small-list-digest Saturday, February 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 039



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FTE Small - Re: One More Try (sound on Ranger)
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Does anyone know how to change a horn relay??
Re: Subject: RE: FTE Small - Does anyone know how to change a horn relay??
Re: FTE Small - PLEASE HELP! No spark/hot coil
Re: FTE Small - One More Try (sound on Ranger)

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:29:25 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: One More Try (sound on Ranger)

"Joe Mitchell" wrote:

a few minutes after my 91 Ranger warmed up, I put it in gear (5-sp.
tranny) and started to accelerate. As i did, a *unique* sound came from
the rear of the truck. It sounds to me like the warning sound that
worn-down brake pads give when its time to change them, but I really
dont think it is the brakes unless one is sticking or the emergency
brake is, because it seems to do it when I am taking off, and not
applying the brake. If it helps, it sounds like steel-rubbing-steel or
something along the lines of that.>

Joe, you're gonna have to pull the wheel(s).If it happens most of the time,
you could have some small part break or come loose that retains the brake
shoe causing it to cock and rub on the drum. I was just under my brother's
Ranger yesterday after we heard a terrible metallic banging/clatter. Sounded
like the truck was falling apart. Turns out the replacement exhaust from 2
years ago had an odd hanger setup and now allows the tailpipe to sometimes
shift and rattle against the spare tire cage.

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:37:06 -0500
From: "Jason"
Subject: Subject: RE: FTE Small - Does anyone know how to change a horn relay??

Here's two stupid questions: Does your cruise control (if you have it)
work, and does your cigarette lighter work? Both of these are on the same
fuse (actually a breaker) as the horn. It's number 15 (I think) in the
diagram.

I do not have cruise control, and the lighter works fine. It's not the
fuse. There's a relay somewhere, that controls the horn, besides the fuse.
I bought a new one. So it must exists. It says Horn Relay.


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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:53:27 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: FTE Small - Does anyone know how to change a horn relay??

Jason wrote:
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> I do not have cruise control, and the lighter works fine. It's not the
> fuse. There's a relay somewhere, that controls the horn, besides the fuse.
> I bought a new one. So it must exists. It says Horn Relay.
>

You dont mention the year/model, but assuming it's relatively new it'll
be under the hood in the 'Power Distribution' box and probably labeled
on the underside of the lid, other popular locations are at/near the
fuse box. Mail me with the details and I can look it up. You might
also want to pull the horn pad off and try grounding the lead from it
just to make sure THAT's not the culprit.

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
85 B-II
79 LTD
93 Capri (Boy Australian parts are high!)
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:49:07 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - PLEASE HELP! No spark/hot coil

Tyler Abbott wrote:
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> My brother is in desperite need of help. But besides that his truck needs
> attention too.
> It's an 83/84 Bronco 11, 2.8 L, 4 speed.

Does it have a vacuum advance or is the ignition module mounted to the
side of the distributor?

> There is no power past the coil. There is 12 volts going into the coil and
> the coil wire is good. He repaced the coil with a genuine FORD.

With your test light is there 12V at the + AND the -? Also during
cranking will the test light blink or stay steady on or steady off?
(Should be blinking on the '-' terminal.) If the test light is
NOT blinking AND staying on during cranking (pretty safe bet since the
coil's been replaced) then there is no signal to fire the coil itself,
likely culprits would be the ignition module or the pick-up coil inside
the distributor. I'd Suggest replacing both if either is bad similar to
replacing points & condensor as a team, but the pickup on the EEC-IV
unit is a bit more involved than on the advance unit type and the
distributor gear has a nasty habit of breaking.. might be easier to
replace with a reman distributor especially if you can find one complete
with the module. If the light stays OFF during cranking the same items
may be involved, but I'd suspect bad wiring somewhere as the 'most'
likely culprit. (*note* were the coil not already swapped I'd be
checking it before the wiring etc if the light was not on during
cranking on the tach terminal.)

Good luck and keep us posted!

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:56:32 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - One More Try (sound on Ranger)

Greg Hopper wrote:
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> does it do it only in moist conditions (i.e. after it has rained)?? did it
> quit making that sound after taking off a few times??
> i think clutches can behave like brakes do sometimes - they can attract a
> little moisture out of the air and they make that screeching sound you


I've seen release bearings do the same too.. only make noise the first
few applications until whatever lubrication is left heats up. I guess I
could extrapolate the same type of thing to a bearing/bushing in the
T-Case or rear end but have never seen/heard same... I agree that
pulling the wheels and drums would be the best first step!

TT/MM
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