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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
Re: FTE Small - My Aerostar Stinks!
Re: FTE Small - My Aerostar Stinks!
Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
FTE Small - FTE - Aerostar wheel and tire upgrade
Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
FTE Small - Starting problems on a 93 Ranger
FTE Small - Re: BII engine rebuild
FTE Small - Ranger fuel pump capacity
FTE Small - Re: BII engine rebuild
FTE Small - Re: Small radiator
Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears
Re: FTE Small - FTE - Aerostar wheel and tire upgrade
Re: FTE Small - Starting problems on a 93 Ranger
Re: FTE Small - Re: BII engine rebuild
Re: FTE Small - Ranger fuel pump capacity
Re: FTE Small - Power

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:01:26 -0500
From: Scotty Dixon MDX
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

Richard,
No disrespect meant but there are more people with high power stereos than with out.
(Survey done by Rockford Fosgate) which means it is not UNANIMOUS by any means.
And so what if we like the loud music when you were younger I am sure you did things others
did not like.

Someone said something about blowing horns at the red light but with my stereo You would not hear your on horn. and the way mine is setup the 4 12's are in the bed and the 10 in is the cab with a switch on my crossover the only speakers playing would be the ones in the bed so it really would not be that loud to me.

All I am sayings is don't down everyone for the bad run ins you have had.

Thanks
Scotty
97 Supercab

>>> 01/21 8:38 PM >>>
hey richard..it was not unanmous
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:52:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ciocco
Subject: Re: FTE Small - My Aerostar Stinks!

.. Some of the things I've seen done by others over the last 14
..years certainly brings my blood to a slow boil

I worked with a guy once that tolne he worked at a station of the
Interstate where they would put holes in hoses and slice fan belts to
get work. I believe it too. His work habits weren't much better at
the place we worked either. He constantly sold things that people did
not need.

I got out of the business in the late 80's, but working with people
like him have made me sure to do as much of my own work as I can.

Bill



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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:21:42 +1100
From: "Ed Minner"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - My Aerostar Stinks!

Hi Bill.
My name is Ed Minner
I live in Australia and I have no idea what an Aerostar is, perhaps you can
enlighten me.
I have a 1997 Ford Explorer and it does not stink, as a matter of fact I
love it.
I think Fords are the best cars, trucks, whatever on the road.

Regards Ed


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From: Bill Ciocco
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, 23 January 1999 1:00
Subject: Re: FTE Small - My Aerostar Stinks!


>.. Some of the things I've seen done by others over the last 14
>..years certainly brings my blood to a slow boil
>
>I worked with a guy once that tolne he worked at a station of the
>Interstate where they would put holes in hoses and slice fan belts to
>get work. I believe it too. His work habits weren't much better at
>the place we worked either. He constantly sold things that people did
>not need.
>
>I got out of the business in the late 80's, but working with people
>like him have made me sure to do as much of my own work as I can.
>
>Bill
>
>
>
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>DO YOU YAHOO!?
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:16:54 -0500 (EST)
From: EI - Michael Ioco
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

This post is getting out of control, and so is Scotty's system. Four 12's
OUTSIDE the cab to intentionally annoy everybody else? I'm young and I enjoy a
good hard hitting system. But when I'm at a light and my hair follicles are
vibrating because of the punk two lanes over, I get the urge to slap some sense
into him. Why? Just to let everybody know you are there? Like it's been said,
there is a time and a place for everything. At a truck show or a stereo blowout
competition, by all means CRANK IT UP. When you're next to me on I-696 in
bumper to bumper traffic, TURN THAT CRAP DOWN!

