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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Crome Bumpers
FTE Small - Truck mileage
FTE Small - Blowing Speakers
FTE Small - Explorer Headers..
Re: FTE Small - Sob..goodbyr
FTE Small - Broncos/rangers/et al.
FTE Small - I have a few upgrade questions for an Explorer.
FTE Small - Headlight Covers Question.. (93-97 Rangers)
Re: FTE Small - Blowing Speakers
Re: FTE Small - Ford Excursion to be officially revealed tomorrow
Re: FTE Small - Broncos/rangers/et al.
Re: FTE Small - Truck mileage
Re: FTE Small - Headlight Covers Question.. (93-97 Rangers)
FTE Small - Fuel Pump problem on an '86 Ford Ranger
Re: FTE Small - Truck mileage
Re: FTE Small - Crome Bumpers
RE: FTE Small - Broncos/rangers/et al.
FTE Small - Aerostar vs. Explorer
Re: FTE Small - Aerostar vs. Explorer
FTE Small - Frame-mounted fuel pump for 302
FTE Small - Sway Bar studs
Re: FTE Small - Crome Bumpers
FTE Small - Re: small-list-digest. FM RECEPTION IN 98 EXPLORER XLT 5.0L

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:02:03 -0700
From: Ken Justice
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Crome Bumpers

Eric,

Have you checked the used parts market?

Regards,

Ken Justice
Discover the Working Mat!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.workingmat.com

>Does anyone know if you can paint crome on. I would like to make my bumpers
>crome but I don't want to pay $600 to get new ones. Thanks
>
>Eric Davis
>98 4x4 Ranger,
>Edlebrock muffler, K&N
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:37:58 -0800
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - Truck mileage

Bill Ciocco wrote -------------------------------------------------

Take the TV stories with a grain of salt. The environmentalists
(socialists/communists) HATE the new Ford Excursion, as they do
anything that is an expression of the free market or freedom in
general.

My reply ----------------------------------------------------------

So environmentalists are all socialists and communists, huh? Bill, you
have an awful lot to learn about how none of these things are related.
How about studying some history from somebody other than Rush Limbaugh.
Since you lump all of this together into a "turbo-evil," I guess that I
must be a communist/socalist/environmentalist/(add more bigotries
here). And, geez, I thought that all I wanted was some clean air to
breathe. Cough, Gakk!

Richard


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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:54:07 -0800
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - Blowing Speakers

Jim Chapman asked --------------------------------------------------

Sir: What do you mean by the phrase " 300 Watts RMS"? I have never seen
that
term when referring to power.

Me -----------------------------------------------------------------

Jim, I don't want to get into this here; my fingers have gotten tired of
typing so much about audio here.

1. Please read over the last week's posts on this list. You'll find
some electrical explanations from other folks on this issue.

2. RMS is the uniform "honest" method for expressing amplifier power.
This is the accepted advertising standard for honme stereo advertising,
along with a few other parameters (years ago, this standard was signed
onto by virtually every mfr except for Radio Shack [which shows you how
much RS cared for honesty]).

3. If people have been talking to you about amplifier power and not
qualifying their statements with "RMS," I'd say that you are dealing
with hucksters who shouldn't be trusted. I'd also not trust them when
they tell you that you need 100 watts per channel in a vehicle. 45
watts is plenty, sufficient to deafen all the passengers on a Greyhound
bus.

Richard

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:51:45 PST
From: "Michael Krause"
Subject: FTE Small - Explorer Headers..

Ding-
I'm sure if you pick up some of those Mustang performance magazines or
if you visit some Mustang sites they can steer you in the right
direction. I know that you engine is basically the same as the 5.0L in
the older Mustangs with the addition of some GT-40 stuff. I have a
pretty good article on you engine in a Motor Trend from a while ago. If
you want it I can get it to you, just let me know. Hope this helps you
in your pursuit. Take care.
Mike
sharktooth_76 hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:50:11 -0600
From: Mike Fisher
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Sob..goodbyr

A Range Rover should be a better vehicle at twice ( or more )the price!
I am sick of people comparing the quality of a car that costs $30k to
one that costs $60k! Get real.

Mike Fisher
'97 AWD Mountaineer

> The good news, and please...no flame wars...I am replacing her with a Range
> Rover 4.6 HSE - it is gorgeous, the air suspension is something you just
> HAVE to try!
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:40:15 -0500
From: Steve P
Subject: FTE Small - Broncos/rangers/et al.

I joined this list to learn about maintaining and repairing my '87
Bronco II, and hoped to also find some cool aftermarkets mods to be done
as well... But the actual amount of messages about our trucks this list
is supposed to generate is minimal, while discussions of car-audio,
Big-ford-trucks, the enviroment, and the occasional mention of Mufflers
or Bedliners/covers thrown in to the mix. I have been on a few other
car lists (and I still am in fact) and they provide good, hard to find
information about the specific vehicle(s) in good quantity.

