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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - "Flag"-type side view mirrors...
Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
FTE Small - alternator
Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
RE: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
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Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
FTE Small - Ticking Noise

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:39:41 -0400
From: "Kevin & Laurie Murphy"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "Flag"-type side view mirrors...

On my '93 Explorer, I folded up a small piece of cardboard to about a 1/2"
square and jammed it into the swivel mount with a thin putty knife. No
longer vibrates or folds back by itself.

Kevin and Laurie
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Subject: FTE Small - "Flag"-type side view mirrors...


Does anyone know how to keep the "flag" side mirrors from folding back so
easily? It seems that when they're knocked out of position one too many
times, it gets harder and harder to keep them in the right place or
alignment, especially after each time I close the door, hit a bump, or drive
into a vicious head wind.

I hate having to plunk down $30-45 for a replacement mirror every 6-12
months
or so (just cheap, I guess), so I've tried putting in a few drops of Loctite
blue or green. This works for a while, but the mechanism appears to be
hermetically sealed and most of the Loctite leaks out and ends up on the
door. Would appreciate any tips/tricks out there.

Thanks!
Joe
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:25:20 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

At 01:19 AM 6/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently bought a '90 Ranger XLT, 4-cyl., 5-spd. 9 years old it only
>had 57,000 actual miles, never off a paved road...I love the truck. It is
>the first Ford anyone in my family's ever owned. Anyway, Considering the
>engine it runs great, but I have been driving a Dodge with the Cummins
>turbo and I was wondering... What would it take to turbocharge this mild
>mannered 4-cyl., what would it cost, and would it be worth it? I'm
looking for
>performance, but the kind that makes the truck a work worthy machine, not
>a drag racing demon. Any other tips will be appreciated!!!
>

Unfortunately, to turbocharge it and have it last more than a few hundred
miles without blowing head gaskets etc, you'd need lower compression
pistons to start... then a turbo kit would probably run $3000-$3500, the
EEC-IV would need re-calibrated to properly fuel the turbo'd motor, the
clutch would probably need replaced with a unit that could handle the
higher torque, as well as the trans.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:17:53 -0400
From: David
Subject: FTE Small - alternator

Does antone know the output for the alternator on a 95 Ranger
(4.0L,5spd,4x4,x-cab) Is a high output alternator avalible for this truck?
David Metcalfe


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:07:49 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

At 7:25 AM -0400 6/21/99, David A. Cooley wrote:
>At 01:19 AM 6/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I recently bought a '90 Ranger XLT, 4-cyl., 5-spd. 9 years old it only
>>had 57,000 actual miles, never off a paved road...I love the truck. It is
>>the first Ford anyone in my family's ever owned. Anyway, Considering the
>>engine it runs great, but I have been driving a Dodge with the Cummins
>>turbo and I was wondering... What would it take to turbocharge this mild
>>mannered 4-cyl., what would it cost, and would it be worth it? I'm
>looking for
>>performance, but the kind that makes the truck a work worthy machine, not
>>a drag racing demon. Any other tips will be appreciated!!!
>>
>
>Unfortunately, to turbocharge it and have it last more than a few hundred
>miles without blowing head gaskets etc, you'd need lower compression
>pistons to start... then a turbo kit would probably run $3000-$3500, the
>EEC-IV would need re-calibrated to properly fuel the turbo'd motor, the
>clutch would probably need replaced with a unit that could handle the
>higher torque, as well as the trans.

Jack,

I wouldn't let this message from David scare you off from
turbocharging your Ranger, but it should make you think twice about
what you are getting into.

I own another Ford - a Merkur XR4Ti which is a sports coupe with a
2.3 liter 4 cylinder turbocharged engine (SOHC). I've heard of other
Ford production vehicles with turbochargers as well that could
probably be adapted for your particular application. There are
mailing lists for the Merkurs (and I'm sure for the other vehicles as
well). I am on the IMON (International Merkur Owners Network) list
myself. They are a great bunch of people. One of them also owns a
Ranger in addition to his Merkur, and I could put you in touch with
him if you want.