My $.02 from Michigan

99 Explorer Sport 4x4
98 Ranger 4x4 SC ORP
97 F-150 4x4 SC ORP

> Someone said something about blowing horns at the red light but with my stereo
You would not hear your on horn. and the way mine is setup the 4 12's are in the
bed and the 10 in is the cab with a switch on my crossover the only speakers
playing would be the ones in the bed so it really would not be that loud to me.
>
> All I am sayings is don't down everyone for the bad run ins you have had.
>
> Thanks
> Scotty
> 97 Supercab
>
> >>> 01/21 8:38 PM >>>
> hey richard..it was not unanmous
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:43:05 -0500 (EST)
From: EI - Michael Ioco
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

I disagree with that survey. But I guess alot could depend on where the survey
was taken. I'm sure in Southern California, there are alot more high power
stereos than there are in Idaho. Surveys aren't very reliable because we never
see all the data. The survey you saw could have been taken through a hot rod or
performance magazine, where everybody is into customizing and beefing up their
vehicles. It could have only involved young males under 25. Does it clearly
state this info? Bottom line, you can't trust surveys.

> No disrespect meant but there are more people with high power stereos than
with out.
> (Survey done by Rockford Fosgate) which means it is not UNANIMOUS by any
means.
> And so what if we like the loud music when you were younger I am sure you did
things others
> did not like.
>
> Someone said something about blowing horns at the red light but with my stereo
You would not hear your on horn. and the way mine is setup the 4 12's are in the
bed and the 10 in is the cab with a switch on my crossover the only speakers
playing would be the ones in the bed so it really would not be that loud to me.
>
> All I am sayings is don't down everyone for the bad run ins you have had.
>
> Thanks
> Scotty
> 97 Supercab
>

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:58:36 -0500
From: Scotty Dixon MDX
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

Look here pay attention I have already stated that it is only for competition,
the fact is besides at the shows my amps don't even get warm because I do not turn them on
Unless there is a "punk two lanes over" then I'll cut mine on and after a couple of seconds
they turn there's down and I cut mine back off its just competition, Beside I don't need to let everyone know I am there when I pull up to the light they look even if I have my stereo off so that Crissy(old lady)
can watch her TV , Not only that she don't like it on anyway she thinks it is a waste of money until we are at the shows then she loves the attention it brings.
Scotty
97 Supercab

>>> EI - Michael Ioco 01/22 8:16 AM >>>
This post is getting out of control, and so is Scotty's system. Four 12's
OUTSIDE the cab to intentionally annoy everybody else? I'm young and I enjoy a
good hard hitting system. But when I'm at a light and my hair follicles are
vibrating because of the punk two lanes over, I get the urge to slap some sense
into him. Why? Just to let everybody know you are there? Like it's been said,
there is a time and a place for everything. At a truck show or a stereo blowout
competition, by all means CRANK IT UP. When you're next to me on I-696 in
bumper to bumper traffic, TURN THAT CRAP DOWN!

My $.02 from Michigan

99 Explorer Sport 4x4
98 Ranger 4x4 SC ORP
97 F-150 4x4 SC ORP

> Someone said something about blowing horns at the red light but with my stereo
You would not hear your on horn. and the way mine is setup the 4 12's are in the
bed and the 10 in is the cab with a switch on my crossover the only speakers
playing would be the ones in the bed so it really would not be that loud to me.
>
> All I am sayings is don't down everyone for the bad run ins you have had.
>
> Thanks
> Scotty
> 97 Supercab
>
> >>> 01/21 8:38 PM >>>
> hey richard..it was not unanmous
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:11:42 -0500
From: Scotty Dixon MDX
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

I agree with that.
I was just stating a fact (as was stated)
but it said US no one state.
No age was given

>>> EI - Michael Ioco 01/22 8:43 AM >>>
I disagree with that survey. But I guess alot could depend on where the survey
was taken. I'm sure in Southern California, there are alot more high power
stereos than there are in Idaho. Surveys aren't very reliable because we never
see all the data. The survey you saw could have been taken through a hot rod or
performance magazine, where everybody is into customizing and beefing up their
vehicles. It could have only involved young males under 25. Does it clearly
state this info? Bottom line, you can't trust surveys.

