which socket....and last plug to which socket?
>
> I am sure you guys are quite busy but please try and help me out.
>
> This is my first SUV and First FORD....I am a TAD bit nervous.
>
> THANKS..
>
> -Tarun
>
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:25:08 PDT
From: "Michael Krause"
Subject: FTE Small - R-12 to R-134a

Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone has done the conversion from the
R-12 to the R-134a. Is it much of a task to do it yourself?? I have a '91
Explorer and my A/C's been giving me problems lately, and I'm looking for
something better and more reliable. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Mike

PS. Ken, if you find a good deal on the electric fans for your '91, give me
a hollar.


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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:15:54 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..

Hi,

Well, it was back there again this morning when I went off to visit a
friend's house. The chattery feeling as though the rear end is popping
when I let out the clutch. This happens when the rig is cold, and goes
away within a mile of starting out. So far we have replaced he clutch,
flywheel, driveshaft and rear pumpkin. Yesterday I flushed and bled the
brakes, and out came some very very dirty goo....

Someone suggested that I may have a ballooned brake line in the rear
system. There is only one rubber brake line on the rear end, it goes
from the body to the top of the rear pumpkin. I felt it, and I was
unable to pinch it or compress it any along the entire length of the
hose. Could that hose still be bad if I can't scrunch it with my
fingers?

Does anyone else have any other suggestions?

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:44:45 -0400
From: Stephen Campbell
Subject: RE: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..

just a guess, and an uneducated one at that. I am assuming that the clutch
is hydraulic. does the fluid ever go down? if so, maybe the master
cylinder on the clutch is leaking a bit of fluid onto the clutch plate while
it sits, and it is grabby in the morning when you take off until it burns
off. but i am also assuming they replaced this with the clutch?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam McLaughlin [SMTP:kd6poc jps.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 3:16 PM
> To: small list
> Subject: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Well, it was back there again this morning when I went off to visit a
> friend's house. The chattery feeling as though the rear end is popping
> when I let out the clutch. This happens when the rig is cold, and goes
> away within a mile of starting out. So far we have replaced he clutch,
> flywheel, driveshaft and rear pumpkin. Yesterday I flushed and bled the
> brakes, and out came some very very dirty goo....
>
> Someone suggested that I may have a ballooned brake line in the rear
> system. There is only one rubber brake line on the rear end, it goes
> from the body to the top of the rear pumpkin. I felt it, and I was
> unable to pinch it or compress it any along the entire length of the
> hose. Could that hose still be bad if I can't scrunch it with my
> fingers?
>
> Does anyone else have any other suggestions?
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:17:11 -0700
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Oil Guages

>
> Has anyone tried installing an aftermarket oil guage to their Ford 2.9?
> I would like to put one in mine, but am having a devil of a time finding
> the spot toi install it. Any ideas or suggestions?
>
In my '88 Ranger, I removed the ashtray and the bracket that it mounts in.
Using angle backets, I was able to mount two Autometer guages in the hole.
I angled the guages slightly toward the driver and it's a perfect fit.

- -- Don
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:23:43 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..

Yes, I paid the shop to replace the clutch for me, along with the master and the
slave. The only reason that we ever got into the clutch was because the slave
was leaking.... I do not ever see the fluid level in the clutch resevoir to go
down...

If rear drums are wearing out, would they grab like that?

Adam

Stephen Campbell wrote:

> just a guess, and an uneducated one at that. I am assuming that the clutch
> is hydraulic. does the fluid ever go down? if so, maybe the master
> cylinder on the clutch is leaking a bit of fluid onto the clutch plate while
> it sits, and it is grabby in the morning when you take off until it burns
> off. but i am also assuming they replaced this with the clutch?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adam McLaughlin [SMTP:kd6poc jps.net]
> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 3:16 PM
> > To: small list
> > Subject: FTE Small - The 1988 B-II with the chattery start..
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Well, it was back there again this morning when I went off to visit a
> > friend's house. The chattery feeling as though the rear end is popping
> > when I let out the clutch. This happens when the rig is cold, and goes
> > away within a mile of starting out. So far we have replaced he clutch,
> > flywheel, driveshaft and rear pumpkin. Yesterday I flushed and bled the
> > brakes, and out came some very very dirty goo....
> >
> > Someone suggested that I may have a ballooned brake line in the rear
> > system. There is only one rubber brake line on the rear end, it goes
> > from the body to the top of the rear pumpkin. I felt it, and I was
> > unable to pinch it or compress it any along the entire length of the
> > hose. Could that hose still be bad if I can't scrunch it with my
> > fingers?
> >
> > Does anyone else have any other suggestions?
> >
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:52:50 EDT
From: Zman959095 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Electric Fan

If you're going to do it make sure you get what the box calls for. In my
case, I have a 93 Ranger 4.0 without A/C and I put 1 16" electric on it.
Gain good power from the switch but now I'm having a hell of a time trying to
make it so it stays cool and doesn't fluxuate temp. so much. The other
problem I've noticed is the voltage drops if I'm sitting still at a read....

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