In theory, if the Ranger weight isn't that much different from that
of the Merkur - you could swap in a Merkur 2.3 engine + turbo +
computer. You would have to adapt the wiring harness as necessary or
swap harnesses. Either choice is not trivial. I also don't know what
would be necessary as far as engine and turbo mounting, but that
should be easy in comparison as there is probably ample room to adapt
as necessary. I know Rangers can come with 2.9 V6 engines and can
probably fit even larger engines. Fitting in a little 'ole 2.3 should
be a piece of cake by comparison.

You can get the engine + turbo for fairly cheap (in comparison to the
above) from a junkyard, but junkyard engines are always a big
unknown. I'd guess you would spend less than $1000 for this setup. If
you found someone with a parts car, you might even be able to do
better by a few hundred bucks (and know a little more about the
hardware).

However, I will have to caution you that the 2.3 engine on a Merkur
is not "tow-capable" according to Ford's owner's manual. While there
have been people who have attached trailer hitches to their vehicles
(myself included) I'm going to tell you to be very careful if you try
this out. This could also be extrapolated as a recommendation to not
put too much heavy cargo in the truck bed. (I think this is mostly
because the transmissions on the Merkurs are not heavy duty - the
engine *should* be up to the task, but keep in mind that the turbos
on our Merkurs are *not* rated for continuous duty. So if you keep
the wastegate open during towing and use a different transmission
than a stock Merkur, you *should* - but aren't guaranteed to be - in
good shape.)

There are a lot of variables here and it would be interesting to see
what could be done. If you decide to try this, let us know how it
works out.

- -Dave
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:16:15 -0700
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

David A. Cooley wrote:

... What would it take to turbocharge this mild
> >>mannered 4-cyl., what would it cost, and would it be worth it?

Ford turbo'd that darned 2.3 in a number of cars. I had a 1980 Capri
with that combo. If I had my druthers, I'd look for one out of an SVO
mustang... few years later (I'm thinking '84). Get the complete engine
& whatever passed for a computer back then. The SVO version was
intercooled & made a big difference in performance. Even with my gutted
exhaust & "water mist injection", I couldn't keep up with the V-8
mustangs, even though I could whomp on a stock turbo'd Mustang/Capri.
As far as trannies, I think the SVO guys swap in the 5 spd from the
XR4ti.

Keep in mind what Dave Slotter posted, this would not be a tow vehicle
after this conversion.

I suppose it is doable... but check into a 5.0 conversion as well... it
seems like that is the more popular swap on this list.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:04:02 -0400
From: Chris Slaw
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

ucmeflyby email.com wrote:
>
> I recently bought a '90 Ranger XLT, 4-cyl., 5-spd. ... What would it take
> to turbocharge this mild mannered 4-cyl., what would it cost, and would it
> be worth it? I'm looking for
> performance, but the kind that makes the truck a work worthy machine, not
> a drag racing demon. Any other tips will be appreciated!!!

There are two ways to go about this, the cheap way and the right way. To do it
the right way, you would want the entire engine, powertrain, processor and
wiring harness from the '87-'88 Turbo Coupe Thunderbird. Best bet would be to
find a donor wreck at the boneyard. The cheap way to do this is to get the
turbo parts off of a TC or Merkur and get an adjustable wastegate to limit
your boost to about 6 or 8 psi on the stock truck block. You will have to
fiddle with bigger injectors, adjustable fuel pressure regulators, etc.

Only problem: Ford doesn't recommend towing with the turbo 2.3, so my choice
would be to swap in a 302. This swap is not that bad on the wallet, and will
outrun, outwork, and outlast a turbo on the 2.3L.