Notably, and also sadly so, the two lists I have joined that are poorest
in content quantity/quality have been the T-bird list, and this one...
Both FORD list (I love Fords my dad retired from Ford). While the other
GM products lists, (and a Jeep List) are thoroughly saturated with
discussions of repairs, improvements/modifications, maintenance
guidlines etc.... With little (albiet some) off-topic discussions about
car-audio (see the Car-audio List), or other off topic vehicle
discussion etc...

I am unsure of the actual numbers of members of this list, but it seems
like a small SIG, compared to the 350+member lists for my other
vehicles..

Where is all this heading you may be wondering? (if you're still reading
this)
I am looking for web-page address's, other lists, or other recommended
sources of information to learn about my vehicle, and what its potential
is in regards to improving power and/or mileage.


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dragon64 ntcnet.com
ICQ UIN#1801529
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Monte Carlo SS Thunder!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ntcnet.com/~dragon64/Monte_SS.html
'87 MCSS ZZ4 "Incarcerator" 13.88 e.t.
'97 T-Bird 4.6L "Blackbird"
'87 Bronco II 2.9L "Bronco Billy" 4WD
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:43:59 -0800
From: Cameron Gordon
Subject: FTE Small - I have a few upgrade questions for an Explorer.

Hi everybody, about 6 months ago I bought a 98 Explorer XLT, and I was
thinking about putting a few bucks into upgrading it. I'm not looking
to spend too much. Does anyone know of any place I can find some kits on
the net, i.e. a billet grill kit etc. I was also looking for a few
enhancements to the HP on my 4.0l V6. Thanks in advance....


Cameron Gordon


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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:10:44 PST
From: "Joe Mitchell"
Subject: FTE Small - Headlight Covers Question.. (93-97 Rangers)

Just a quick question for anyone who has headlight covers and a 93-97
Ranger....I was wondering if the ones for these year models "snap" on or
something else? All of the Ranger's that I have seen with these look
like there is no other way for the covers to stay on. I was wondering
because I don't want to get any if, when I take them off, there are
velcro squares on my headlights....Any info appreciated...
Joe

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:32:29 -0500
From: "Jim Chapman"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Blowing Speakers

Where is RMS power ( rms watts) defined in an electrical engineering text?
No such term. Most people don't understand electrical voltage, current and
power terms.
v/r jimc
ps thanks for your reply
- -----Original Message-----
From: rgstein pacbell.net
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 1:15 PM
Subject: FTE Small - Blowing Speakers


>Jim Chapman asked --------------------------------------------------
>
>Sir: What do you mean by the phrase " 300 Watts RMS"? I have never seen
>that
>term when referring to power.
>
>Me -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Jim, I don't want to get into this here; my fingers have gotten tired of
>typing so much about audio here.
>
>1. Please read over the last week's posts on this list. You'll find
>some electrical explanations from other folks on this issue.
>
>2. RMS is the uniform "honest" method for expressing amplifier power.
>This is the accepted advertising standard for honme stereo advertising,
>along with a few other parameters (years ago, this standard was signed
>onto by virtually every mfr except for Radio Shack [which shows you how
>much RS cared for honesty]).
>
>3. If people have been talking to you about amplifier power and not
>qualifying their statements with "RMS," I'd say that you are dealing
>with hucksters who shouldn't be trusted. I'd also not trust them when
>they tell you that you need 100 watts per channel in a vehicle. 45
>watts is plenty, sufficient to deafen all the passengers on a Greyhound
>bus.
>
>Richard
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:45:21 -0600 (CST)
From: Diana Slyter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ford Excursion to be officially revealed tomorrow

Not neccessarily. Modern diesels put out almost no particulants and are
lower on most polutants and competitive on NOX.

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dianas __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____
dianas primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ /
/ / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ /-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Tim Turner wrote:

>
>
> Diana Slyter wrote:
> >
> > I'm an environmentalist. As long as Ford offers a diesel engine in it I
> > love the Excursion.
>
> So you prefer more particulate matter per mile than almost zero CO, NOx
> and HC? Seems odd to me. If the Excursion truly *does* get LEV
> certified it should be a darn sight cleaner than any oil-burner. A
> diesel is a nasty little bugger when it comes to emissions; just more
> fuel effecient.
>
>
> > Can you imagine a more efficent way to haul a crew of
> > 9 workers and a trailer full of gear?
>
> A Ranger with 6 workers in the rear and a hitch. ;-)
>
>
> TT
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:02:55 -0500
From: Jim Storch
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Broncos/rangers/et al.

