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In this issue:

RE: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Cam
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Cam
Re: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer
Re: FTE Small - Explorer Cam
RE: FTE Small - Explorer Cam
FTE Small - Tranny Cooler
RE: FTE Small - intake, exhaust, and head questions.
Re: FTE Small - Tranny Cooler
RE: FTE Small - Tranny Cooler
FTE Small - Shocks
FTE Small - snow plows & Explorers
FTE Small - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees
FTE Small - V6 emblem
Re: FTE Small - V6 emblem
FTE Small - WarranteeWise... what a joke
RE: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer
RE: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:41:25 -0700
From: Ray Scheidnes
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer

Ping/Spark knock/detonation is caused by the fuel charge being ignited
before the spark plug fires then when the plug does fire all of a sudden
there are two flame fronts (explosions!) heading towards each other with
predictable results.

Joesph Merchak wrote:
>
> I bought a 99 Ranger XLT 4x4 supercab with a 4 speed auto. Since the warm
weather, the engine pings, even when its not under any load. I have taken
back to the dealer and was told nothing is wrong, but they wont explain to
me why I am forced to use plus or better fuel. Has anyone seen this
problem?

Keep going back to the dealer until it's resolved. The same additives
that raise octane in today's gasoline are the prime cause of carbon
deposits that increase the octane need. (catch-22!) There is *NO*
reason to use a fuel of higher octane than Ford specifies for your
engine when it's working as designed and there are TSBs that state that
this will cause more harm than the (intended) good. A couple quick
pings under load aren't anything to worry about but I gather it's more
severe than that! Keep us posted and feel free to e-mail me off list.

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
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Pinging is caused by improper detonation of the fuel air mixture in the
combustion chamber. In a typical new car it is only noticed when the engine
is under load at lower RPM's like going up a hill in overdrive or something.
The engine in a current car should run without pinging when using the gas
rated the same as what is printed in the owners manual. Some cars have
detonation sensors that will restrict timing and adjust the fuel/air mixture
to stop detonation in case you end up having to use a fuel that is below the
grade the engine is designed for. A engines designed rating is usually
determined by the compression ratio of the cylinders, though not only by
this.

Of course older vehicles (prior to unleaded fuel) tend to Ping more easily
because of many reasons including: Higher than optimum compression ratio for
the fuel made today, carbon deposits in the cylinders causing "hot" spots,
Poor fuel air mixture and incorrect timing.

Here is a nice web page that goes through pinging and engine kocking:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.virtualsoftware.com/intellipro/happycar/Demo/Prophet/prob82.htm



- --Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:07:31 -0400
- --From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
- --Subject: Re: FTE Small - Pinging on a 3.0L


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> Subject: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer
>
> My 91 Explorer is pinging.I know this was covered before,
> and if I remember correctly the consensus was EGR valve.
> Is that correct?
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:34:58 -0700
From: George Freese
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Cam

That sounds scary. I wonder if this would be covered under a warranty if
mine goes out. Or is this only on a 4x4?

At 02:48 PM 6/24/99 -0400, you wrote:
>"Rasmussen, Tim" wrote:
>
>> I have a '93 Explorer XLT 4x4...been very happy. I'm just about to turn 50k
>> miles on it. I took in today to get a front end alignment. The guy at the
>> shop says I need a new cam on the passenger side. He wants to buy and
>> install a cam kit (will cover both sides) for $170. Does this sound right?
>> Too much? Good deal? Am I getting jerked around?
>
>Right on the money, at least for the newer models. I just got concentric
>adjusters installed on both sides of my '97 Explorer, at 19k miles, by the
>local Ford dealer. Total was $169, including the $45 alignment fee. Granted,
>this is not the TTB front end, but Lou, the service manager, is a close
>personal friend of mine-- He says Ford should have installed them on every
>Explorer, because they ALL need them.
>
>--
>Chris Slaw
>--
>'97 Explorer V8 19k
>'93 626ES auto 50k
>'90 MustangGT 5spd 60k
>--
>"If you find a path with no obstacles,
> it probably doesn't lead anywhere."
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:53:19 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Cam

My '96 XLT has about 65K miles and is on it's second set of Goodyear
Wranglers. Still drives like new. Haven't had any front end problems as of
yet.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: George Freese
To:
Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Cam


