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small-list-digest Thursday, July 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 190



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Small - Control-Trak
RE: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)
FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...
RE: FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...
RE: FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...
Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)
Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)
Re: FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...
Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)
Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)
FTE Small - Auto Hub lock nut socket
Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)
FTE Small - TPS

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:39:07 +0300
From: Bolte Brent
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Control-Trak

Here I go again assuming that Ford would carry over a
good feature ( in my opinion anyway ) for more than
one model year. I test drove an Expedition when they
first came out a few years ago. The first official model
year for the Expeditions was 1997 ( even though they
were introduced mid 1996 ) and I thought I remembered
the one I drove had a 4 position switch in it that allowed
you to switch between 2WD, A4WD, 4HI, & 4LO.
Thinking I must be loosing my mind, I went back and
looked at some 1997 Expedition literature I still had lying
around and sure enough on page 14 ( of the brochure
dated 9/96 ) the photo of the dash shows the 4 position
switch with 2WD as one of the selections. Ford must
have done away with the 2WD position on the switch
in the 1998 and newer Expeditions ( or possibly during
the 1997 model year ) as they did with the 1997 and
newer Explorers. Thanks for correcting me on this. Not
being fortunate enough to own an Expedition, I was not
aware they had removed the 2WD setting from them as
they did with the Explorers.

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Bill Funk Wrote:

> Not in my '99 Expedition, or in any of the '98 or '99 Expeditions
> I've ever been in. They all have A4WD, 4HI, and 4LO only, no
> 2WD (unless they are 2WD only, of course).
>
> Bill Funk

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:52:03 -0500
From: "Herring, Bobby"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)

Go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crutchfield.com

They have a selection on the left side of the first page for "what fits my
car". After answering several questions about year, make and model, it will
show what will fit.
Bobby Herring
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bozzone [mailto:editor rockzone.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 10:14 PM
> To: 410 jamie fortune; small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)
> I just took the front door stock speakers from a 95 4door Ford Explorer
XLT,
> which are 5x7's. They sound a bit better than the my stock speakers.
>
> I have a few questions:
>
>
> 3) On the speakers I took out, one of them had a sticker on the back that
> said "Premium Sound". Does this mean my BII had the premium sound option?
> I know the system still sucks, but I know the premium sound option had an
> amp seperate from the receiver.. how do I figure out if I have this amp
and
> where can I find it?
>
> 4) How do remove the stock stereo from my BII? I know the new ones have a
U
> shaped tool, but mine doesn't look so easy.
>
> 5) What are the largest dimensions for speakers I can fit in my truck?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve Bozzone
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:42:52 +0100
From: "Neil Brownlee"
Subject: FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...

Hi,

You may or may not remember me, I've been hanging around the list for ages,
and my Explorer was in an accident some 20 weeks ago, well on Friday I got
it back. It's not taxed, and after doing a whole 200 yards up the drive it's
clunking into gear, shaking, hissing in reverse and p*ssing water out of the
exhausts about midway along the vehicle.

Anyway to top it all, the check engine light is now on. The paintwork is
amateurish, the cubby box won't close anymore, the windscreen is 7.5mm too
far over allowing you to put your fingers in the gap between it and the
body...the front tyre is torn, there is overspray all over the plastic...oh
and the nearside glass is all scratched.

Sucks...do you think I am within my rights to demand a vehicle of similar
age and mileage in replacement? Plase help....we have no rights over here in
the UK :( BTW it had a new frame....so they have tried to rebuild it......

Neil




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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:02:39 -0500
From: "Tony Rio (Chicago)"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...

Man... I don't know squat about UK law, but my definition of common sense
would say ABSOLUTLY. I would send a written, dated complaint with pictures
to the shop and your insurance company. Voice your opinions and request in
the situation. Most likely the shop and insurance agency will balk, so go
get a good lawyer. I used to work for one of the biggest insurers, and I
guareentee they will try to say the fix is sufficent, no matter how poorly
it was done (which is why I don't work there anymore... ethics).

Your vehicle was in a certain state of running order when it was hit. By
paying you insurance premiums you are entitled to have it back the way it
was before the accident... no more, and definatly no less.

And as for the law in the UK? I gotta think they have consumer and
insurance protection laws just like anyplace else. Last I checked it was a
civilized society.

Good Luck, and don't let 'em screw you. When I worked at the insurance
company, I saw it happen to customers often, and it upset me so much I left.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:03:23 -0700
From: Ray Scheidnes
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...

