small-list-digest Tuesday, January 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 007



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In this issue:

FTE Small - 5.0 Rangers in California?
FTE Small - Rear Axle End Play
Re: FTE Small - 5.0 Rangers in California?
Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:37:51 -0800
From: "Tim J. Clevenger"
Subject: FTE Small - 5.0 Rangers in California?

Anybody out there drive a Ranger with a 5.0L or 5.7L in California? =
Please e-mail me off-list. I'm interested in hearing about your setup, =
any install problems you ran into, and what it's like getting smogged =
every two years. I'm interested in dropping a 5.0 and 5-speed in my '83 =
Ranger.

Thanks.

Regards,

Tim Clevenger
'86 Ford Ranger 'S' 2WD (181k)
'83 Ford Ranger 2WD (163k)

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:44:39 -0700
From: "M. Monninger"
Subject: FTE Small - Rear Axle End Play

Anyone know what the specs are for rear axle end play? I have an 89 Ranger
with a 3.45 rear end and a 93 Ranger with a 3.73 Limited Slip rear end. One
rear axle on each seems to have a lot of end play, I'd guess 1/16" or more.
On the 89 it's the right rear, on the 93 it's the left rear. The other side
of each does not have noticible end play. Both are 2WD, 5sp. The 89 has a
2.3L with about 120K mi, the 93 a 3.0 with 45K mi. The 89 has a clunk in
the rear when turning left, it sounds like something rolling around in the
bed. I haven't noticed that on the 93. If I grab the bed over the rear
wheel and rock it back & forth I get a pretty pronounced clunk on both.

Is there anything to worry about here? What determines end play? Am I about
to lose a rear wheel soon?

Thanks...

Mark

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 17:42:59 PST
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 5.0 Rangers in California?

>Anybody out there drive a Ranger with a 5.0L or 5.7L in California? Please e-mail me off-list. I'm intere>sted in hearing about your setup, any install problems you ran into, and what it's like getting smogged eve>ry two years. I'm interested in dropping a 5.0 and 5-speed in my '83 Ranger.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>
>Tim Clevenger
>'86 Ford Ranger 'S' 2WD (181k)
>'83 Ford Ranger 2WD (163k)
>

I'm also interested in anyone's experiences.
I'm just starting the process on my '88 4x4 Ranger that currently has a 2.9L.
If you're doing a 2WD, you'll have much less trouble.
Here's my input so far:
1) tranny to transfer case adapter (applies only to 4WD & some 2WD Bronco II's):
There are several combinations of existing transmissions and donor transmissions.
Try very hard to get installation instructions before you buy & check all of the
measurements carefully. I'm taking out a Mitsubishi 5 speed (code D) 28.7" from
front of bellhousing to front of transfer case. I bought an Advanced Adapters
kit and they wouldn't send me the instructions beforehand. I know Custom Conversions
uses the same kit & I suspect that James Duff does as well since their photo looks
identical to what I've got.
From my measurements before installing, it looks like my shifter will move forward
about 1.5". The big problem is that the tranfer case shifter mount will move back
about 2.6" relative to the transfer case. Since the linkage is a lever, the fulcrum
point (large shifter mount bolt) cannot move relative to the transfer case. Since the
new mount point is also 1/2" shallower, I can make an adapter from sheet stock and put
the linkage back where it belongs. What burned me was that when I called Advanced
Adapters, they acted like it wasn't their problem. They said they had never heard of
the problem and couldn't suggest a fix. It may be that Ford used various transfer
cases or shifter linkages, but I think my conversion is common enough that they would
have heard about this. Due to this, I dropped the transfer case just to be sure the
new spud shaft actually fit my case before I committed to buying the donor engine &
T5 tranny. It fits, but it was a four hour job (probably 1-1/2 hours if I had to do
it again).

Also, I was originally going to buy a brand new heavy duty T5 (7003-Z) but the adapter
instructions said it wouldn't work with Fords that use taper bearing inside input shaft.
No one I talked to knew what this meant, but I found a web site that stated that
"a tapered roller pocket bearing between the input shaft and the output shaft" was phased
into 1993 T5 production for all V8 Mustangs. It was sheer luck that I hadn't yet ordered
the new T5 and been on the hook for $1100. I'm assuming that it's not safe to get a 1993
or later T5 transmission.