Steve P wrote:

> Where is all this heading you may be wondering? (if you're still reading
> this)
> I am looking for web-page address's, other lists, or other recommended
> sources of information to learn about my vehicle, and what its potential
> is in regards to improving power and/or mileage.

Steve,
Check these two sites out:

Kunz Korner - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford ranger. com/wwwboard3.html
"Outstanding" technical message board dedicated to the 2.9L V6.

Bronco II Forum - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x44u.vmag.com/forum/b2-1097/

JimS


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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:41:50 -0800
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Truck mileage

rgstein pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Bill Ciocco wrote -------------------------------------------------

>
> My reply ----------------------------------------------------------

> Richard

hey guys.... I admire that you both are willing to stand up and express
an opinion... but this isn't really the forum for that. We have heard
from both sides, now please take it off-list.

- --
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:37:55 EST
From: FrdRngrLvr AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Headlight Covers Question.. (93-97 Rangers)

GTO headlight cover/blackouts just snap in place

Jim
96 ranger
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:35:43 -0700
From: "David Herron"
Subject: FTE Small - Fuel Pump problem on an '86 Ford Ranger

Hi --

I just bought my first ford pickup ('86 Ford Ranger 2.3L 4cyl FI 2wd)
and
brought it home.... It had sat around for awhile, and needed cleaning up.
I washed the engine out w/ a pressure washer, and got it cleaned to a
'servicable' condition. After a couple of hours w/ the hood up, I started
it up. Piece of cake. It started without a hitch. I then brought it into
the garage to take a look. An hour later, I started it again to move it to
the driveway for more light. An hour later, I was going to move it back to
the garage, and it wouldn't start. After fiddling with it for a bit, I
found that the fuel pump wasn't running. If I sprayed gasoline down it's
throat, It started fine, but as soon as i stopped, it was gone. So, with
the washing and everything, we thought it was probably electrical.
We jumped (not literally :-) ) under the chassis and found two fuel
pumps (which after purchasing a chilton's book, we found to be a high and
low pressure pump). We couldn't get to the power connection on the low
pressure pump without dropping the tank, so we checked the power connection
on the high pressure pump. It appeared to have no power even when the key
was on. Contacting our local AutoZone, we got a relay that they said was
probably our problem. It was located in the engine compartment, passenger
side, on the fender wall. We changed it out. No dice. We also checked the
inertia switch in the vehicle, but (of course) it wasn't tripped.
Also, during fiddling w/ the high pressure pump, the low pressure pump
came on for just a minute. It then stopped, and hasn't been heard from
since. :-)

I have many questions:

Are the pumps regulated by some other device (ie. a regulator that
turns on the low pressure pump until a certain PSI is reached, then
activates the High Pressure pump)? Or does each pump run independently? Do
they run simultaneously? Should there always be power to both? Is there a
fuse or fusable link in that connection, or only that relay? Do you have
any clue where else I may look? We are at our wits end trying to figure out
what the problem could be, and we're almost to the point of rewiring the
pumps. I would appreciate any response or help you may give.

Thanks in advance,

--Dave

David Herron - dherron cpmc4u.com


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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:51:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ciocco
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Truck mileage

I agree. I said my piece and left it at that. I would like the
audiophiles to do the same. Certainly there is a place that they can
discuss all of their RMS's and amps and woofers and tweeters.

This USED TO BE a list for small Ford truck owners and discussions
related to their vehicles.

Bill
Putting on my flame proof coat.




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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:36:46 -0500
From: "Eric Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Crome Bumpers

I don't know where to find them.


Eric Davis
98 4x4 Ranger,
Edlebrock muffler, K&N.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Justice
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Crome Bumpers


>Eric,
>
>Have you checked the used parts market?
>
>Regards,
>
>Ken Justice
>Discover the Working Mat!
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.workingmat.com
>
>>Does anyone know if you can paint crome on. I would like to make my
bumpers
>>crome but I don't want to pay $600 to get new ones. Thanks
>>
>>Eric Davis
>>98 4x4 Ranger,
>>Edlebrock muffler, K&N
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:16:36 -0600
From: "Bradley A. Trefz"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Broncos/rangers/et al.

I've got a big list of sites related to the Bronco II(its under construction
so bear with me) at my homepages - www.concentric.net/~Trats/Bronco.shtml to
be exact.

Brad T.

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From:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Jim Storch
Sent:Monday, 01 March 1999 0803
To:small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE Small - Broncos/rangers/et al.

Steve P wrote:

> Where is all this heading you may be wondering? (if you're still reading
> this)
> I am looking for web-page address's, other lists, or other recommended
> sources of information to learn about my vehicle, and what its potential
> is in regards to improving power and/or mileage.

