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small-list-digest Thursday, June 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 150



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - help with Explorer and cd receiver
Re: FTE Small - AC Fire
Re: FTE Small - AC Fire
Re: FTE Small - help with Explorer and cd receiver
Re: FTE Small - help with Explorer and cd receiver
Re: FTE Small - AC Fire
Re: FTE Small - Cleaning up

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:38:40 -0400
From: David Cooley
Subject: Re: FTE Small - help with Explorer and cd receiver

At 10:40 PM 6/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
>actually, what you have to do is 1. get the correct bypass harness. This
>is basically just a harness that disconnects the 20x4 amp that is in the
>passenger side rear quarter panel. it should not require you to run a
>wire, it does however require you to remove the quarter panel back there to
>access the wiring on the factory amp. (not that big of a deal on a 4 door,
>a real pain on a 2 door).

Do all the later explorers with premium non-jbl sound have this amp? (Like
my 97 XLT)?
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:13:08 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - AC Fire

This happens alot??? Oh my goodness. I hope not.

Alan Wilson
1998 3.0 Supercab Ranger

"David A. Cooley" wrote:

> Fred,
> If you can get enough documented cases to prove it's a common occurence,
> you can contact the federal trade commission and the Department of
> transportation and have Ford forced into a recall and grandfather making
> the repair a warranted item regardless of mileage.
>
> At 07:12 PM 6/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I had a cheery little blaze erupt in my Ranger A/C evaporator plenum this
> >weekend. I smelled burning leaves, then had white smoke flood the cab
> >from the vents. Shut down the A/C, pulled over, popped the hood and put
> >out the fire.
> >
> >In talking to another Ranger owner, I found that this is a fairly common
> >problem, with leaves apparently migrating from the cowl vents into the
> >plenum where they come in contact with some hot component. He took his to
> >the dealer, and they said, "Yeah, that happens a lot." The repair wasn't
> >cheap.
> >
> >I have several questions:
> >1. Since this appears to be a frequent occurrence, does Ford offer any
> >type of extended warranty repair for what seems to be a design flaw
> >(Don't laugh, I figure it's worth asking about)?
> >
> >2. Assuming the answer to #1 is no, does anyone know what parts I will
> >need, and whether the plenum is available for less than two arms and a
> >leg? I haven't checked the junk yards yet, but I will do that.
> >
> >3. Is it going to be as much of a pain as it looks like to remove the
> >plenum?
> >
> >Any advice will be greatly appreciated
> >
> >Fred Wise
> >'94 Ranger Supercab 3.0L
> >

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:11:33 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - AC Fire

At 8:39 PM -0400 6/15/99, David A. Cooley wrote:
>Fred,
>If you can get enough documented cases to prove it's a common occurence,
>you can contact the federal trade commission and the Department of
>transportation and have Ford forced into a recall and grandfather making
>the repair a warranted item regardless of mileage.

This is easier said than done. I'd recommend that if Fred wants to
push for a recall then great. But if he just wants his vehicle fixed,
then he should contact his local dealer and see what they can do. If
they can't or won't fix the problem, then talk to Ford corporate and
see what they are willing to do. If this doesn't work, then I'd
recommend seeking arbitration through the Better Business Bureau
and/or seeking a lawyer and taking Ford Motor Company to court.

I am not a lawyer, however, and this is just my advice. I don't know
if Fred is the original owner and if he has different (or less)
rights if he is not the original purchaser of the vehicle.

I do know that your vehicle should *NEVER* catch on fire under
"normal" operation. You have every right to have a safe vehicle, Fred.

Let us know how you are able to resolve the situation. Good luck!

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:39:45 -0500
From: Jordan Dean
Subject: Re: FTE Small - help with Explorer and cd receiver

At 09:38 AM 6/16/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At 10:40 PM 6/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>actually, what you have to do is 1. get the correct bypass harness. This
>>is basically just a harness that disconnects the 20x4 amp that is in the
>>passenger side rear quarter panel. it should not require you to run a
>>wire, it does however require you to remove the quarter panel back there to
>>access the wiring on the factory amp. (not that big of a deal on a 4 door,
>>a real pain on a 2 door).
>
>Do all the later explorers with premium non-jbl sound have this amp? (Like
>my 97 XLT)?

As far as I know, they do this b/c the head unit (cassette normally)
doesn't have it's own amp. Mine is a 93, but it should be the same deal
(the instructions I got from crutchfield didn't specify year I think). You
could also get a harness to lower the speaker outs of the new cd player and
leave the factory amp, but I don't think that it will sound nearly as good
as removing the amp from the system.
Jordan

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:58:25 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - help with Explorer and cd receiver

At 09:39 PM 6/16/99 -0500, you wrote:

>As far as I know, they do this b/c the head unit (cassette normally)
>doesn't have it's own amp. Mine is a 93, but it should be the same deal
>(the instructions I got from crutchfield didn't specify year I think). You
>could also get a harness to lower the speaker outs of the new cd player and
>leave the factory amp, but I don't think that it will sound nearly as good
>as removing the amp from the system.

Well,
Just pulled the inside pass. side rear cover... There it was!
I guess this means the factory stereo has low level outputs... Guess I just
need a bigger amp!
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:17:51 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - AC Fire

fwise juno.com wrote:
>
> I had a cheery little blaze erupt in my Ranger A/C evaporator plenum this
> weekend.

I believe this happened to Adam also not too long ago in his B-II

> In talking to another Ranger owner, I found that this is a fairly common
> problem, with leaves apparently migrating from the cowl vents into the
> plenum where they come in contact with some hot component.

And other vehicles; the hot component is the blower resistor that sits
inside the airflow of the HVAC for cooling purposes. Clean the cowl
area often.

> He took his to
> the dealer, and they said, "Yeah, that happens a lot." The repair wasn't
> cheap.
>
> I have several questions:
> 1. Since this appears to be a frequent occurrence, does Ford offer any
> type of extended warranty repair for what seems to be a design flaw
> (Don't laugh, I figure it's worth asking about)?

No laughter here.. but it'd be covered under customer care. Good luck.
:-( They'll say you should keep the air intake un-obstructed.

>
> 2. Assuming the answer to #1 is no, does anyone know what parts I will
> need, and whether the plenum is available for less than two arms and a
> leg? I haven't checked the junk yards yet, but I will do that.

I'd suggest the junkyard thing, but might be surprised on the OE parts

>
> 3. Is it going to be as much of a pain as it looks like to remove the
> plenum?

Which part? The under cowl or the evaporator/heater core part? The
core part isn't as bad as it looks with a swivel socket. ;-)

Tim
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:25:03 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Cleaning up

Adam McLaughlin wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any ideas or tips on what I could do or use to clean up my
> street? I dropped some dirty brake fluid on it in front of the house when I
> installed my lift kit.

A couple cans of brake cleaner and a roll of paper towels. Next time
do it on the lawn so the neighbors dont b***h.

> My mom and dad say that I can't do any more work on
> the car until after I clean up the street. I've tried simple green, gunk
> engine degreaser and the like, but I need to remove the dark spots.

If all else fails find some paint of a similar color and paint the
spots! ;-)

Tim
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