Check out
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.advanceadapters.com/Ford/Ford.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jamesduff.com/broncoII/v8conversions.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tocool4u26/ranger.htm

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'93 626ES auto 50k
'90 MustangGT 5spd 60k
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:28:21 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

>David A. Cooley wrote:
>
>... What would it take to turbocharge this mild
>> >>mannered 4-cyl., what would it cost, and would it be worth it?
>
>Ford turbo'd that darned 2.3 in a number of cars. I had a 1980 Capri
>with that combo. If I had my druthers, I'd look for one out of an SVO
>mustang... few years later (I'm thinking '84). Get the complete engine
>& whatever passed for a computer back then. The SVO version was
>intercooled & made a big difference in performance. Even with my gutted
>exhaust & "water mist injection", I couldn't keep up with the V-8
>mustangs, even though I could whomp on a stock turbo'd Mustang/Capri.
>As far as trannies, I think the SVO guys swap in the 5 spd from the
>XR4ti.

The SVO guys swap in the T-9 from the manual XR4Tis? Usually the
Merkur owners swap in a T-5 to replace the factory T-9. It is a much
hardier transmission and also helps with performance. I don't have
information handy on the gear ratios or other data. (You'll have to
look this up.)

The intercooler is a good piece of equipment to have if you're using
a turbocharged engine. It helps prevent detonation and results in
quicker turbo spool up time from what I hear. Turbo lag is something
you'll hear a lot of Merkur owners complain about.

If you want to subscribe to the Merkur Owners list to learn more, go
to . It is a high-traffic list (30-50
messages/day).

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:37:00 -0500
From: "Duncan, Jeff"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

Just out of curiosity, how much does the swap cost alltogether? And what
does it entail?

Jeff Duncan
Des Moines, Ia
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> From: Chris Slaw [mailto:cslaw ptd.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 3:04 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!
>
>
my choice
> would be to swap in a 302. This swap is not that bad on the
> wallet, and will
> outrun, outwork, and outlast a turbo on the 2.3L.
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:52:24 -0700
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

Dave Slotter wrote:
>
> Turbo lag is something
> you'll hear a lot of Merkur owners complain about.
>

Hated it in my Capri... pre-intercooled turbo... bleccch

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:45:56 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

At 01:16 PM 6/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>David A. Cooley wrote:
>
>... What would it take to turbocharge this mild
>> >>mannered 4-cyl., what would it cost, and would it be worth it?
>
>Ford turbo'd that darned 2.3 in a number of cars. I had a 1980 Capri
>with that combo. If I had my druthers, I'd look for one out of an SVO
>mustang... few years later (I'm thinking '84). Get the complete engine
>& whatever passed for a computer back then. The SVO version was
>intercooled & made a big difference in performance. Even with my gutted
>exhaust & "water mist injection", I couldn't keep up with the V-8
>mustangs, even though I could whomp on a stock turbo'd Mustang/Capri.
>As far as trannies, I think the SVO guys swap in the 5 spd from the
>XR4ti.

The other thing to keep in mind is there are a number of things that need
to be done to a normally aspirated engine to make it live if you turbo
it... If you can find an engine from the SVO mustang, T-Bird turbo coupe or
the XR4Ti, it would drop in and be much easier.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:49:28 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

At 04:28 PM 6/21/99 -0400, you wrote:

>The intercooler is a good piece of equipment to have if you're using
>a turbocharged engine. It helps prevent detonation and results in
>quicker turbo spool up time from what I hear. Turbo lag is something
>you'll hear a lot of Merkur owners complain about.

Actually, an intercooler allows the air to cool before going into the
intake... this allows you to run more boost before seeing detonation.
As to lag, I've played with MANY turbo cars of many makes and models...
adding an intercooler to a non-intercooled car increases lag... more volume
to compress before the boost hits it's operating level... Vehicles that are
intercooled have the turbine/turbine housing/compressor and compressor
housings sized to allow the turbo to spool faster, negating the lag induced
by the extra plumbing and volume.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:45:42 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

At 4:49 PM -0400 6/21/99, David Cooley wrote:
> >The intercooler is a good piece of equipment to have if you're using
>>a turbocharged engine. It helps prevent detonation and results in
>>quicker turbo spool up time from what I hear. Turbo lag is something
>>you'll hear a lot of Merkur owners complain about.
>
>Actually, an intercooler allows the air to cool before going into the
>intake... this allows you to run more boost before seeing detonation.

Correct.