Steve,
Check these two sites out:

Kunz Korner - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford ranger. com/wwwboard3.html
"Outstanding" technical message board dedicated to the 2.9L V6.

Bronco II Forum - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x44u.vmag.com/forum/b2-1097/

JimS


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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 99 00:03:47 UT
From: "Mark Biederbeck"
Subject: FTE Small - Aerostar vs. Explorer

After all of the recent activity (mostly negative) about the Aerostar, I
thought I would wait until it all died down and add my $.02. I'll be the
first to agree that the Aerostar is not a Voyager/Caravan/etc. but I'm also
glad it's not. Also, I don't see much need to buy a basic 3.0 liter short
version but when you compare the version I own to an Explorer, it looks pretty
good. I paid about $2,000 less for a 93 4.0 all-wheel-drive extended Aerostar
than for a comparable Explorer. In addition, I get great towing specs,
ability to carry 7 people, better mileage, lower insurance costs, and it has
been able to do everything I have asked of it off-road which includes hunting
on some "fairly rough" roads. It goes like a scalded-dog and after adding KYB
shocks and a rear anti-sway bar ($220 total, 4 hours) handles acceptably well.
When I go on a weekend fishing trip I take out the two rear seats and can
sleep two very comfortably. For camping with two kids I take out the
rear-most seat and cram-in (honest to God) a big tent, big cooler, 4 sleeping
bags, big cook kit, 2 mountain bikes, bike trailer, fishing gear, boxes of
food, 4 cots and lots of miscellaneous. NO WAY in an Explorer! The only
serious drawbacks I see are they screwed up on the dimension between the rear
wheel wells (ever so slightly less than 48" for sheet goods) and it doesn't
have good resale value but I plan to drive it until the wheels fall off. So
far, 66,000 with virtually no trouble (tires, muffler, shocks, front pads) and
some minor warranty/recall work. All of the other drawbacks are typical Ford
drawbacks (ignition key disease, rear only ABS, parking brake light disease,
etc.).

I consider myself a solid outdoorsman (hunt/fish/hike/camp) but am seriously
considering selling my 91 Ranger 4x4 Xtracab 4.0 Auto since the only advantage
is I can throw that bloody elk/deer in without a tarp. But man, when I come
in from the rain all soaked nothing is better than to have that "cavern" to
change in. Usually the roads it can go down that the Aerostar can't get me in
trouble. On snow/ice, that AWD system is damn near unflappable.

Don't want to start any wars, just want to give people something to consider
if they're in the market for an Aerostar/Explorer/Ranger. Feel free to write
directly if you have any questions.

Mark Biederbeck

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:48:15 EST
From: Ding060297 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Aerostar vs. Explorer

Does anyone know who i can get a hold of and find out if by adding some
serious upgrades to my explorer with all wheel drive and 5.0 v8 if i'll be
killing my t-case i'm worried about the extra torque being put thru it by a
supercharger that i might strain the hell out of it and do some damage..any
insight on this or anyone i can write to would be really appreciated
thanks.................ding
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99 19:08:46 PST
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: FTE Small - Frame-mounted fuel pump for 302

I'm putting a 302 into my '88 Ranger and a fuel calculator shows
that I need a 79 L/hr fuel pump. I believe my current frame-mounted
pump is rated for 66 L/hr. The stock Mustang in-tank pump is rated
at 110 L/hr but I'd like to stick with a frame-mounted pump.
Does anyone know of a frame-mounted pump capable of 80+ L/hr?
Possibly one of the larger trucks that came with 302's or 351's ?
My local dealer isn't very helpful here.

- -- Don
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:37:47 -0500
From: Matthew MacKinnon
Subject: FTE Small - Sway Bar studs

For the second time, I just broke a sway bar stud ( I think that's what its
called anyway, about six inches long and attaches vertically to the end of the
sway bar) on my Explorer (1995 XLT 4x4 86k miles). Several months ago, I broke
the right one, snapped at the top. This was fixed under warranty so I didn't
worry much about it. Today, I broke the left one, pulling into a parking lot of
all things. Is it normal that I would break both of these? or is this a symptom
of some larger problem? Either way, I'm going to replace this one myself,
anything I should know before I start? Anything else I should be replacing at
the same time?

Thanks for you help,
Matt
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:29:03 -0600
From: Matthew Banevich
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Crome Bumpers

Eric Davis wrote:
>
> I don't know where to find them.
>
> Eric Davis
> 98 4x4 Ranger,
> Edlebrock muffler, K&N.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Justice
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE Small - Crome Bumpers
>
Eric, from my knowledge, they do sell paint cans of chrome, but I beieve....

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