small-list-digest Tuesday, May 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 120



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - solid axle conversion
FTE Small - Any Boston Ford service recommendations?
Re: FTE Small - Anyone else running v8's in their Rangers?
Re: FTE Small - Can't find Spout
FTE Small - '97 Explorer Roof Rack
FTE Small - Timing - How to adjust?
Re: FTE Small - Timing - How to adjust?
FTE Small - Bronco II engine swap
Re: FTE Small - Timing - How to adjust?
Re: FTE Small - Timing - How to adjust?
FTE Small - ELECTRONIC 4x4 PROBLEMS
Re: FTE Small - Bronco II engine swap
Re: FTE Small - Anyone else running v8's in their Rangers?

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:57:00 EDT
From: BiggRanger aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - solid axle conversion

Ya, I've done this to 3 Rangers so far. There's a lot of work, it's not as
simple as moving the radius arm bracket back and lining up the springs. You
need to make a bracket for the panard rod arm, work out steering geometry...
There is a lot to this modification, and it all has to be done right to be
safe.... You would be better off using the Bronco frame with the axles then
you could easly drop in a 5.0

If you check out my web site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/biggranger you can
check out a few of my Rangers with Dana 44's up front (78 - 79 style's for
the extra width).

Darren
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:22:30 -0400
From: "Daniel O'Shea"
Subject: FTE Small - Any Boston Ford service recommendations?

I hope this is appropriate for this list.

Has anyone had any particularly positive experiences with a service
departments of any of the Ford dealers in the Boston area? I need to
take my 98 Ranger in for what I think will be a difficult-to-diagnose
problem and I would rather not deal with an unfriendly service
department.


Please email me directly, and I will post a summary to the list if
anyone is interested.


Thanks in advance!

Dan

dano ltx.com
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:02:11 EDT
From: Mtbikr17 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Anyone else running v8's in their Rangers?

damn a 5.0 that thing must screw, i wish i had the time or the $$$ to put a
v8 in my ranger, all i got is a 2.0L 4-banger in my truck, and sorry i dont
have any advise
from
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:54:16 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Can't find Spout

At 11:17 PM -0400 5/13/99, Tim Turner wrote:
>Dave Slotter wrote:
>
> > Just keep in mind that timing is different for different vehicles
>> (manual versus automatic transmissions for example).
>
>Actually I can't think of a Ford with EEC-IV that isn't 10 BTDC from '85
>to '93. Seems to be a standard with the spout disconnected.
>
>TT

Tim,

My 1987 Mercury Merkur XR4Ti has a C-3 automatic transmission and it
is supposed to be set to 13 degrees BTDC instead of 10. However, the
manual version of the car (utilizing a T-9 transmission) is set to 10
degrees BTDC. Of course, while it is a Ford, it isn't a truck. Maybe
that was what you were referring to?

The automatic XR, in addition to a different transmission, has a
different cam and computer parameters on its EEC-IV because it
outputs 145 HP with the same exact engine that outputs 175 HP on the
manual version. The Ford engineers felt that they had to "hold back"
some of the power to prolong component life. While some people can
get away with bumping the HP output back up on the automatic vehicles
(without changing components) I have decided to leave things alone
for the meanwhile.

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1986 Ford Bronco II Gray Manual 2.9 V6 123K Pittsburgh PA

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:41:47 -0500
From: "Herring, Bobby"
Subject: FTE Small - '97 Explorer Roof Rack

I have a 97 Explorer that came with the roof rack. Saturday afternoon,
apparently
one of the thumb screws came loose and the wind blew the driver's side of
the
cross bar loose. It went up and over and when finished, it was hanging down
on the
passenger side with one end down next to the rear bumper.
All I need is the passenger side rail that attaches to the top of the cab.
Everything is
still intact.
The dealer want's $75 to $131 depending on the manufacture date.
Does anyone know of a cheaper place to find one of these?
I called all the wrecking yards in the Waco, Texas area and none of them
have one.
One said that if he did, the whole assembly would have to be bought at about
$150.

Any help appreciated.

Bobby Herring

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:27:51 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: FTE Small - Timing - How to adjust?