> No disrespect meant but there are more people with high power stereos than
with out.
> (Survey done by Rockford Fosgate) which means it is not UNANIMOUS by any
means.
> And so what if we like the loud music when you were younger I am sure you did
things others
> did not like.
>
> Someone said something about blowing horns at the red light but with my stereo
You would not hear your on horn. and the way mine is setup the 4 12's are in the
bed and the 10 in is the cab with a switch on my crossover the only speakers
playing would be the ones in the bed so it really would not be that loud to me.
>
> All I am sayings is don't down everyone for the bad run ins you have had.
>
> Thanks
> Scotty
> 97 Supercab
>

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:40:01 -0800
From: Richard
Subject: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

Burnett wrote ----------------------------------

hey richard..it was not unanmous

Me ----------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for the reminder. I stand corrected. One of the responses did
not express consideration for people who want to be free of car stereo
noise pollution.

However, I will point out that if someone goes by my house and annoys me
with their mobile antisocial machine, I may get their license number.
And they may find a cop ringing their bell, ticket book in hand.

Richard


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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:52:19 -0600
From: Wayne Haley
Subject: FTE Small - FTE - Aerostar wheel and tire upgrade

Hello, I am a brand new subscriber with a 1993 Aerostar Sport. It was the
family hauler until my lovely wife claimed dibs on the next new car, so now
it is mine. I kept it and traded my Acura if that gains me any browny
points! Okay, it was paid for, the Acura was still a long way off. Anyway,
I am currently running the stock wheels with Firestone Firehawk 215-70R14s.
It is time for new tires and I am interested in going to a 15 or 16 inch
wheel and a lower profile tire to see if I can get a little improvement on
handling, plus it might look pretty good! The front wheel well seems pretty
tight however, there isn't much clearance between the back of the tire and
the suspension. Has anyone else tried this or have any ideas?
Recommendations on tires or wheels would also be greatfully accepted.

Also, if anyone has added a rear anti-sway bar to an Aerostar, I would be
interested in their thoughts and recommendations. Thanks and happy
motoring!
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:16:11 -0500
From: Scotty Dixon MDX
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

Not sure about where you are but here the cop has to be outside 100ft. to give a ticket
and the can't go on a call and they have you turn it on to see if they have the right car or not (thats my idea for the switches) I have got out of two tickets at the red light that way once at 2:30 pm and at 3:45 PM

>>> Richard 01/22 1:40 PM >>>
Burnett wrote ----------------------------------

hey richard..it was not unanmous

Me ----------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for the reminder. I stand corrected. One of the responses did
not express consideration for people who want to be free of car stereo
noise pollution.

However, I will point out that if someone goes by my house and annoys me
with their mobile antisocial machine, I may get their license number.
And they may find a cop ringing their bell, ticket book in hand.

Richard


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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:01:46 -0500
From: "Bill Pruitt"
Subject: FTE Small - Starting problems on a 93 Ranger

Hi all, I hope someone can help.
I have a 93 ranger with the 4 liter v6. Recently I have had
some problems starting it, even if Its warmed up. I can crank it over as
long as I want, and it wont start, then if I pause, then try again, it
reluctantly fires up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I already put
brand new plugs and a new fuel filter in the thing. Thanks

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:42:43 -0800
From: "Pete Lawless"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: BII engine rebuild

Burnett wrote:
>Even with the tougher emissions laws today, aren't there still some things

>you can do to enhance performance?

I rebuilt my 2.9ltr about a year and a half ago. I searched long and hard
for 2.9ltr performance upgrades prior to finding all these handy email/bb
forums were we can share such good info. Here's a list of what I've done
with mine. I live in California so it has to pass some of the toughest
emissions laws, which the truck always done with "flying colors" pre-mods
and also did after all mods listed. It generates much more power and
low-end torque than when stock (and sounds pretty good too :).

ENGINE MODS:
2.9 Ltr Engine (about 18k on rebuild w/new heads)
Engle Racing RV2 Cam
K&N Filter
JET Performance Module
JBA Cat4Ward Headers
Dual In-Line Hi-Flow Catalytic Converters
Single 2.25" CAT Back w/ Flowmaster Muffler

Later.... Pete
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 99 17:09:44 PST
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: FTE Small - Ranger fuel pump capacity

Does anyone know what the capacity (liters per hour) might be for the
frame-mounted fuel pump in an '88 Ranger with a 2.9L ? I'm wondering
if it's enough for a 302.