>As to lag, I've played with MANY turbo cars of many makes and models...
>adding an intercooler to a non-intercooled car increases lag...

I would have to argue that this depends on the particular setup. The
change in lag depends on how long the pipe is to/from the
intercooler, as that will vary the volume of air between the turbo
and the intake. If keep the pipe length short between the turbo and
TB intake, such as placing the intercooler just below the hood and
installing a hood scoop, I would say that this would provide a
positive increase in performance across more of the RPM range than
just having the intercooler mounted down low below the radiator.

I will have to add in my disclaimer that I have not (as of yet)
installed an intercooler in my XR4Ti because it is an automatic and
the C-3 just isn't up to the job that the stock manual T-9 is. But
many people that add intercoolers to their XR also upgrade the stock
T-9 to a T-5 (a significant amount of work). I will say that I have
personally seen a lot of intercooled Merkurs and that the
intercoolers *have* resulted in faster acceleration, higher boost
levels, and generally happier owners. Perhaps the Merkur is just a
different beast? I do know that this car just loves any increase in
volume of air flow and responds in a positive way. People typically
add intercoolers and then throw out the 2.25" downpipe and exhaust
system and switch to a 3" exhaust and free-flowing CAT (as allowed by
law).

But I digress... This is the Small Ford Trucks list and weren't we
talking about Rangers?

- -Dave
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:14:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sandman
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

It is possible to turbo the stock engine, but not really much more that 8
pounds tops, which is worth about 30 hp from what I have heard.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford ranger. com has some links in the links section, search for
the word turbo and you will find several links. I believe a place called
Ranger Power Sports sells a turbo kit for around $1000, not sure how well
it works though. If you really want to do it right, go get an engine
and computer out of a Merkur, Mustang SVO, or tbird turbocoupe. I know
that superchips sells a chip for those engines that raises the boost to 25
pounds if you really want to get it moving. I have thought about this
swap for my ranger, as well as a 302. The thing I like about this swap is
the mileage would stay up and it wouldn't be a heavy so it would handle
better.


On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 ucmeflyby email.com wrote:

> I recently bought a '90 Ranger XLT, 4-cyl., 5-spd. 9 years old it only
> had 57,000 actual miles, never off a paved road...I love the truck. It is
> the first Ford anyone in my family's ever owned. Anyway, Considering the
> engine it runs great, but I have been driving a Dodge with the Cummins
> turbo and I was wondering... What would it take to turbocharge this mild mannered 4-cyl., what would it cost, and would it be worth it? I'm looking for
> performance, but the kind that makes the truck a work worthy machine, not
> a drag racing demon. Any other tips will be appreciated!!!
>
> Jack from north Mississippi
>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:45:17 -0400
From: Mason Phillips
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "New" old Ranger needs a boost!

Another choice is to sell the engine and tranny from your truck and use the money
to buy a small block like a 302 and a C-4 or C-6 tranny or the tranny out of a 5.0
mustang. This is another option and can be done for well under a 1000 bucks. A
stock 302 will give you alot more HP... Not a drag racer but very quick. Many
companies sell a kit for this. Certain 302 need adaptation. One with a rear oil
sump is required for the swap but with a kit either type will work. My opinion is
to avoid the turbocharger. but like I said its just an opinion

Mason Phillips

Dave Slotter wrote:

> At 7:25 AM -0400 6/21/99, David A. Cooley wrote:
> >At 01:19 AM 6/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >>I recently bought a '90 Ranger XLT, 4-cyl., 5-spd. 9 years old it only
> >>had 57,000 actual miles, never off a paved road...I love the truck. It is
> >>the first Ford anyone in my family's ever owned. Anyway, Considering the
> >>engine it runs great, but I have been driving a Dodge with the Cummins
> >>turbo and I was wondering... What would it take to turbocharge this mild
> >>mannered 4-cyl., what would it cost, and would it be worth it? I'm
> >looking for
> >>performance, but the kind that makes the truck a work worthy machine, not
> >>a drag racing demon. Any other tips will be appreciated!!!
>

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