Also, the instructions state "on some Ford T5 transmissions, we have found that the oil
funnel and bearing race that is assembled in the tailhousing is .160" deeper on the Ford
than on the new tailhousing that is provided with our kit. If this is true on your T5
transmission, you will need to have the new tailhousing machined to match the stock
housing".
No one I've asked knows what this means. If anyone has done this specific swap using
the Advanced Adapters kit # 50-1803, I would like to know what year tranny you used
and if it worked without modifications.

2) motor mounts:
I'm currently evaluating the literature on these. It seems that all of them require
dropping in the engine with the drivetrain hooked-up, marking the frame, then pulling
the engine & drilling. Custom Conversions has a template that can be used without
dropping in the engine first, but it requires cutting a 1-1/2" slot in the frame.
From the photos & drawings, it looks like each company is selling the same mount and
I'll probably just get the least expensive ones.

3) wiring:
This looks fairly straightforward but tedious. The Ford Motorsports catalog lists a
manual for their wiring harnesses for $5 that is worth getting. It's just a pictorial
drawing, no schematics, but I found it very useful in forming an overall picture of the
electrical system. The electrical & vacuum books for the target & donor vehicles can
be bought from Helm (www.helminc.com) and are extremely useful. These schematics are
organized by circuit funtion. The schematics are also available from Helm but are
almost unreadable because they are organized by connector and the signals must be traced
over several pages & back. These could be useful if you really need to trace out an
unknown wire.

4) radiator:
Everyone recommends using a 4-core that requires rearranging things in that area.
Custom Converstions has an aluminum single core that is supposed to bolt right into
a Ranger with zero mods. The tube is 1-3/8" diameter and the core thickness is 1-1/2".
I'm not sure if this will dissipate as much heat as a 4-core brass or not.

5) exhaust:
Here's the biggest problem for California. The Bureau of Automotive Repair will give
some information & they try to help but it's up to the referee that you get to pass
or fail your setup. One interesting thing I found out is that the Mustang is considered
to have a single exhaust due to the crossover pipe. Since you must put in whatever type
the donor had, this gives you options of keeping the Mustang setup or going to a large
single pipe, which I'll need to do in my 4x4. The people at the BAR said the referees
are very strict & that they try do discourage people from doing any engine swaps (they
nearly discouraged me) but that it can be done.


This is what I've run into so far. Again, I'm just getting started & am going to pick up
the donor engine & tranny this week. However, my truck is due to be smogged in April, so
I'm going to play it safe & do that before I start the swap. That will give me two years
to get it right

Well, this turned out to be longer than I expected. If this discussion does go offline,
I would definitely like to be copied.

Hope this helps and would also like to hear from anyone else with experience in this.

- -- Don



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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 99 19:29:42 PST
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

Tim Turner wrote:

>Well said! I might add that cars are in essence an extension of our
>homes and shouldnt be invaded either. I dont mind hearing a SMALL thump
>at the light, but when rolling up my window doesnt eliminate the
>interference to MY radio (stereo OR CB) is when I start fuming. (Hmmm..
>if I put a 1000W linear amp on my CB it ouught to produce enough
>harmonics to come in through any nearby stereos.. could be a plan..)

I've always wondered how effective it would be if everyone at an
intersection began honking their horns in unison with the beat. I
know it would raise the existing noise level but it would be for a
good cause. If a "thumper" were followed by honking horns everywhere
he went, it might take the fun out of it.

These thumping cars are so ubiquitous in California that I don't think
the law is enforced at all.

- -- Don
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:03:40 -0700
From: "M. Monninger"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

At 07:29 PM 1/11/99 PST, Don wrote:
>I've always wondered how effective it would be if everyone at an
>intersection began honking their horns in unison with the beat. I
>know it would raise the existing noise level but it would be for a
>good cause. If a "thumper" were followed by honking horns everywhere
>he went, it might take the fun out of it.
> ...

Yeah, but most of them are probably deaf from their thumpers and probably
wouldn't hear it anyway. I once got stuck between two of those bozos at a
light. My ears rang (more than normal) for at least a couple hours.


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