small-list-digest Wednesday, January 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 022



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In this issue:

FTE Small - Re: First Snow...Rusty Tailpipe
FTE Small - 93 ford starting problem fixed. solution: read on
Re: FTE Small - 93 ford starting problem fixed. solution: read on
FTE Small - Brush Gaurds on '93 Exp EB?
Re: FTE Small - Re: First Snow...Rusty Tailpipe
FTE Small - Re: looking for info on explorers
FTE Small - Re: looking for info on explorers
FTE Small - Oil Pressure Gauge? and stuff
FTE Small - New Alldata website
Re: FTE Small - Oil Pressure Gauge? and stuff
RE: FTE Small - New Alldata website - Fresh Out Of Registration N umbers
FTE Small - Stock Head Unit
Re: FTE Small - Stock Head Unit
Re: FTE Small - Stock Head Unit
FTE Small - Re:Rusty Tailpipe
FTE Small - re looking for info on exployers
Re: FTE Small - Explorer
Re: FTE Small - re looking for info on exployers
Re: FTE Small - Son Of My Aerostar Stinks!
FTE Small - Towing Capacity

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 06:31:00 -0500
From: "Jim Bielecki"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: First Snow...Rusty Tailpipe

>We just had our first big snow up here in the Boston area a couple of
>weeks ago. I just noticed that the tailpipe on my new '98 Ranger is
>getting pretty rusty. I'm lamenting the fact that the underside of my
>new baby is now gritty and corroding. I'm sure it'll bother me more
>next time I have to work under there!
>I was wondering if many of you in snowy areas wash the salt off of
>your trucks after storms in an effort to keep the rust at bay.

Where I live (northern Michigan), fighting the constant barrage of salt is a
losing battle. I wash my truck when I can, usually once every two weeks or
so. Not that it seems to make a difference, being that my truck is as
covered with slop when I get back from the car wash as it was when I went
in.


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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:24:54 -0500
From: "Bill Pruitt"
Subject: FTE Small - 93 ford starting problem fixed. solution: read on

Well, we found some interesting things, after a fuel pressure test we
decided the the check valve in the fuel pump was shot. Therefore we dropped
the tank and guess what we found when we removed the pump. Lo and behold we
peeled back the rubber bottom and there was nothing but white crystalized
SUGAR. yep, the whole bottom of the fuel tank was covered in it. After
rigging together a vacuum pump, we were able to get most if not all of it
out. will check back again in a month to see if there is more. truck starts
fine now. hehehe go figure. i think i was lucky

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:41:39 -0500
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 93 ford starting problem fixed. solution: read on

At 9:24 PM -0500 1/25/99, Bill Pruitt wrote:
> Lo and behold we peeled back the rubber bottom and there was
> nothing but white crystalized SUGAR. yep, the whole bottom of the
> fuel tank was covered in it.

[snip]

How did SUGAR get into your fuel tank? Sounds to me like you might
want to invest in a gas cap lock.

It's a pain in the butt, but worth it. I used to live next to a
person in the city who had various mental problems and one time we
found him opening the gas cap of our BII. Not good! That evening,
after we had him taken away by the police for his behavior which was
dangerous, we bought locking gas caps for all our vehicles.

You just never know what people will do. I believe the old adage -
that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:47:28 -0500
From: Geoffrey Hoffman
Subject: FTE Small - Brush Gaurds on '93 Exp EB?

I was looking to get a brush guard on my '93 EB, and was wondering which
ones do (or do not) fit cause of the extra "stuff". Preferably, I would
rather not move the fog lights and/or remove/get a new valance. I don't
mind cutting into the valance, though, cause I think I'll have to. My
guess is that some of these use the bolt holes the fog lights are in, so
they may be a problem, so I may have to move them anyway.

As far as models, I was looking at the Westin One Peice. I was also
looking at the Smittybilt Modular Bumper Thumper, or the Manik Grill Gaurd.
(as an aside, any of these significantly better than the others? any i
should def. not get?)

How are these attached? existing holes or drilling new ones?

