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In this issue:

FTE Small - Oil Guages
FTE Small - RE: list activity
FTE Small - Re: Electric Fan
Re: FTE Small - 88 BII 4x4 auto -- Not shifting + dash noise
FTE Small - 98 Explorer - UPDATE
FTE Small - Hi Im new here
FTE Small - 99 Ranger 4l litre
RE :FTE Small - list activity
Re: FTE Small - 98 Explorer - UPDATE
Re: FTE Small - Oil Guages
FTE Small - Re: Brake bleeding & techs
Re: FTE Small - Brake warning light
RE: FTE Small - Re: Brake bleeding & techs
Re: FTE Small - touch drive computer
Re: FTE Small - Ticking Noise
Re: FTE Small - The B-II with the chattery start....
Re: FTE Small - Switched 12 V outlet - Ranger
Re: FTE Small - Speedo error
Re: FTE Small - 99 Ranger 4l litre
Re: FTE Small - The B-II with the chattery start....

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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 09:24:24 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: FTE Small - Oil Guages

Has anyone tried installing an aftermarket oil guage to their Ford 2.9?
I would like to put one in mine, but am having a devil of a time finding
the spot toi install it. Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,

Adam

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:46:33 -0400
From: "Harry T."
Subject: FTE Small - RE: list activity

It's Summertime. People go on vacations.

Harry

*> -----Original Message-----
*> From: doggfarm erols.com
*>
*> What happened to this list?
snip
*> is nobody here.
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:47:32 -0400
From: "Harry T."
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Electric Fan

Electric fan kits can be found at many auto parts stores, including Discount
Auto Parts and your favorite local vendor, and mail order from Summit Racing,
Jeg's and many more. These are not hard to find items.
I have one car with a pair of electrics and a thermostatic switch. All
components were sourced locally. Follow the included directions in the box.
Easy-peasy.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.summitracing.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~scottsfans/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jegs.com/

Harry
'90 B2

*> -----Original Message-----
*> From: "Kenneth St. John"

*> Has anyone ever removed their existing "Belt driven fan" and
*> replaced it with an electric one? I have a '91 Explorer and would
*> like to give this a try. Also, any suggestions on where to purchase this?

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:09:08 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 88 BII 4x4 auto -- Not shifting + dash noise

Thanks for the help, the mechanic put a new rod in there, he also said the
linkage was very rusted, so he cleaned that up as well.

>>As far as your dash rumble, does it sound like
something is loose under the dash or is it more like drive line noise?

It's a low rumble/murmur. It doesn't sound like anything loose, more like a
vibrating noise. I've also noticed a great source of heat coming from where
the noise seems to be occuring (in the middle dash) near the floor.

Steve Bozzone
Administrative Director - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://rockzone.com
ICQ: 196843 || AIM: RudeSkam69
-- "I see now mankind was not meant to last." [Hatebreed] --


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Campbell, Carl
To:
Sent: 04/8/99 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: FTE Small - 88 BII 4x4 auto -- Not shifting + dash noise


>Hi Stephen:
>I had the same thing happen to my 88 BII XLT auto about two years ago.
>Here's what I found. In the shifter mechanism there is a safety pawl that
>releases when you press the button. Where the release shaft meets the pawl,
>wear occurs over time and the pawl won't travel far enough to clear the
>teeth that it engages in while in PARK. I removed the pawl, shaft, and
>retaining spring on mine and it works just fine. It's located where the
>shifter handle meets the floor. You'll have to remove the boot and housing
>to get to it. (four Phillips screws). You won't be able to remove the
boot
>completely without disassembling the shifter but I was able to move the
boot
>far enough out of the way without taking it completely off. Bear in mind
>that, once the pawl is removed, it will no longer be necessary to push the
>button to shift into REVERSE or PARK, therefor, care must be taken that the
>shifter doesn't get accidentally kicked into REVERSE or PARK while the
>vehicle is in motion. As far as your dash rumble, does it sound like
>something is loose under the dash or is it more like drive line noise?
>
>> ----------
>> From: Stephen Bozzone[SMTP:editor rockzone.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 10:32 AM
>> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>> Cc: 410 jamie fortune
>> Subject: FTE Small - 88 BII 4x4 auto -- Not shifting + dash noise
>>
>> Just yesterday, ready to leave, I started up and attempted to shift in
>> reverse. No go. The shifter seemed a little looser than normal, so did
>> the
>> button. It simply would not budge out of P, even with additional force.
>> I
>> continued to wiggle this thing for awhile, consulted my Chilton's manual,
>> and wiggled some more while a friend was looking at it from above and
>> underneath, when it simple went into gear.
>>
>> Any ideas here? Is it liable to happen again?
>>
>> Also, I've noticed that after the car has been running for about 10
>> minutes,
>> whenever I come to a stop (while still in drive), a rumbling noise comes
>> from the center of the dash, VERY Noticeable unless I have the music UP.
>> It's simply annoying, I don't see any other effects it has on it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve Bozzone
>> Administrative Director - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://rockzone.com
>> ICQ: 196843 || AIM: RudeSkam69
>> -- "I see now mankind was not meant to last." [Hatebreed] --
>>
>>
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:38:56 +0100
From: "Neil Brownlee"
Subject: FTE Small - 98 Explorer - UPDATE