Hi,

I have a 1988 Bronco 2 that I am restoring. I just replaced the plugs,
wires, distributor cap and rotor. I would like to check on the timing to
finish the job, but I am at a loss as to how I go about adjusting it. I
have the chilton's manual on it, and I also have the Haynes Fuel Injection
book, but neither of them specifically say how to adjust the timing. They
both say that you need to get the electrical connector off of the
distributor, and then with a timing gun see what you've got. If I find it
off of what I think it should be, I want to adjust it, but am at a loss as
to how. Does anyone have any ideas how to do this?

Thanks,

Adam
Adam McLaughlin KD6POC
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:56:09 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Timing - How to adjust?

At 3:27 PM -0700 5/17/99, Adam McLaughlin wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a 1988 Bronco 2 that I am restoring. I just replaced the plugs,
>wires, distributor cap and rotor. I would like to check on the timing to
>finish the job, but I am at a loss as to how I go about adjusting it. I
>have the chilton's manual on it, and I also have the Haynes Fuel Injection
>book, but neither of them specifically say how to adjust the timing. They
>both say that you need to get the electrical connector off of the
>distributor, and then with a timing gun see what you've got. If I find it
>off of what I think it should be, I want to adjust it, but am at a loss as
>to how. Does anyone have any ideas how to do this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Adam

Adam,

That electrical connector is the SPOUT. To locate the SPOUT, see the
following URL in the archives for the answer:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/archives/text/group1/80-96-list-digest_v2_n395.html

If the SPOUT is connected, the computer will adjust your timing and
any adjustments you make to that will be off, unless you know how to
adjust to its
adjustments. ;-)

You do know how to use a timing gun, right? I prefer the newer models
which clip on to the spark plug wires and use inductance as they're a
lot safer to use and are less hassle. I believe they cost around $30.
Make sure you clean off the timing marks if they're covered with
oil/grease/etc.

If timing is not set properly, you will physically rotate the
distributor until timing is set properly. There should be a bolt or
screw holding down the distributor that you will have to loosen first
and tighten up afterward. Of course, that's what I do to adjust
timing. My info is free and you get what you pay for! Of course, if
anyone hurts themselves following my directions, don't sue me as I
don't have any money. Be sure to follow safety precautions, etc. ;-)

- -Dave
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ICQ# 16458879 AOL/AIM ID: "Mac XR"
1986 Ford Bronco II Gray Manual 2.9 V6 123K Pittsburgh PA

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:01:30 -0600
From: "Larry A White"
Subject: FTE Small - Bronco II engine swap

I'd like to put an '89 Bronco II v-6 in my '84 5-speed model. Will that engine
bolt up to my trans/bellhousing? How about compatability of motor mounts and
engine accessories (power steering, air compressor etc)?. Will I need the
computer from the '89 car? I'm interested in a little more power than I've got
and don't need a hot rod. Anyone got other recommendations to accomplish that?

Thanks....


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:14:40 -0500
From: Edward Saunders
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Timing - How to adjust?

There should be a little plug coming from the distributer. It has what looks
like a plug in it, pull it out and do the timing, then put it back in.

Adam McLaughlin wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a 1988 Bronco 2 that I am restoring. I just replaced the plugs,
> wires, distributor cap and rotor. I would like to check on the timing to
> finish the job, but I am at a loss as to how I go about adjusting it. I
> have the chilton's manual on it, and I also have the Haynes Fuel Injection
> book, but neither of them specifically say how to adjust the timing. They
> both say that you need to get the electrical connector off of the
> distributor, and then with a timing gun see what you've got. If I find it
> off of what I think it should be, I want to adjust it, but am at a loss as
> to how. Does anyone have any ideas how to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
> Adam McLaughlin KD6POC
> KD6POC JPS.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jps.net/jmclaugh/adam2.htm
> ICQ #6147499
> No-SSB International #1,000,178
> NO-QRP International #1,000,006
> AIM "Screen Name" is: kd6poc
> "We are the dreamers, and we are the music makers"
>
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:21:52 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Timing - How to adjust?

Hi Dave,

Duh! I can't believe it was so obvious! My timing light is one that you
need to put in series with plug no. 1. I'll run down to the store to get an
induction model before starting this.

Thanks again!