Thanks for your time
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Geoffrey Hoffman http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pobox.com/~hoffy/
ICQ: 10113556 hoffy ford-trucks.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:43:43 -0500
From: "Anthony Rifici"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: First Snow...Rusty Tailpipe

>>We just had our first big snow up here in the Boston area a couple of
>>weeks ago. I just noticed that the tailpipe on my new '98 Ranger is
>>getting pretty rusty. I'm lamenting the fact that the underside of my
>>new baby is now gritty and corroding. I'm sure it'll bother me more
>>next time I have to work under there!
>>I was wondering if many of you in snowy areas wash the salt off of
>>your trucks after storms in an effort to keep the rust at bay.
>
>
Being from the east side of Cleveland, where we get lake effect snow
(usually good for 4-8" more snow than the rest of Cleveland), I am all too
familiar with what salt does to your truck. I usually don't have the
opportunity to wash off the salt so it just stays there until it gets warm.
I would strongly suggest you have your truck rustproofed and undercoated.
This will help especially if you can get it touched up every year. Also,
after it is undercoated, get some undercoating of your own and go around the
truck and undercoat places that they usually miss or don't get very well.
This usually means the back side of the bumpers. Other places are the rear
of the bed and the lower inside part of the tailgate. This is the place
above the bumper, just below the floor of the bed. It is body colored, but
dirt and water from your tires gets kicked up in there all the time and alot
of trucks rust there, ever see a pile of dirt collect on top of your rear
bumper after driving on a wet, dirt covered road. I undercoated that
section up to the bed floor and the also tailgate up to the tailgate portion
of the bedliner (don't plug the drain holes on the tailgate). I did the
tailgate for the same reason as the bed and also because I knew I would drag
something out of the bed onto the tailgate and scratch that paint. It looks
really good and provides a lot of protection. From behind, with everything
closed up, you probably won't be able to tell that the 1/2" gap between the
bumper and tailgate is now black instead of body color since it was shadowed
in the first place (unless maybe if your truck is a really light color).

Tony
94 Ranger Supercab, 4.0L, 5-Speed

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:02:59 -0800
From: "Pete Lawless"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: looking for info on explorers

Ken wrote:
>we;; ding it appears you have discovered what is wrong with limited slips
off
>road. when 1 tire slips or is off the ground the other will not turn as
all
>of the power is going to the one slipping

Just an FYI..... what you are describing here is actually an open
differential. Limited slips in good condition will always supply power to
both sides, although unequally at times. This is why LSs give you much
better off-road ability over open diffs, yet still maintain good highway
manners.

Later... Pete
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:54:56 -0800
From: "Pete Lawless"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: looking for info on explorers

Ding wrote:
>But doesn't limited slip differential mean that both wheels are supplied
power
>and if one slips the other one still receives some power.....

Yes, a limited slip, in good condition (the clutch packs do ware out), will
always supply power to both wheels (although sometimes unequally) even if
one is slipping or off the ground. If one tire is off the ground it will
simply spin faster than the grounded tire, but will still pull you through.
The centrifugal force allows the packs to slip. The big problem is when
that airborne tire (spinning more rapidly) touches the ground...."pop" goes
an axle or u-joint, or hub, or... (experience talking). Some creative
driving and breaking skills (and keeping your right foot out of it) help
here. Lockers are simply that.... they lock-up the rear end so that power
is supplied equally to both axles (airborne tire would spin at same speed
as grounded tire in this case).
If all four of your tires are grounded and only one side is spinning, you
either don't have a rear limited slip or its worn-out (your front diff is
open unless you've installed an LS). Jack the rear end up, spin one tire,
if the other tire spins same direction you have an LS. If other tire spins
opposite direction, you have an open diff (or really worn-out LS).

Later.... Pete
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:38:41 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE Small - Oil Pressure Gauge? and stuff

I've read (on different lists) that the oil pressure gauge on the new
Expedition and F150 is really only a simulated gauge that operates basically
like an idiot light. The other gauges are fully functional. Does anyone know
if the same is true for my 92 Explorer?

Also just had the Ford garage (should have asked them) check out an
intermittent "check engine" light that has been going on and off for the
last 6 months. Both the throttle position sensor and fuel relay tested bad.

Sportsman Guide (1-800-888-5222) has a closeout on Black Armor brand front
floor mats for all Explorers for $24.97 pr. (in black of course). Part No.
S288-14701. For 91-94 Explorer 2-doors they also have Canvasback rear liners
for $24.97 (tan(180) or camo(190) only). Part No. S288-14573C. These are the
kind that cover the rear floor, wheel wells and the seatback. Even if the
colors don't match, I thought it was too good a deal to pass up.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:46:00 -0500
From: Barry Nestor
Subject: FTE Small - New Alldata website

Those of you who have questions about your vehicles and don't spending time
researching should check out Alldata's new site, http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldatapro.com
The service is free on a trial basis for now
and there is tons of information available! This is not a joke and I have no
affiliation with Alldata, I'm just reading some of these posts thinking this
might help some people.

Happy Researching!