My rebuilt Explorer continues to cause concern. Since last week they have
been unable to stop the engine light from staying on. They said it was a
manufacturers defect and changed the manifold gaskets. No change..they
change the HEGO sensors (which incidentaly reported within range on the
FDS/Star thing). No change.

On a frame up rebuild...would you remove the exhaust manifolds??? I need to
know, as if they did...they damaged them the first time...thus casuing this
problem..thus making it THEIR problem and not the FMC....

Neil



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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:59:50 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - Hi Im new here

Hello all
Im new to this list , although not new to Ford Trucks. Ive been a member of
the 80-96 list for about a year and have owned Fords for years. Unfortunately
my 1989 F 250 2WD is showing its signs of age here in NYC and Ive made
arrangements to trade it in on a new Ranger.
Here are my questions
the truck im buying has the 2.5 four cylinder motor and an automatic
transmission
without voiding th warranty, how can I get this thing to have a little pep.
specifically from a start ( gettin on the hiways and passing)
Also what is the capacity of towing on this truck.. can I tow a 20 foot boat
with it?
And lastly the truck im getting is a 1999 118" wheel base with XLT trim,
cassette radio, spare tire lock, o/d trans, 4.10 axel,sliding rear window,
power equipment group and california emissions for $16500 does this sound
like a good deal??
Also is the road side assistance thing they have worth it?Like has anyone
else used it and is the service good?
Thanks in advance
Bob
ROlson1039 aol.com
89 F 250 2wd (RIP)
99 Ranger 2wd
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:17:19 -0400
From: "Lynn Stucky"
Subject: FTE Small - 99 Ranger 4l litre

I bought a brand new 99 Ranger 4 litre V6. I had a 90 4 litre V6, (both
automatics) which was the best vehicle
I ever owned. It had lots of pep and the only engine noise was the intake
which sounded good.
My 99 sounds like a diesel at some speeds and sounds like the valves are
floating at higher speeds.
I want back to Ford thinking surely I was going to get a new engine out of
this. The mechanic test drove
it and didn't think it sounded out of the ordinary. I asked to test drive a
new one off the lot. Sure enough
it made the same racket as my 99. I was told that the exhaust system layout
was different on the 99's.
I was wondering if I could reduce the noise with dual exhaust or some other
way. I am not keeping this
truck for nine years , that is for sure.



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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:04:03 -0700
From: "Keith Christensen"
Subject: RE :FTE Small - list activity

>Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:24:11 -0400
>From: doggfarm erols.com
>Subject: FTE Small - list activity

>What happened to this list? I was a faithful subscriber awhile back (around
>the time Ken started splitting the lists) and was always impressed by the
>quality of interest and amount of traffic. I come back and it seems there
>is nobody here. I've received only 2 posts in 24 hours. What happened? Have
>the lists become so specialized that 2 posts per 24 hours for small trucks
>is the norm now?

Just wait.. It changes

Part of it is that most folks are out doing things other than the 'puter.
Lots of folks on vacation ( I wish.. got the hours, but too many schedules
to meet).

There's always 'slow times' on any mailist. I'm on SPAM-L as well, that can
go from 80+ a day to 3 , it just depends.





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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:18:52 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 98 Explorer - UPDATE

Neil Brownlee wrote:
>
> My rebuilt Explorer continues to cause concern. Since last week they have
> been unable to stop the engine light from staying on.

I presume the 'check engine' light?