Adam


At 06:56 PM 5/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At 3:27 PM -0700 5/17/99, Adam McLaughlin wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have a 1988 Bronco 2 that I am restoring. I just replaced the plugs,
>>wires, distributor cap and rotor. I would like to check on the timing to
>>finish the job, but I am at a loss as to how I go about adjusting it. I
>>have the chilton's manual on it, and I also have the Haynes Fuel Injection
>>book, but neither of them specifically say how to adjust the timing. They
>>both say that you need to get the electrical connector off of the
>>distributor, and then with a timing gun see what you've got. If I find it
>>off of what I think it should be, I want to adjust it, but am at a loss as
>>to how. Does anyone have any ideas how to do this?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Adam
>
>Adam,
>
>That electrical connector is the SPOUT. To locate the SPOUT, see the
>following URL in the archives for the answer:
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/archives/text/group1/80-96-list-digest_v2_n395.h
tml
>
>If the SPOUT is connected, the computer will adjust your timing and
>any adjustments you make to that will be off, unless you know how to
>adjust to its
>adjustments. ;-)
>
>You do know how to use a timing gun, right? I prefer the newer models
>which clip on to the spark plug wires and use inductance as they're a
>lot safer to use and are less hassle. I believe they cost around $30.
>Make sure you clean off the timing marks if they're covered with
>oil/grease/etc.
>
>If timing is not set properly, you will physically rotate the
>distributor until timing is set properly. There should be a bolt or
>screw holding down the distributor that you will have to loosen first
>and tighten up afterward. Of course, that's what I do to adjust
>timing. My info is free and you get what you pay for! Of course, if
>anyone hurts themselves following my directions, don't sue me as I
>don't have any money. Be sure to follow safety precautions, etc. ;-)
>
>-Dave
>--
>

> ICQ# 16458879 AOL/AIM ID: "Mac XR"
> 1986 Ford Bronco II Gray Manual 2.9 V6 123K Pittsburgh PA
>
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>
Adam McLaughlin KD6POC
KD6POC JPS.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jps.net/jmclaugh/adam2.htm
ICQ #6147499
No-SSB International #1,000,178
NO-QRP International #1,000,006
AIM "Screen Name" is: kd6poc
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:11:05 -0400
From: "Greg Fisher"
Subject: FTE Small - ELECTRONIC 4x4 PROBLEMS

I have a 1995 Ranger 4x4 with 3.0L engine and manual transmission. I
recently attempted to switch on the electronic 4 wheel drive and nothing
happened. No indicator light went on and the truck did not go into 4 wheel
drive. The 4x4 indicator lights no longer go on when starting the engine
either. I have checked the fuses in the cab and under the hood and can find
no problems there. This truck has had a variety of "check engine" instances
since I bought it including needing to have the charcoal cannister replaced
and a problem with the dome light staying on. Since those problems happened
while under warranty and were fixed at the dealer, I cannot say what was
actually done. However, I have never had any problems with the 4x4 until
now. Since the truck has only about 21,000 miles on it (mostly highway) I
don't think wear and tear is a factor here.

Anyone else have a similar problem. Since it is no longer under warranty I
would like to troubleshoot it myself if possible, but I suspect that I will
need more than the Owners Manual to trace the system. ;-)

Thanks in advance for any help!
- --Greg

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:45:30 EDT
From: Mtbikr17 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Bronco II engine swap

yea the tranny and bell housing will line up as long as the 84' had a 2.8L
V-6 , and ud have to use all the brackets off the 98' motor, and ud have to
use the 89's intake, cause it should be fuel injected, anything else?
from
mtbikr17
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:17:51 -0700
From: "Jason Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Anyone else running v8's in their Rangers?

I am not currently running a V-8 in my Ranger, but I am very interested in
if you installed the 5.0 yourself. If you did, i would really like to have
some info about how much everything cost and what mods you had to do. I
REALLY want a 5.0 and can easily get my hands on a good one reasonably cheap
and just need some info about the actual changing of the engines and how you
modified the wiring. Please e-mail me personally with any info that you
might have.

Thanks in advance,
Jason Fischer
1995 Ranger Splash
3.0 Liter V-6

jman6996 kcinter.net

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From: Daner
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Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 8:09 PM
Subject: FTE Small - Anyone else running v8's in their Rangers?


>
>I'm running a 5.0L EFI currently. 1/4 mile times are at 13.712 ....


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