Barry
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:16:03 EST
From: SEASOT AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Oil Pressure Gauge? and stuff

hi

I have a 92 Ranger and they basically have the same setup...i recentally
changed all of my gauges from stock to racing gauges and all of my figures
match up, so i think yours would too.

SEASOT
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:29:27 -0600
From: Chris Rutledge
Subject: RE: FTE Small - New Alldata website - Fresh Out Of Registration N umbers

What a Shame! I logged in and signed up for the Beta Test but it said that
they were fresh out of Registration Numbers. Did anyone else get one?

Chris

BTW - the site looked great but it doesn't cover any of my older vehicles.
i.e. 1980 and older


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Subject: FTE Small - New Alldata website


Those of you who have questions about your vehicles and don't spending time
researching should check out Alldata's new site, http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldatapro.com
The service is free on a trial basis for now
and there is tons of information available! This is not a joke and I have no
affiliation with Alldata, I'm just reading some of these posts thinking this
might help some people.

Happy Researching!

Barry
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:58:59 -0500
From: "Eric Davis"
Subject: FTE Small - Stock Head Unit

Anyone out there that needs a head unit. I'm selling mine that came out of
my truck. It is the tape deck and radio unit (no CD), but it work well for
factory. I will take any offers for it.

Eric Davis
98 4x4 Ranger,
Edlebrock muffler, K&N.


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:04:42 EST
From: SEASOT AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Stock Head Unit

if you can give me a little better description of the radio i might make an
offer

SEASOT
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:30:20 -0500
From: "Eric Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Stock Head Unit

Its stock out of my 98 Ranger. Also I have the stock speakers for it to. In
the Ranger brochure it says AM/FM stereo/cassette/digital clock. As for
power of the unit I don't know.

Eric Davis
98 4x4 Ranger,
Edlebrock muffler, K&N.
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Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Stock Head Unit


>if you can give me a little better description of the radio i might make an
>offer
>
>SEASOT
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:02:37 PST
From: "Joe Mitchell"
Subject: FTE Small - Re:Rusty Tailpipe

>From: "Daniel O'Shea"

>I was wondering if many of you in snowy areas wash the salt off of
>your trucks after storms in an effort to keep the rust at bay.
>
>Dan

Ok, this is completely unrelated, but I noticed some rust on my tail
pipe a few weeks ago. I decided to replace it, so I went ahead and
bought a chrome exhaust tip. While I was at it, I also went for a
glass-pack muffler w/ new alumnized exhaust tubing. It was fairly cheap
for the whole system ($90 with tip & installation) and it increases
performance a little. If you dont like the sound, you can get a
performance muffler w/ out the packs and it has the same effect. I'd
really recomend this to anyone, especially since I like the pipe exiting
out of the back for some reason... Just my $.02
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Joe
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I'd push a Ford before I drove a Chevy, but I don't need to.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:35:07 EST
From: KLESNANSKY AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Small - re looking for info on exployers


But doesn't limited slip differential mean that both wheels are supplied
power
and if one slips the other one still recieves some power.....I know if i
brake
hold my mustang with limited slip i leave two patches of rubber unlike my 84
z28 with no ls which would only leave one patch of rubber usually the right
tire....ding >>

Speaking from experiance of the play ground of off road, several times I have
had one tire in the air and the only thing that kept me going was the axle
without the airbound wheel. As far as leaving the 2 strips of tires versus
the one it is easy to tell which one had a limited, nut as you noted you
needed to have you foot on the brake to get that reswhat would have happened
if you would have left your foot off of the brake? would you have left a
single line then?
Ken
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:00:34 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Explorer

Bakend AOL.COM wrote:
>
> It's got all the whistles and
> bells that you can get, I think. The question I have is what to watch out for
> as far as trouble spots, and should I take out the extended warranty? I have
> about 500 miles to decide on the warranty.

If it covers the 'whistles & bells' Yes.

> My nature as a shade tree mechanic
> is to go without it.

I agree too as a professional, but the power accessories are just too
problematic (on ALL vehicles) and a pain in the butt to work on with
more expense than you'ld expect (It's all riveted in rather than
bolted), if the deductible is under $200/year get it.

Keep it maintained properly and dont the let the wife overheat it! (No
slight meant to her personally; just seen too many examples..) Oil and
cooling services are critical, keep them up and you should get 250,000+
out of the engine unless you do HD/heavy off-road work.


My 2 Lincoln coins worth..

TT
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:55:21 EST
From: Ding060297 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - re looking for info on exployers

No if i didn't braked hold it i would of still left two strips just not
as long ....ding duh
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:59:03 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Son Of My Aerostar Stinks!