> That sounds scary. I wonder if this would be covered under a warranty if
> mine goes out. Or is this only on a 4x4?
>
> At 02:48 PM 6/24/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >"Rasmussen, Tim" wrote:
> >
> >> I have a '93 Explorer XLT 4x4...been very happy. I'm just about to
turn 50k
> >> miles on it. I took in today to get a front end alignment. The guy at
the
> >> shop says I need a new cam on the passenger side. He wants to buy and
> >> install a cam kit (will cover both sides) for $170. Does this sound
right?
> >> Too much? Good deal? Am I getting jerked around?
> >
> >Right on the money, at least for the newer models. I just got concentric
> >adjusters installed on both sides of my '97 Explorer, at 19k miles, by
the
> >local Ford dealer. Total was $169, including the $45 alignment fee.
Granted,
> >this is not the TTB front end, but Lou, the service manager, is a close
> >personal friend of mine-- He says Ford should have installed them on
every
> >Explorer, because they ALL need them.
> >
> >--
> >Chris Slaw
> >--
> >'97 Explorer V8 19k
> >'93 626ES auto 50k
> >'90 MustangGT 5spd 60k
> >--
> >"If you find a path with no obstacles,
> > it probably doesn't lead anywhere."
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:10:07 -0400
From: Chris Slaw
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer

"J.S.H." wrote:
>
> My 91 Explorer is pinging.I know this was covered before,
> and if I remember correctly the consensus was EGR valve.
> Is that correct?

I would pull the codes before you start throwing parts at it. There is a
possibility that the egr system is fine. Of course the valve is relatively
cheap so you could start there if you have no way to pull codes.

Another common cause of pinging-- You may have excessive carbon buildup. This
can do one of two things; create a hot spot which preignites the intake
mixture, or it bumps up the compression as the buildup reduces chamber volume.

I found this out reading a Ford TSB (technical service bulletin) on the V6
Probe GT, which has common pinging problems due to high compression ratio. If
it is pinging excessively, they (Ford) recommend the following procedure-- get
the engine hot, bring the rpms up to about 2500 rpms, disconnect a vacuum line
going into the intake manifold, and allow the vac line to suck up about a half
pint to a pint of water out of a can or jar. The water will actually nicely
steam-clean the combustion chambers. I thought this sounded silly, sucking
water into an engine in any manner, but I tried it on my '85 Bronco (195,000
miles, and nothing to lose) and it worked very well! Hope this helps. Also
remember, if you have a problem that is causing premature carbon buildup, you
are only treating the symptom here, not the problem, which is oil consumption
or rich mixture condition.

- --
Chris Slaw
- --
'97 Explorer V8 19k
'93 626ES auto 50k
'90 MustangGT 5spd 60k
- --
"If you find a path with no obstacles,
it probably doesn't lead anywhere."

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:22:26 -0400
From: Chris Slaw
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer Cam

George Freese wrote:
>
> That sounds scary. I wonder if this would be covered under a warranty if
> mine goes out. Or is this only on a 4x4?

Whether or not you need parts for good alignment depends on whether or not
your truck will align within specs with the factory hardware. Mine was
obviously not under warranty-- alignment problems are alsways blamed on some
sort of abuse, hitting a pothole etc.

> >but Lou, the service manager, is a close
> >personal friend of mine-- He says Ford should have installed them on every
> >Explorer, because they ALL need them.

What he meant is every Explorer he sees with a chronic alignment problem needs
them, which is to say, every Explorer HE sees! ;^) There are of course many
Explorers that do hold a good alignment. Lou just never sees them too often.

- --
Chris Slaw
- --
'97 Explorer V8 19k
'93 626ES auto 50k
'90 MustangGT 5spd 60k
- --
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it probably doesn't lead anywhere."
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:55:08 -0500
From: "Herring, Bobby"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Explorer Cam

Are these parts on the Explorer/Rangers with the twin i-beam frontend? I
took my '93 Ranger in a while back and he said the ball joints are fine but
it needed a cam on the top on the passenger side before he could adjust the
caster/camber(?). The toe-in was fine but it still pulls to the right. He
said they were fairly expensive and I should probably just wait.

It needed front shocks so I put those on and swapped the tires from side to
side. Changed the way it handles but still pulls some. I think I will wait
until I get ready to buy new front tires to have the front end fixed. The
tires already have the waved edges from the bad shocks and being out of
balance at the same time.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:11:01 -0700
From: Brian Pynn
Subject: FTE Small - Tranny Cooler

My friend has recommended I install an auxilliary tranny cooler on my 97
Ranger. It's a 3.0L 5spd Rebel Youth model...and as such is only rated for
max GVW trailer towing of 2000 pounds. Which is exactly what my new tent
trailer weighs. I already have the larger rad, and haven't noticed any
problems with overheating. Would an aux tranny cooler be of real benefit?
Also, are they inexpensive and easy to install?
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:11:01 -0500
From: Mike Harms
Subject: RE: FTE Small - intake, exhaust, and head questions.