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:00:22 -0800
From: "Pete Lawless"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: BII engine rebuild

Tim Turner wrote:
>fully functional 2.9 FI unit that would be *CLEANER* I
>couldnt pass inspection since that engine wasnt offered in mine.

Wow thats tight. I know out here in California (where we're a bit too heavy
on the "green" thing) you can't swap in an engine that is older than the
vehicle, but you can swap in an engine that is newer than the vehicle. So,
say, swaping in a 2.9ltr EFI for a carbed 2.8ltr would not be a problem
with Johnny Law.

Later... Pete
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:22:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Sean MacLennan
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Small radiator

I finally finished shoveling the driveway, the roof, the garage,
etc. etc. etc. and crawled under the truck to find out where the lines
from the small rad went. Sure enough, they went straight to the power
steering.

Under what conditions does the power steering fluid overheat? And is
this a stock feature or only with the optional payload package?

Just trying to learn more about my Ranger,
Sean
- --
Sean MacLennanJust crank that volume to the point of pain.
Ottawa, CanadaWhy waste good music on a brain?
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:07:29 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Your stereo and my ears

About the 'survey': What was considered High-Power? If it was the old
definition of 4W then yes maybe over 50% do, but I doubt there's a
majority pushing over 200W. I'm using an aftermarket unit that's 24W
and marketed as 'hi-power'... I'd be interested to have the survey
tabulated by Wattage and see what percentage was over say, 300W

Scotty Dixon MDX wrote:
>
> Not sure about where you are but here the cop has to be outside 100ft. to give a ticket

What? that's ridiculous.. Someone can annoy me from 5 Ft., but it has
to annoy the cop at 100?

> I have got out of two tickets at the red light that way once at 2:30 pm and at 3:45 PM

I thought an earlier post said you dont turn it up unless it was a show
or competition.. Hmm.. if that was in low and the cop didnt like it then
I sure dont want to know what it's capable of in high! :-)

>
> >>> Richard 01/22 1:40 PM >>>
> Burnett wrote ----------------------------------
>
> hey richard..it was not unanmous
>
> Me ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thanks for the reminder. I stand corrected. One of the responses did
> not express consideration for people who want to be free of car stereo
> noise pollution.

I'll settle for just not overpowering *MY* musical selection.. I got
the oddest look this morning from a 'thumper' as I backed up some 4 car
lengths to reduce HIS volume in my car. I dont think he understood why
either.. I guess hearing loss has kicked in for him and he didnt know
it was that loud.

>
> However, I will point out that if someone goes by my house and annoys me
> with their mobile antisocial machine, I may get their license number.
> And they may find a cop ringing their bell, ticket book in hand.

Prediction:
There will be a case attracting national attention wherein a thumper
will be attacked/shot after a confrontation at a light within the next
two years. (Or possibly a trend of it happening..) It wont be me; I'm
too mild-mannered for that, but the thought crosses my mind all too
often.


Another note; if one doesnt care about annoying others, that's one
thing, but the inability to hear horns or more importantly SIRENS has
the potential to be life-threatening to an individual requiring
assistance. Monday I saw a cop tied up in traffic waiting for the light
to change for 2 minutes, (NOT because of a thumper, just poor luck in
that he didnt have any way around the stopped traffic that didnt
correctly yield); what was he responding to? An Isuzu Amigo on it's
roof with a 6 month old baby girl inside. (She's fine) It seems lately
that safe driving habits are ignored.. radios that obscure important
outside noises and seating positions that offer a better view of the
sunroof than the all-important ROAD are becoming increasingly
prevalent. (Want to alienate your mechanic quickly? Leave your radio
turned up and the seat in a position where he cant see to guide
him/herself onto the lift without getting a back-ache.)

I'm not trying to rip on YOU personally as it seems you try to have some
consideration for others; but there's too many that dont. As with
anything else enjoyable to someone, if you (the group) dont police your
own actions as they affect others then the law-makers/real
police/vigilantes will.