> They said it was a
> manufacturers defect and changed the manifold gaskets. No change..they
> change the HEGO sensors (which incidentaly reported within range on the
> FDS/Star thing). No change.

Sounds like BS to me..

>
> On a frame up rebuild...would you remove the exhaust manifolds??? I need to
> know, as if they did...they damaged them the first time...thus casuing this
> problem..thus making it THEIR problem and not the FMC....

That depends on the man that did the work.. I look for which might be
easier; sometimes the manifold(s) stay on and sometimes they dont.
(During the engine removal..) I would certainly HOPE the manifolds
came off at some point after the engine was out though. Any chance of
getting what codes are reported by the computer and posting them for
thoughts?

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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:28:03 CDT
From: "Bad Brian"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Oil Guages

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>Has anyone tried installing an aftermarket oil guage to their Ford 2.9?
>I would like to put one in mine, but am having a devil of a time finding
>the spot toi install it. Any ideas or suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Adam
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I put a mini triple gauge set where the ashtray is. I had oil, amps, and
volts on it. It lookes better then anyway else i have seen or thought of.
You can trim the two trim panels on either side just a hair to make it flush
in better. This works on the 84-88 models.


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go see mine. no pics of the dash and 140mph speedo though


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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:07:35 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Brake bleeding & techs

Kevin Bice wrote:
>
> Carl,
>
> Here is some info I found on a 94 explore. I hope it will shed some
> light.....
> 4 Wheel Anti-Lock Brakes (4WABS)
>
> NOTE: The anti-lock brake system must be bled in two steps.
>

More like 15 steps.. Ever wonder why older mechanics are leaving the
profession and younger ones aren't joining? I'd wager that my tool
payments every month equal that of some of the readers' HOUSE payments.
Do I have to do that? No.. but to stay current and be able to fix all
areas of the vehicle you bought last year yes. Both the guy in the bay
next to me and I have an average tool payment of $140 per *WEEK* no
misprint; that's almost $8000/year each and that's been about my average
for the last 10 years. It's a substantial part of my gross income and
doesn't leave much for modifying my truck... ;-( I'm just waiting for
the pricing (and pay) to reflect what I actually do now Vs. 15 years
ago.

Yes the manufacturers have done a lot to squeeze out the DIYer from
doing anything, but it also does the same to the technician that chooses
not to work in a dealership environment. There is a lot of equipment
available to the independent shop, but all too much that isn't.
(Lawsuits pending on some of this and it's interesting.)

I salute all you that still DIY and urge you to have some compassion
towards the technician you go to if all else fails; he's probably having
a tough time making ends meet right now.

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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:17:41 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Brake warning light

Mike Harms wrote:
>
> Interesting. I wonder if this procedure was added in the 90's due to so
> many people having trouble bleeding all of the air out of the system. Since
> I don't have time to work on my vehicle all the time myself I often listen
> in on a local radio car repair call in show on the weekends and I think one
> of the top calls is on late model cars (89 - 97) and bleeding brakes on
> anti-lock systems. Seems to be a real problem getting all of the air out.

Yep.. every ABS system has it's own strange way of wanting to be bled.
some require special tools or equipment also. Horse S*(t if you ask
me. I dont mind the controls designed to save us from ourselves so much
but the cost of repair is ridiculous. I'm always amazed that $500+
repairs (in differing areas) get sold routinely at the shop. For that
kind of money I'll find another vehicle! (Or slowly repair the original
vehicle if I like it.)

Tim
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:34:05 -0600
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Re: Brake bleeding & techs

You know you may have left some little tidbit out. :) As a DIY I have come
to respect how much it costs to go to most mechanic's now a days. The lift
that I installed for instance would've cost me somewhere around $1500-200 to
install. Well I said HAH! :) I can install that myself. So I did and it
took me a whole week to get the thing in and lots of agonizing at how I
would do particular parts. So if I ever get another lift on something I
will go ahead and pay someone to do it just because it is a LARGE job. This
weekend I also attempted to start an install of JBA headers and gave up
after realizing that breaking bolts is not a good thing and that if I had
done it to two already I did not want to see what would happen if I got to
the head and broke a bolt. So now I am gonna try to find a good price and
place to install it, or mabey find someone who I could pay and help install
the things! Anyway I really respect what most mechanics have to know and as
far as the tools, I am jealous of the amount that you have but not the $$$!
:)