>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:49:08 -0400
>From: "Carl Schmidt"
>Subject: FTE Small - intake, exhaust, and head questions.

...
>name that has a head for this engine (2.9L). The vehicle is my fathers but
I
>am hoping to inheret it some day and want to do some research on it. What
>sorts of exhaust can I put on here. It's an 87 Bronco II eddiebauer
edition.
>I wonder, would dual exhaust be worth it? Where can I purchase headers? I
...
>Scorpio intake I heard about, anyone know what it is, what it does, and
>where it can be bought? Thanks for an help that be offered!

Check out Kunz Korner: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford ranger. com/wwwboard3.html
This is a web message board dedicated to the Ford 2.9 v6. A couple people
there have built up their 2.9's quite a bit and are always willing to give
information. If you read through the messages there I bet you will already
find answers to many of your questions. Someone there is even in the
process of installing a Scorpio Intake onto their truck to see what it does
for them.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:29:46 -0400
From: Chris Slaw
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Tranny Cooler

Brian Pynn wrote:
>
> My friend has recommended I install an auxilliary tranny cooler on my 97
> Ranger. It's a 3.0L 5spd Rebel Youth model...and as such is only rated for
> max GVW trailer towing of 2000 pounds. Which is exactly what my new tent
> trailer weighs. I already have the larger rad, and haven't noticed any
> problems with overheating. Would an aux tranny cooler be of real benefit?
> Also, are they inexpensive and easy to install?

The inexpensive models (copper tubes running thru fins) are not worth sh*t.
Before you create alot of work/expense for yourself, why not install a tranny
temperature gauge? If it starts to overheat where you will be driving, at
least you can pull over before doing damage, and install a "good" oil cooler
when convenient (one that is built like a small radiator).

- --
Chris Slaw
- --
'97 Explorer V8 19k
'93 626ES auto 50k
'90 MustangGT 5spd 60k
- --
"If you find a path with no obstacles,
it probably doesn't lead anywhere."
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:38:37 -0700
From: Ray Scheidnes
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Tranny Cooler

Are there any oil cooler kits available for the Rangers that are easy to
install?
(I have a '94 4.0)

> ----------
> From: Chris Slaw[SMTP:cslaw ptd.net]
> Reply To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 10:29 AM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Small - Tranny Cooler
>
> Brian Pynn wrote:
> >
> > My friend has recommended I install an auxilliary tranny cooler on my 97
> > Ranger. It's a 3.0L 5spd Rebel Youth model...and as such is only rated
> for
> > max GVW trailer towing of 2000 pounds. Which is exactly what my new
> tent
> > trailer weighs. I already have the larger rad, and haven't noticed any
> > problems with overheating. Would an aux tranny cooler be of real
> benefit?
> > Also, are they inexpensive and easy to install?
>
> The inexpensive models (copper tubes running thru fins) are not worth
> sh*t.
> Before you create alot of work/expense for yourself, why not install a
> tranny
> temperature gauge? If it starts to overheat where you will be driving, at
> least you can pull over before doing damage, and install a "good" oil
> cooler
> when convenient (one that is built like a small radiator).
>
> --
> Chris Slaw
> --
> '97 Explorer V8 19k
> '93 626ES auto 50k
> '90 MustangGT 5spd 60k
> --
> "If you find a path with no obstacles,
> it probably doesn't lead anywhere."
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:41:57 -0400
From: "Eric Davis"
Subject: FTE Small - Shocks

Hey gang. I would like to put some Edledbrock shocks on my 98 Ranger. Does
anyone know if these are good off-road. Also some one was telling me that I
have to get a realignment after I install the shocks. Is this true?? Thanks

Eric Davis
99 4x4 EB Expedition
99 4x4 F-150 Lariat
98 4x4 Ranger,
Custom Exhaust with Edlebrock muffler,
Superchip, K&N.


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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:45:08 -0600
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: FTE Small - snow plows & Explorers

I am curious if anyone has attached a snow plow to Explorers. Is it successful?
Am I correct that Ford might not approve? What is the cost and is it worth the
expense? And, the pros and cons?

Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:03:25 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees

Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members:

We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning,
our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief
announcement for 2 days (this is day 1 of 2). This is our only
exception to commercial advertising on our mailing lists.
Please show your appreciation to them for helping to support the
web site and the lists by checking out their site:

WarranteeWise offers FREE ON-LINE QUOTES for vehicle service
agreements (extended warrantees) on new, pre-owned, and even
the vehicle you are currently driving. (Including "Bumper-to-Bumper"
plans). Prices are significantly lower than factory extended
warrantees.