>
> Richard
>


Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC

CALM IT; Citizens Against Loud Music In Traffic. :-)
(Anybody want to fund a web-site about same? I'll do the HTML..)

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:34:57 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - FTE - Aerostar wheel and tire upgrade

Wayne Haley wrote:
>
> Hello, I am a brand new subscriber with a 1993 Aerostar Sport.

Welcome :-)

> I am currently running the stock wheels with Firestone Firehawk 215-70R14s.
> It is time for new tires and I am interested in going to a 15 or 16 inch
> wheel and a lower profile tire to see if I can get a little improvement on
> handling, plus it might look pretty good!

I'd suggest consulting a good tire dealer that has a 'tire guide' and
staying with the 14's and just dropping the aspect ratio; maybe a
225-60-14 or 245-50-14. Look for an overall tire height or rev's per
mile that is very close to the original 215's and you'll have the
advantages of better handling without the extra expense of new rims and
recalibrating the speedometer. I swapped 205-60-13's into my old GLC
from 175-70's with no noticeable difference in the speedo and MUCH
difference during auto-crossing. Of course if you want you can still
swap into 15/16's just keep looking for a tire with the same approx.
RPM. (Use the % difference to calculate your speedometer
difference; ie a 10% diff. would mean 5MPH correction at 50 and 10MPH at
100.)

If you cant find a dealer willing to answer your questions give me
e-mail or a call (910-791-4440) and I'll do some research to find
suitable replacement skins for you. :-)

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:41:35 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Starting problems on a 93 Ranger

Bill Pruitt wrote:
>
> Hi all, I hope someone can help.
> I have a 93 ranger with the 4 liter v6. Recently I have had
> some problems starting it, even if Its warmed up. I can crank it over as
> long as I want, and it wont start, then if I pause, then try again, it
> reluctantly fires up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I already put
> brand new plugs and a new fuel filter in the thing. Thanks

Try turning the key to ON then off, then ON etc. a few times before
starting; if this helps it means you're losing fuel pressure when the
truck sits denoting a bad FP regulator/pump/leak. (At key-on the pump
will run for 1-2 seconds; the cycling of the key will bring the pressure
up.) If this doesnt help keep posting and we'll go from there. :-)

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:47:46 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: BII engine rebuild

Pete Lawless wrote:
>
> Tim Turner wrote:
> >fully functional 2.9 FI unit that would be *CLEANER* I
> >couldnt pass inspection since that engine wasnt offered in mine.
>
> Wow thats tight. I know out here in California (where we're a bit too heavy
> on the "green" thing) you can't swap in an engine that is older than the
> vehicle, but you can swap in an engine that is newer than the vehicle. So,
> say, swaping in a 2.9ltr EFI for a carbed 2.8ltr would not be a problem
> with Johnny Law.

Weird.. A sea-breeze here sweeps all my county's nastiness inland, but
I cant even do what's legal in CA. Oh well.. given NC's showing in
education tests I guess I shouldnt expect it to make sense.

TT
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:52:39 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger fuel pump capacity

Donald Paauw wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what the capacity (liters per hour) might be for the
> frame-mounted fuel pump in an '88 Ranger with a 2.9L ? I'm wondering
> if it's enough for a 302.
>

I dont claim to KNOW.. but most FI pumps will pump a Litre pretty
quickly when working properly. A properly running Ford may have 30PSI
fuel pressure at idle and pinching off the return will yield 60+ so I
suspect it'd be OK unless you plan on running a supercharger! :-)

TT
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:42:34 -0700
From: "Ken St.John"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Power

I have a question about headers...I was thinking about getting a pair but
when I asked about emissions testing, they stated that they were illegal and
therefore, wouldn't pass my '91 Explorer(?).
So, after hearing this, I consulted with other inspection stations -- same
answer! Is this a Utah law or what?
I already have the Borland cat-back system but really wanted them headers
- --- Any insight on this?

Ken
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