Ryan Penner
'92 Ford Explorer

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-small-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tim Turner
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 9:08 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Small - Re: Brake bleeding & techs
>
>
>
>
> Kevin Bice wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> >
> > Here is some info I found on a 94 explore. I hope it will shed some
> > light.....
> > 4 Wheel Anti-Lock Brakes (4WABS)
> >
> > NOTE: The anti-lock brake system must be bled in two steps.
> >
>
> More like 15 steps.. Ever wonder why older mechanics are leaving the
> profession and younger ones aren't joining? I'd wager that my tool
> payments every month equal that of some of the readers' HOUSE payments.
> Do I have to do that? No.. but to stay current and be able to fix all
> areas of the vehicle you bought last year yes. Both the guy in the bay
> next to me and I have an average tool payment of $140 per *WEEK* no
> misprint; that's almost $8000/year each and that's been about my average
> for the last 10 years. It's a substantial part of my gross income and
> doesn't leave much for modifying my truck... ;-( I'm just waiting for
> the pricing (and pay) to reflect what I actually do now Vs. 15 years
> ago.
>
> Yes the manufacturers have done a lot to squeeze out the DIYer from
> doing anything, but it also does the same to the technician that chooses
> not to work in a dealership environment. There is a lot of equipment
> available to the independent shop, but all too much that isn't.
> (Lawsuits pending on some of this and it's interesting.)
>
> I salute all you that still DIY and urge you to have some compassion
> towards the technician you go to if all else fails; he's probably having
> a tough time making ends meet right now.
>
> Tim
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:31:13 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - touch drive computer

malonej sunsix.infi.net wrote:
>
> The touch drive in my 86 2.9 Ranger 4x4 went stopped working a
> few months ago.

For what it'll cost to fix it you'll be better off to put 'real' hubs on
it and ditch the touch crap. It'll be longer lasting as well.

Tim
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:35:23 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ticking Noise

JoeMtchell aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi all, new to the list and thought I would ask a question. I have a 1991
> Ford Ranger with the 2.3L 4 cyl. Lately when I start it up, the engine ticks
> loudly for about 1 to 2 minutes. After that the noise dies off and eventually
> is gone. Does anyone know what could be the cause and how to fix it? Thanks a
> lot....

As others have mentioned; probably a bad lifter. Odd set up on the 2.3,
but test each one and see which one(s) collapse easily and replace.

Tim
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:40:00 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - The B-II with the chattery start....

Adam McLaughlin wrote:
>

> So, what would be in the RABS circuit? I could have screwed up my RABS speed
> sensor when I crunched my rear end two months ago. I just moved the sensor
> from one pumpkin to the new one. Maybe I transplanted a problem?? Thoughts
> anyone?

Possibly a transplant, but also check the wiring harness; seen quite a
few chafed and not giving a good signal to the computer anymore.

Tim
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:42:44 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Switched 12 V outlet - Ranger

Edwin B Yohe wrote:
>
> I just bought a radar detector for my 98 Ranger XLT extra cab.
> Then I discovered that neither the lighter or the extra 12 volt outlet
> are switched.

Hack the plug off and go to a switched fuse in the fuse box. If you're
determined to keep the lighter plug then go to Radio Shack and get an
outlet and wire to suit your needs.

Tim
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:48:50 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Speedo error

pmierkey wrote:
>
> I am a new proud owner of a dark blue '93 Ranger. 3.01 standard.
> extended cab. This is my first Ford since a '54 4-door six w/overdrive
> bought in 1961. I drove the wheels off that sedan. I have noticed that
> the speedo reads about 70 MPH when I'm going about 63. The truck came
> with 14 inch wheels. Could I mount 15 inch wheels on the truck without
> major modification? Would that help the speedo error?

*IF* they fit being larger they should slow the speedo down.. let us
know and we can help more.

Tim
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:37:54 EDT
From: MaDogSiper aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 99 Ranger 4l litre

Ijust bought a 97 mazda pu with a 2.3 liter engine... and me and several of
my friends know where you are coming from. At times it sounds just like a
diesel.. and it only has 26k miles on it. Anyways... I know what you mean!
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:35:55 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - The B-II with the chattery start....

Good Idea, Tim...

Huh. 50% of that entire wiring harness was cut about 6 months ago from some very
serious crawling and chaffing. I thought I only nicked my rear end lights. (Cop....

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