Wow - don't know how laws work over in the UK, but I'd be very upset about
that!
I once ran over some acid or something that ate little holes into the paint
on the passenger side of my Ranger. My tires stuck out of the wells a bit,
so the stuff passed up the splash guards. Anyway, took it to a local Ford
dealer that I respected, and they repainted the door, extracab and front
fender. I didn't notice till I got home that they'd left all sorts of
sanding grooves under the paint, and I could easily see it from an angle. I
took it back and demanded that they do it over and do it right. They didn't
want to do it, but after talking to some "higher-up" folks, they repainted
it again. I complained so much, and even to Ford in Detroit, and I think
they may have gotten into some trouble because of me. I'd warned them that
I'm not the average customer who just wants some color on my vehicle and
that they'd better do it right. Obviously, they didn't listen to me the
first time. I also demanded a loaner vehicle, which I got. They kept the
truck for three weeks during the second repair attempt. But, I didn't care
as I had their car and I just wanted it done right. If you fight, kick and
scream enough, you may just get your way...
Sorry about your situation - Good luck!

> ----------
> From: Neil
> Brownlee[SMTP:metal_thrasher offroading.freeserve.co.uk]
> Reply To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 1:42 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...
>
> Hi,
>
> You may or may not remember me, I've been hanging around the list for
> ages,
> and my Explorer was in an accident some 20 weeks ago, well on Friday I got
> it back. It's not taxed, and after doing a whole 200 yards up the drive
> it's
> clunking into gear, shaking, hissing in reverse and p*ssing water out of
> the
> exhausts about midway along the vehicle.
>
> Anyway to top it all, the check engine light is now on. The paintwork is
> amateurish, the cubby box won't close anymore, the windscreen is 7.5mm too
> far over allowing you to put your fingers in the gap between it and the
> body...the front tyre is torn, there is overspray all over the
> plastic...oh
> and the nearside glass is all scratched.
>
> Sucks...do you think I am within my rights to demand a vehicle of similar
> age and mileage in replacement? Plase help....we have no rights over here
> in
> the UK :( BTW it had a new frame....so they have tried to rebuild it......
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:31:39 -0700
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)


> 2) Is there an easy way to tell which wire goes to which part of the
> speaker? It seems that it doesn't matter, but I read that if you put them
> backwards, the speaker vibrates in the wrong direction. The adapter used on
> my stock speakers did not work with the `95 ones, so I pulled the wires out
> and stuck them in the slots in the new adapter.

I would think the wires can go on either way.

>
> 3) On the speakers I took out, one of them had a sticker on the back that
> said "Premium Sound". Does this mean my BII had the premium sound option?
> I know the system still sucks, but I know the premium sound option had an
> amp seperate from the receiver.. how do I figure out if I have this amp and
> where can I find it?

In my '88 Ranger, the extra amp was accessible through a panel in the top of the dash.
WARNING: this amp is supported by plastic insulating spacers. The case is NOT ground
and if you let the case touch the dash while the radio is on, the whole system will
be toast. Then you install an Alpine system.

>
> 4) How do remove the stock stereo from my BII? I know the new ones have a U
> shaped tool, but mine doesn't look so easy.

Yep, sounds like the premium sound type. The radio is attached by an L-shaped bracket
on each side. The dash panel has to come off & then the screws holding the L brackets are
removed.


- -- Don
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:49:58 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)

The polarity does matter.. they work, but not correctly..there is a test you
can do with a 9v battery (i've learned) to discover which wire is which.

Thanks for the info on taking out the radio.. how frustrating. How do I go
about taking the dash panel, and how will i put it back on?



Steve Bozzone
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Paauw
To:
Sent: 28/7/99 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)


>
>> 2) Is there an easy way to tell which wire goes to which part of the
>> speaker? It seems that it doesn't matter, but I read that if you put
them
>> backwards, the speaker vibrates in the wrong direction. The adapter used
on
>> my stock speakers did not work with the `95 ones, so I pulled the wires
out
>> and stuck them in the slots in the new adapter.
>
>I would think the wires can go on either way.
>
>>
>> 3) On the speakers I took out, one of them had a sticker on the back that
>> said "Premium Sound". Does this mean my BII had the premium sound
option?
>> I know the system still sucks, but I know the premium sound option had an
>> amp seperate from the receiver.. how do I figure out if I have this amp
and
>> where can I find it?
>
>In my '88 Ranger, the extra amp was accessible through a panel in the top
of the dash.
>WARNING: this amp is supported by plastic insulating spacers. The case is
NOT ground
>and if you let the case touch the dash while the radio is on, the whole
system will
>be toast. Then you install an Alpine system.
>
>>
>> 4) How do remove the stock stereo from my BII? I know the new ones have
a U
>> shaped tool, but mine doesn't look so easy.
>
>Yep, sounds like the premium sound type. The radio is attached by an
L-shaped bracket
>on each side. The dash panel has to come off & then the screws holding the
L brackets are
>removed.
>
>
>-- Don
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:13:55 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Leg to stand on.....I think not...

