small-list-digest Thursday, June 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 136



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In this issue:

FTE Small - Re: Explorer Drums
FTE Small - Re: AAA
FTE Small - Battery Disconnection
Re: FTE Small - Re: AAA
FTE Small - Axle info
RE: FTE Small - Axle info
FTE Small - bronco II fender flares
Re: FTE Small - aluminum radiators
Re: FTE Small - bronco II fender flares
FTE Small - RE:Ignition (gearing questions)
Re: FTE Small - Re: Explorer Drums
Re: FTE Small - Axle info
Re: FTE Small - (88 BII) battery, starter, ticking & 4x4
Re: FTE Small - aluminum radiators

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:57:50 -0400
From: "Anthony Rifici"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Explorer Drums

>I'm a young mechanic and don't know much


In my opinion getting over the fear of screwing something up by doing
the job yourself is the hardest part of any auto repair. After that, its
finding the time to do it.

>PS. Is OSU Ohio State or Oklahoma State??


It's Ohio State.

Later,
Tony
94 Ranger Supercab, 4.0L, 5-Speed

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:56:37 EDT
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - Re: AAA

In a message dated 6/2/99 1:29:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
owner-small-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: AAA

AFizzer wrote:
>
> How often do you guys get towed? Sixty-five bucks
> wouldn't even buy two years membership in AAA. If
> you're getting some other service besides towing then
> I can see a reason for getting it. But I've never been
> a big fan of towing insurance. I've had one tow in 17
> years of driving. Cost me $105.

I'm with you..... I drive vehicles that sure as H*LL better not leave
me stranded. I have been towed exactly once in my life. I keep the
vehicles maintained and know how to change the tires on them, carry
jumper cables for my use & to help others in trouble, watch the gas
gauge and buy my maps at the grocery store... can't see a good reason to
pay for AAA. >>
===

That's all well and good for you, but there are a LOT of others out there who
do have reasons for using AAA.
My wife is paranoid about vehicles. AAA will change her flat tire, give her a
jump when the battery goes bad or simply goes dead because she forgets to
turn the lights off. Whatever she needs, AA will provide. I can't be there
all the time.
Also, the maps and other services come in real handy, since our vacations are
not done by plane, but by car. Wherever we are (within reason), AAA is only a
phone call away.

Bill Funk
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:26:09 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Small - Battery Disconnection

"First of all..... start your truck, disconnect the battery, if it still
> runs, your alternator might be good.. if it shuts down, you've go a bad one. What does your charge gauge read?"

A lot more professional way to check the alternator is with a
voltmeter.The voltage of the battery will increase when the engine
is running if the alternator is funtioning.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:09:04 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: AAA

At 10:46 AM -0700 6/1/99, AFizzer wrote:
>How often do you guys get towed? Sixty-five bucks
>wouldn't even buy two years membership in AAA. If
>you're getting some other service besides towing then
>I can see a reason for getting it. But I've never been
>a big fan of towing insurance. I've had one tow in 17
>years of driving. Cost me $105. Hardly worth insuring
>against. Here in Mass. insurance companies offer
>towing insurance: $4 per year buys $25 worth of
>towing; $8 buys $50. Ridiculous. You'd have to be
>towed several times a year for it to be worth it.

AAA offers more than towing with their memberships. They have the
"Show Your Card and Save" program which offers discounts to various
retailers. They offer Triptiks free to members. They have member
pricing here in PA for various title and license services. Nonmembers
pay for these services (or don't get them).

With an '86 BII and not enough experience with preventative
maintenance, this fee is well justified. I'd rather spend the money
and have the peace of mind that when our 13 year old vehicle (which
is slowly, but surely wearing out) has that inevitable breakdown,
that I have a backup plan already in effect. I do not like to
constantly carry large amounts of cash to handle that once-in-a-while
tow. I have had to have a vehicle towed an average of once every 16
months over the last several years. And these are vehicles which have
current PA inspection stickers!

In your case, things work out well for your checkbook to not be a
member of AAA. In my case, it does. As with most things in life, YMMV!

- -Dave
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1986 Ford Bronco II Gray Manual 2.9 V6 123K Pittsburgh PA

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:15:36 -0400
From: "David A. Cooley"
Subject: FTE Small - Axle info

Hi All,
Looking for info on the axles in my 97 Explorer... I bought it used, so do
not know exactly what is in it.
Tag on the rear axle is:

3613C R
3L73 88 6L18

Thanks,
Dave

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:47:23 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Axle info

8.8 with 3.73 gears ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:David A. Cooley [SMTP:n5xmt bellsouth.net]
> Sent:Wednesday, June 02, 1999 3:16 PM
> To:small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE Small - Axle info
>
> Hi All,
> Looking for info on the axles in my 97 Explorer... I bought it used,
> so do
> not know exactly what is in it.
> Tag on the rear axle is:
>
> 3613C R
> 3L73 88 6L18
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
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> Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they
> didn't?!
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:52:39 EDT
From: KENEHEYE aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - bronco II fender flares