To visit them, go to the Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site,
( http://www.ford-trucks.com ) and you'll find their link
on the left side of the screen about half-way down.

We would like to you to let then know you heard about them via
Ford Truck Enthusiasts.

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:04:06 -0400
From: J Cope
Subject: FTE Small - V6 emblem

I recently came across a pair of "V6" emblems for the side of my BII. It
didn't come with them stock, and I've been wanting to put them on for a
while. What would be the best way to put them on? I know the stock ones
have that foam behind them....
Thanks!

JC
'88 BII XLT

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:08:19 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - V6 emblem

At 06:04 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently came across a pair of "V6" emblems for the side of my BII. It
>didn't come with them stock, and I've been wanting to put them on for a
>while. What would be the best way to put them on? I know the stock ones
>have that foam behind them....

Any paint and body supply store will have the proper double sided foam
adhesive. (not just plain double sided foam tape) but before you put them
on, use wax remover from the paint supply store and scrub the areas they
will be installed to ensure they stick. Also, ensure it's warm out when
you do install them so the adhesive bonds well... after 24 hours, re-wax
the fenders etc to seal the paint and keep them looking good.
===========================================================
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Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:01:15 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: FTE Small - WarranteeWise... what a joke

Well,
Went to WarranteeWise when I saw the advertisement here on the list...
I highly recomend that we all AVOID them.
They quoted me for their warrantee, then said I also qualified for a better
package, but refused to quote me a price until after I purchased the
standard plan... I asked about payment plans (That all other companies
offer... one year interest free etc) and they said Payment in full period.
These guys are for people that could pay cash for major repairs without a
warranty. Not a good company.
Thanks,
Dave

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:21:50 -0400
From: "Joe Merchak"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer

Well got the truck back from the dealer today. They said found nothing
wrong - could not validate customer's claims. Of course they could not, I
have to run super in the truck to keep it from pinging. This is the third
time back without any positive results. Any suggestions would be helpful.

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[mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ray Scheidnes
Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 9:41 AM
To: 'small-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer


Ping/Spark knock/detonation is caused by the fuel charge being ignited
before the spark plug fires then when the plug does fire all of a sudden
there are two flame fronts (explosions!) heading towards each other with
predictable results.

Joesph Merchak wrote:
>
> I bought a 99 Ranger XLT 4x4 supercab with a 4 speed auto. Since the warm
weather, the engine pings, even when its not under any load. I have taken
back to the dealer and was told nothing is wrong, but they wont explain to
me why I am forced to use plus or better fuel. Has anyone seen this
problem?

Keep going back to the dealer until it's resolved. The same additives
that raise octane in today's gasoline are the prime cause of carbon
deposits that increase the octane need. (catch-22!) There is *NO*
reason to use a fuel of higher octane than Ford specifies for your
engine when it's working as designed and there are TSBs that state that
this will cause more harm than the (intended) good. A couple quick
pings under load aren't anything to worry about but I gather it's more
severe than that! Keep us posted and feel free to e-mail me off list.

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
>
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Pinging is caused by improper detonation of the fuel air mixture in the
combustion chamber. In a typical new car it is only noticed when the engine
is under load at lower RPM's like going up a hill in overdrive or something.
The engine in a current car should run without pinging when using the gas
rated the same as what is printed in the owners manual. Some cars have
detonation sensors that will restrict timing and adjust the fuel/air mixture
to stop detonation in case you end up having to use a fuel that is below the
grade the engine is designed for. A engines designed rating is usually
determined by the compression ratio of the cylinders, though not only by
this.

Of course older vehicles (prior to unleaded fuel) tend to Ping more easily
because of many reasons including: Higher than optimum compression ratio for
the fuel made today, carbon deposits in the cylinders causing "hot" spots,
Poor fuel air mixture and incorrect timing.

Here is a nice web page that goes through pinging and engine kocking:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.virtualsoftware.com/intellipro/happycar/Demo/Prophet/prob82.htm



- --Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:07:31 -0400
- --From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
- --Subject: Re: FTE Small - Pinging on a 3.0L


> ----------
> From: J.S.H.[SMTP:F428 ford-trucks.com]
> Reply To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 10:25 PM
> To: small list
> Subject: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer
>
> My 91 Explorer is pinging.I know this was covered before,
> and if I remember correctly the consensus was EGR valve.
> Is that correct?
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:37:47 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Pinging Explorer

At 11:21 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Well got the truck back from the dealer today. They said found nothing
>wrong - could not validate customer's claims. Of course they could not, I
>have to run super in the truck to keep it from pinging. This is the third
>time back without any positive results. Any suggestions would be helpful.....

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