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small-list-digest Tuesday, June 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 162



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In this issue:

FTE Small - cleaning injectors
Re: FTE Small - cleaning injectors
Re: FTE Small - Shoddy service
FTE Small - Pinging..
Re: FTE Small - cleaning injectors
Re: FTE Small - cleaning injectors
RE: FTE Small - Shoddy service
FTE Small - Engine rebuild books
FTE Small - Any Throttle Position Sensor specialists here (88 2.9L) ?

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:14:27 -0500
From: John Winkler
Subject: FTE Small - cleaning injectors

Just got my oil changed at a $19.99 place, and they told me
that I needed to "clean my injectors" because they saw the
engine shaking excessively. I naturally told them "maybe
next time", but am wondering about whether that's a good thing
to do and if there are DIY kits or gas additives that would
get the job done.

JLW
(who normally changes the oil himself, just ran out of time
prior to a trip to show off the baby to the grandparents)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:22:02 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - cleaning injectors

At 10:14 AM 6/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Just got my oil changed at a $19.99 place, and they told me
>that I needed to "clean my injectors" because they saw the
>engine shaking excessively. I naturally told them "maybe
>next time", but am wondering about whether that's a good thing
>to do and if there are DIY kits or gas additives that would
>get the job done.

Check out NAPA autoparts. They sell several kits with a hose and adapters
to hook to almost any fuel rail and cans of pressurized injector cleaner.
You disconnect the power to the Fuel pump, hook this kit up, open the valve
to the can and start the car. Let it run until the can runs dry and the
engine stalls, shut off the key and let it sit for an hour, re-connect the
fuel pump and start it up.
Really makes a huge difference in how it runs!
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:59:16 +0100
From: Nick G Moulsdale
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Shoddy service

Neil

I suggest you do the following, all UK specific actions.

1) Put vehicle in for an MOT. Pray it fails!
2) Have a complete AA or RAC Inspection done on the vehicle.
3) Contact Ford UK Customer Service.
4) If all else fails, take vehicle back to Garage, block an entrance
and stand with a large placard in the showroom on a Saturday (or
whatever is their busy day) an dtell everyone loudly about the
service you've received.
5) Put your complaints in writing. Copy Ford UK Customer Services
6) See the Citizens advice Bureau
7) Go to a Big Name Solicitors and ask for advice under the "Free 15
minutes Advice" Rule, and then, if you can afford it, get them to
send a blistering letter.
8) (I did this with another Ford once) Park the vehicle right in
Front of their biggest Showroom window and threaten to drive it
though the window if they don't sort it.
9) Contact your insurance company, and ask to speak yo the loss
adjusters handling your case.
10) Make alot of noise, try ringing the Sun or the Mirror, get a
really sexy female to pose partially clad on the heap and take big
colour pics, etc etc.

We could arrange a comparison with my '97 Explorer......

Best of luck


Nick Moulsdale
Ivy Cottage,
Castley, Otley.
North Yorkshire. nick.moul zetnet.co.uk
LS21 2PY ENGLAND phone(44)1423-734470

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:23:06 +0100
From: "Neil Brownlee"
Subject: FTE Small - Shoddy service

As some of you will remember, I am having a frame up rebuild done on my UK
Explorer, the first of it's kind over here I have been told by Ford. OKay,
well after 2 test drives...it's sh*t. Steering jumps, feels like the front
end just doesn't want to stay straight. Brakes grind when applied. Air vents
all blow NO air at all, whatever the setting (they say this is NOT their
fault!! ha ha ha ha), wind noise is amazing from most windows...the list
goes on. Not to mention one side is Emerald and the other is NOT....oh dear

Anyway, my question is this -

When I put it to them they had not checked my fluid levels at all and had
simply *filled it*, they said..oh no, we took it to the service dept. They
gave it a full service. RIght, so I dragged out to the parking lot, popped
the hood and asked - "So whay do have 2 litres more coolant than I need in
this tank then?". HIs answer was to say they would drain it. Why is it full
anyway??? Idiots!!

So, what are the consequences of filling the expansion tank to the top on a
98 Explorer? Remember it seems to have a 2 to 2.5 litre expansion tank, and
the cold fill is near the very bottom...surely it's like that for a REASON?

Any help..please!

Neil

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:28:08 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Small - Pinging..

> I think the new oxygenated fuels with MTBE ot Ethynol just plain stink.
> That's the only difference I can see between UT and AZ gas.
> Do you run oxygenated fuel in your area?