I'm looking for fender flares for an 87 bronco II, like bushwacker
streetflares, they don't make them for that truck. I am looking for looks and
cover-up, not wide width, thanks.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:03:38 -0500
From: Buck Shoff
Subject: Re: FTE Small - aluminum radiators

As for stock type Ford, GM, and Chrysler aluminum radiators, they have
virtually no internal corrosion compared to copper/brass and never need
to be rodded out. The only thing that I have ever found in aluminum
tubes are 'strings' of silicon from water pump and thermostat repairs
and stop leak. I do not know about specialty and race radiators, but I
expect that they are the same. I do not know about external corrosion
from road salt, salt air, battery acid, etc. I hope that helps. Buck
Shoff

Donald Paauw wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how aluminum radiators compare corrosion-wise
> to the brass/copper ones?
>
> -- Don
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:39:16 -0400
From: "Carl Schmidt"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - bronco II fender flares

you can get frnders from James Duff, the web page is www.jamesduff.com
they have about anything you can get for this model vehicle, I have been
thinking about some things from here for my 87 BII Eddie Bauer. hope it
helps
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Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 6:52 PM
Subject: FTE Small - bronco II fender flares


> I'm looking for fender flares for an 87 bronco II, like bushwacker
> streetflares, they don't make them for that truck. I am looking for looks
and
> cover-up, not wide width, thanks.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:14:01 PDT
From: Joe Mitchell
Subject: FTE Small - RE:Ignition (gearing questions)

>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:54:31 -0700
>From: Ray Scheidnes
>Subject: RE: FTE Small - Re: ignition

>the truck is 4x4). I went from the factory 3.73 to 4.56. That was the
>best
>thing I could do for seat of the pants performance upgrades, according to
>most shops that I spoke with. They were right, I could feel that

I have a few questions about the gearing change. First, what did it do to
your top speed (can you still get high speeds with it?). Second, where did
you get it done at (what type of shops do this?). And last, how much did it
cost? Just wondering since I was thinking of doing this myself....Thanx in
advance..
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Joe


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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:15:12 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: Explorer Drums

To the young mechanic....Start by finding another ride...Then jack up
your truck remove the rear wheels and inspect everything. If in fact you
find they are bad then take the drums off and bring em down to the auto parts
store and have them resurfaced and purchase a new set of shoes and the whole
spring kit...Go back to the truck remove the shoes and all the hardware and
carefully place them all on the ground in the same way and order you took
them off...ONLY DO ONE SIDE AT A TIME that way if you screw up or forget
something you can always go to the other side and figure it out..Clean
everything good with brake cleaner....and you should be good to go make sure
you check your fluid level and while your under there jack up the front of
the truck and check the fron pads...If the light still stays on take it to
the local garage and ask them to check it out......ding
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:17:57 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Axle info

check on the drivers side bottom door area for a sticker and on the sticker
you'll see axle and there will be a code like D4 look it up in your manual or
chilton or email me directly and i'll look it up for ya...........ding
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:18:32 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - (88 BII) battery, starter, ticking & 4x4

Donald Paauw wrote:
>
> >
> > First of all..... start your truck, disconnect the battery, if it still
> > runs, your alternator might be good.. if it shuts down, you've go a bad
> > one. What does your charge gauge read?
> >
> I'm not sure about this, but I've heard that the battery is necessary for
> voltage regulation and that if it's disconnected while running, the voltage
> can get too high.
>
> Does anyone know for sure?

Yes.


I Ignored it (the original post) yesterday due to many things going on
here (home) and the thread/bandwidth it might open up. The short
version is DO NOT DO IT on vehicles equipped with electronics! Anyone
with a fast responding DVOM or a 'scope I invite you to try it and see
what the voltage spike measures. It's a good test for anything that's
all mechanical, but please dont do it on Fords built after '82 or so.
The longer you leave the terminal off the higher the voltage can go...
I've seen 18V+ as an average and unknown peak.. this can fry electronics
just as quickly as hooking up your jumper cables backwards. (Possible
$1000 damage!)

Hope this saves someone and feel guilty I didn't respond last night...

Tim
>
> -- Don
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:31:10 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - aluminum radiators

Donald Paauw wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how aluminum radiators compare corrosion-wise
> to the brass/copper ones?
>

Internal or external? The only real problems I see with the PTR
radiators is in the seams or tanks. I presume the lack of Copper
lessens the reaction that causes internal crud. (given proper care.)
Most shops will replace the whole radiator for any leak, but a radiator
shop that is up to date can repair aluminum or plastic faults. (In many
....


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