Richard wrote:
>
> "Mike McNany" wrote & quoted---------------------
>
> Ed Minner states" I live in Australia and I have no idea what an
> Aerostar
> is,
> Well Ed, I don't think anyone would bother being on the list if they
> didn't
> feel the same way.
>
> Me ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm the guy with the stinking Aerostar. Unfortunately, due to my
> experience with my Aerostar, I'm on the list and I can find no
> excellence whatsoever in the design of my Aerostar.

Me either.. I did NOT lament it's passing last year.

> However, I do mean a double entendre: when mechanical work is to
> be done on my vehicle, I assure you that I feel that the design truly
> sucks.

YES it does.. even a simple belt change is needlessly hard due to the
head of one bolt facing the rear.

> Further, I found that a previous mechanic had cross-threaded one of the
> two housing screws, and ripped it out of the plastic.

It wasnt me!! Unfortunately all the OEMs seem to be going to that type
of air filter.

> Mike -------------------------------------------------------------
> I had an 88 and traded it on a 92
> explorer. Very roomy 8 passenger unit, rear wheel drive. Both rear seats
> removed so it had great versatility. Loved it, not one problem, wouldn't
> have traded it, even for the explorer but suddenly became single again.
> Great tow vehicle for up to 6,000 lbs.

You were very lucky.. You must be one of the few that actually
maintains a vehicle properly.

>
> Me ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Pretty much true. People seem to like it for a tow car.

Get a Bronco.. for real towing you need a V-8 or a good I-6. Although
now it'd be an 'Expedition'..

> The price for all that space
> is that the engine and associated components are all stuffed into an
> inadequate space.

Not inadequate but INSANE!

> The enormous windshield comes at the expense of a
> teentsy-tiny hood, which covers layers of obstructions. It takes a
> professional mechanic two hours to replace the spark plugs,

Half-hour if it's not hot. (I know the tricks and tools needed; 4 5 6
use a double swivel socket and a 36" extension, 1 2 through the
wheel-well after lifting the body, #3 with a short socket and a wrench
on the back.) No fun, but better than two hours.

> and in order
> to do almost any repair, much has to come apart in an agony of
> convolution on the part of the mechanic.

Said that right.. had to do an intake gasket on one and my already bad
back was frightful for a few days. I'm skinny and flexible, but people
are still amazed at my ability to fold/shove my arms as necessary to
reach things if they watch. (High tolerance for pain helps!)

>
> There is a liberal use of overstressed plastic assemblies and some
> electrical parts are flimsy, failing early,

Especialy in the engine performance department.. TPS's and EGR problems
are a given.

> A few people have great luck with their Aerostars.

Or FIAT's! ;-)


> Once repairs become
> more frequent, as they do with any vehicle, the maintenance costs are
> documented to be extremely high.

Due to the previously mentioned 'cramped quarters' I have to work in. A
weenie hood and a 6x24(?) panel in the rear for access? Sheesh.. at
least the Astro has a small dog-house over the rear for serviceability.
(I'm not touting the Astro over the A'star; I wouldnt have either one of
'em!)

> Consumer's Union has
> placed Aerostars in their lowest "do not buy" category.

I'd lump ALL the minis into that.. Buy a full size if you REALLY need
the room otherwise get a good wagon. Unfortunately that's becoming
impossible since mini-vans and SUV's are popular and RWD isnt. Chrysler
had a good idea with the mini, but to my observation there hasnt been
one made yet that was really *right*

>
> I feel that Ford has created a product that places unconscionable
> maintenance difficulties and expense burdens on their customers. I have
> a "love-hate" relationship with my Aerostar, which is mostly "hate."

The Astro & Caravan have just as many problems; Chrysler did it first
and everybody else had a 'me-too' response shortly. Try changing the
fuel filter in a '88 Toyota mini-van.. *IF* you can get the line loose
without breaking it (7 days minimum while it comes from Japan) you still
face the odd position of the bolts holding the filter.) All this while
working UNDER the seat that pivots up with part of the floor for ANY
service on the engine including oil changes/top offs.

> For my vehicle, which I feel is in essentially good condition,
> maintenance costs over a nine month period were over $3,000. And I've
> lots more to do as things seem to fail faster than I can get them
> fixed. I stress that I believe that my experience is typical, and
> perhaps even better than many have been through.

Dump it. Get out from under it. I know there's good ones out there
and I dont want to hear from those (lucky!) owners. Figure out what you
need and get something related to that.

>
> I still have a black cloud over my head from that air filter housing
> yesterday.
>
> Richard

Frank and candid.. hate to rip on a Ford product but.........


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