Neil Brownlee wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You may or may not remember me, I've been hanging around the list for ages,
> and my Explorer was in an accident some 20 weeks ago, well on Friday I got
> it back. It's not taxed, and after doing a whole 200 yards up the drive it's
> clunking into gear, shaking, hissing in reverse and p*ssing water out of the
> exhausts about midway along the vehicle.
>
> Anyway to top it all, the check engine light is now on. The paintwork is
> amateurish, the cubby box won't close anymore, the windscreen is 7.5mm too
> far over allowing you to put your fingers in the gap between it and the
> body...the front tyre is torn, there is overspray all over the plastic...oh
> and the nearside glass is all scratched.
>
> Sucks...do you think I am within my rights to demand a vehicle of similar
> age and mileage in replacement? Plase help....we have no rights over here in
> the UK :( BTW it had a new frame....so they have tried to rebuild it......
>
> Neil
>
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Neil,

I would suggest that your Insurance company is in breach of
contract and thus liable for your damages. Contact your
local Member of parliament and show him your problem. Ask
him/her to intervene on your behalf. Show the police your
repairs and tell them that the body shop is trying to
defraud you and your insurance company. Finally contact your
local newspaper/TV station and show them the repairs. I am
sure they would have a field day with this one. Good luck.

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:22:22 -0500
From: Guy Anderson
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)

Donald Paauw wrote:
>
>
> > 2) Is there an easy way to tell which wire goes to which part of the
> > speaker? It seems that it doesn't matter, but I read that if you put them
> > backwards, the speaker vibrates in the wrong direction. The adapter used on
> > my stock speakers did not work with the `95 ones, so I pulled the wires out
> > and stuck them in the slots in the new adapter.
>


> I would think the wires can go on either way.

Please ignore this advice, as it is dead wrong. The right and left
speakers must be wired in phase, i.e., with the cones moving in and
out simultaneously. Reverse the phasing and you will degrade both
bass response and imaging. You may have to determine the matter by
just listening. (With home stereo speakers, you can hook the
speakers up to a small battery and observe which way each woofer
moves when you close the circuit.) There are also test cd's and
tapes you can purchase at stereo shops to test phasing, frequency
response, imaging, channel identification, separation and balance,
etc.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:42:33 -0700
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)

>
> Thanks for the info on taking out the radio.. how frustrating. How do I go
> about taking the dash panel, and how will i put it back on?

In my Ranger, the panel was held on by several screws that I just hunted down.
Once I found all of the screws, it wasn't too hard to jiggle it out. As I recall, they
were under the dash and at the very top of the panel. I don't remember any that were
hard to find. My panel is still off, but there weren't any plastic latches so I
figure it should just be a matter of getting it back into place & reinstalling the screws.

- -- Don
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:36:11 -0400
From: "4xFord"
Subject: FTE Small - Auto Hub lock nut socket

OK...What is the size for the socket that I need to remove and install the
locknut on my Auto Hubs?? My truck is a '97 Ranger XLT SuperCab 4.0L, 5
speed manual with the Dana 35 front axle. I have heard it is a 2 3/8 inch
and I have heard that it is something else...

The only 2 3/8 socket I could find was a 12 point at Sears and I just don't
think that one will do it. Any ideas as to where I can find it or order it??
how much should I pay for it? The local yahoos at the 4x4 shops look at me
with blank "deer in the headlights" stares when I ask for the socket.

I've been using a channel locks to tighten them in the past, but I would
like to get the correct tool for the job.

TIA, Bryce

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:05:19 -0700
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Audio: Rear Speakers (88 EB Bii 4x4 Auto)

> > 2) Is there an easy way to tell which wire goes to which part of the
> > speaker? It seems that it doesn't matter, but I read that if you put them
> > backwards, the speaker vibrates in the wrong direction. The adapter used on
> > my stock speakers did not work with the `95 ones, so I pulled the wires out
> > and stuck them in the slots in the new adapter.
>
> I would think the wires can go on either way.
>
OK, so call me a redneck. Actually, I grew up in an era when the white
knight talking backwards was considered kind of cool.

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