Yes,here in Reno we have oxygenated fuel.Explorer had a tank of Citco
(not so)Premium in it when I first posted re: pinging.
It now has a tank of Shell Premium and it's runs a %100 better,but
I don't feel that a Explorer should require Premium to run well.
I going to try the injecter cleaner and see if that helps.
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:44:06 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - cleaning injectors

At 12:22 PM -0400 6/28/99, David Cooley wrote:

[snip]

>Check out NAPA autoparts. They sell several kits with a hose and adapters
>to hook to almost any fuel rail and cans of pressurized injector cleaner.
>You disconnect the power to the Fuel pump, hook this kit up, open the valve
>to the can and start the car. Let it run until the can runs dry and the
>engine stalls, shut off the key and let it sit for an hour, re-connect the
>fuel pump and start it up.
>Really makes a huge difference in how it runs!

I usually just pour a can of the fuel injector cleaner into the gas
tank and let it work that way. Is this a less preferable alternative?

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1986 Ford Bronco II Gray Manual 2.9 V6 123K Pittsburgh PA

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:52:24 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - cleaning injectors

At 02:44 PM 6/28/99 -0400, you wrote:

>I usually just pour a can of the fuel injector cleaner into the gas
>tank and let it work that way. Is this a less preferable alternative?

That's a way to help keep them clean over time, but the 12-16 oz of cleaner
is diluted by 15-20Gallons of gas... With the pressure clean method with
the hose, you have straight cleaner solvent at the injectors and it
disolves all the gunk from the injectors and the backs of the intake valves.
I religiously use the Techron cleaner every 5 or so tanks, but after doing
1 pressure cleaning, the thing runs like brand new again.
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:06:01 -0500
From: Mike Harms
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Shoddy service

Sounds like you have not been having a good time. The overfilling of the
expansion tank sounds like the least of your problems. You will definitely
need to get the Ford regional rep involved in your other problems.

The expansion tank is only there to ensure that the radiator doesn't end up
sucking air into the system. When the fluid is cold, it takes up less space
so that as the engine heats the fluid it starts to expand, and any excess
goes into the expansion tank. As the fluid cools (after you shut the truck
off) the excess is then returned to the radiator from the expansion tank.
Overfilling the expansion tank makes it more likely that antifreeze will be
leaked out the overflow (if the truck has one, or it will blow the cap off)
as fluid is moved from the cooling system into the expansion tank.



>Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:23:06 +0100
>From: "Neil Brownlee"
>Subject: FTE Small - Shoddy service
...
>So, what are the consequences of filling the expansion tank to the top on a
>98 Explorer? Remember it seems to have a 2 to 2.5 litre expansion tank, and
>the cold fill is near the very bottom...surely it's like that for a REASON?
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:30:23 -0500
From: Larry Brown
Subject: FTE Small - Engine rebuild books

Does anyone know of a book on rebuilding the 302/351W series engines with
the detail that the Steve Christ book has.

Larry

"The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four people is
suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best
friends. If they're okay, then it's you."
-Rita Mae Brown

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:49:29 -0700
From: "Keith Christensen"
Subject: FTE Small - Any Throttle Position Sensor specialists here (88 2.9L) ?

My '88 B II with the 2.9L started screwing up big-time last week... bucking,
surging, dying at stoplights....

Thanks to info from you kind folks here, I made a good guesstimate that it
was the TPS.
(yup, that corrected the problem!)

I did get a surprise at the autoparts place when I went to buy one though..

They list 2 different units for that year (and probably others as well). The
book says to replace with the same number as the one on the vehicle. (so I
did same.. mine was marked with the double 7's)

One is a D7F , the other is D77F. There's no breakdown on what the
difference is, and there is nothing visibly different except that the D77F
has a BLUE center and the D7F has a black one. Connector pattern is the
same.

I didn't have an ohmmeter with me to see if there was any electrical
difference.

This looks like a good possibility for a screwup, especially if the counter
guy isn't on his toes or just wants to get a customer out the door when the
correct one's out of stock.

I'm suspecting that the difference is not enough to make the rig NOT work,
but since I've never felt that the throttle response was 'quite' right. I
have noticed that I have to use throttle motion excessively to keep up with
traffic at highway speeds, but that wide-open works fine. At 160K+, I'm sure
that the TPS has been replaced in the past... who knows what happened
then.... !

Seeing as this is just a glorified, ruggedized potentiometer "AKA Volume
control thingy", there seems the good possibility that the difference is the
'curve' of the resistance change at different ranges of the throttle.

Short of spending $30 on the other one to try it, is there anyone who knows
which one is correct by referencing to other parts in the vehicle ('puter....


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