small-list-digest Sunday, May 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 118



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In this issue:

FTE Small - For sale --3 auto locking hubs cheap
FTE Small - tranny going on my windstar?
Re: FTE Small - Door cracks
Re: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo
FTE Small - solid axle conversion
FTE Small - Rangers for year 2000
Re: FTE Small - B II 's with automatics ( No war, please ; } )
Re: FTE Small - Door cracks
Re: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo
Re: FTE Small - tranny going on my windstar?
Re: FTE Small - Door cracks
Re: FTE Small - tranny going on my windstar?
FTE Small - Auto Manual War! err... Good discussion

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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 04:52:23 PDT
From: "Bryan Snyder"
Subject: FTE Small - For sale --3 auto locking hubs cheap

For those who still may want autos, I will be going to manual hubs in the
next week and a half and will have three good low mileage hubs for sale. 1
out of a 90 ranger stx and 2 from an 94 explorer with 50,000 miles on it. If
anyone is interested I'll sell them all for $80 bucks plus shipping. If
interested heres my email.

Rangerstx hotmail.com


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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:26:41 -0500
From: "Parker & Heidi"
Subject: FTE Small - tranny going on my windstar?

hi all,

was wondering what this noise meant that i'm now hearing in my '98 windstar
w/ 99K miles....


as i just start off in the morning, and am driving out of my parking spot
and towards the street, slowing down with the brakes, the tranny hits back
into first real hard, like it was coasting to fast or a clutch might be
going?

only think else that i can add is that the tranny fluid gets changed every
30K with redline D4 fluid.

is this a common noise to indicate a going tranny?

thanks,
parker


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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:00:23 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Door cracks

On Thu, 13 May 1999 23:51:01 -0400, you wrote:

:
:
:rgstein pacbell.net wrote:
:>=20
:> Alan wrote ------------------------------------------------------
:> It's amazing to me that they can make something like a power
:> window which won't last the life of the vehicle.
:
:It's a $$ making accessory at the time of purchase. It's not needed for
:the actual functioning of the vehicle and gets low priority for
:reliability and makes additional revenue when it goes bad. Power
:accessories are always one of the first things to go and I'm amazed
:that people want them!
:

I beg to differ that, once installed, power windows ARE necessary
for the life of the vehicle. I do a good deal of city driving,
and I need to open and close the window several times a day. If
the power window mechanism stops working, I'm not gonna like it
at all!


:>=20
:> Mine chatter coming down (yes, it was sorta fixed by the dealer)
:> simply because there is a loose connection between the drive
:> mechanism and the window. It's apparently designed that way for
:> some mysterious reason, but it's really, dare I say it, 'STUPID'.
:
:No.. It was designed for manual operation and the motor was grafted on
:for the lazy.=20
Sure, with a loose connection between the mechanism and the
motor? I wonder at some design people's brains. . .

: A good motor can deflect the door 1/4" or more at the
:stop; I doubt you or I would put *that* much force on the handle every
:time the window was raised or lowered.

I bet I could. Especially in the winter when the window has
frozen shut and I NEED to open it! I've done it with an old car,
to the extent of damaging the window regulator. . . . :-(

Later,
Alan



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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:02:23 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo

On Thu, 13 May 1999 23:53:12 -0400, you wrote:

:
:
:Stephen Bozzone wrote:
:>=20
:> The bottom line with owner satisfaction is that it varies from case to
:> case.. sometimes you luck out and get a good product, whereas someone =
else
:> will have countless problems with the same product.
:>=20
:>
:
:Usually works out to owner care.
:
:TT

Too simplistic an answer, TT. =20
We both know that many people don't take proper care of their
vehicle, and some of them have problems, and some don't. =20

And we also know that two people can buy the same model, take
care of it reasonably, and one can have problems and the other
won't.

.... it's quality control. Or fate, or something.

Later,
Alan
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:56:00 -0700
From: "T.J. Spampinato"
Subject: FTE Small - solid axle conversion

Has anyone converted their ttb fornt end to a solid axle? I am looking
into doing this with my '87 Bronco 2. I have a dana 44 and ford 9 inch
out of an early '70's bronco, that I would like to mount up with a lift
at the same time. What kind of modifications does this take and does
any one sell adapters to do this? Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,
T.J.

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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:19:48 -0700
From: mckenncortel earthlink.net
Subject: FTE Small - Rangers for year 2000

Anybody have any info. on new Rangers for 2000? A friend told me the
Super Cab would be even bigger, that he heard about it at a car show. We
want to be able to seat 3 people COMFORTABLY. Any magazine reviews or
anything at all on upcoming Ranger, especially XLT Supercab?

Helen
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:13:27 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - B II 's with automatics ( No war, please ; } )

Keith Christensen wrote:
>
> >> >But then again, how many people have a BII with an automatic? - -Dave
>
> >Doesn't Seattle get snow a bunch? I'd expect (want!) a manual for those
> >conditions.
>
> Actually, Metropolitan Seattle area with elevations below 1000 ft doesn't
> get that much snow.

I stand corrected. ;-)

> We do get hit with some rare snowdumps like back in 96-97 holidays

'89 X-mas here; record snow and record low (12" and 0F)

> ( the B II got around without chains while not much else did with 'em!).

Didn't have mine in '89 but I'm sure it would have handled it well.

> We do get a lot of short 1-3 " splats that stay around for
> maybe 3-4 days, but that's enough to paralyze the marching morons here.

Anything that sticks to the road shuts this town down! Of course light
rain triples the accident rate so you can imagine the fiasco the
biannual 1/2" snow causes..

> I grew up in Montana with sticks aplenty on the ranch, and I'm not knocking
> them at all... I cobbled an old M38A1 roundhood (Military version of the
> CJ5) with a MerCruiser 120 ( rebopped C***y 4 cyl) in front of a 'small' IH
> 5 speed, the old 2 stick xfer, and the Warn OD as well, nobody else could
> drive it unless they had OJT to get used to which pole to grab for what !
> (and I wish I could "twin lever" convert the one in the B II easily)

Sounds nice! Agreed on the OTJ. There are OD units available, but
not 'easily' installed.

>
> But for the snow and traffic here, I like the auto better. I can do a better
> job of 'feeding it just enough to go instead of spinning using '2' here than
> I can with the stick B II that a buddy has. Our snow is usually
> sloppy/dense crap.

One thing Ford got right.. being able to start in 2nd on some auto's.
How well does low 1st work in that stuff?

> There's good/ bad on both... you just have to learn how to deal with both
> on their terms

Agreed; had a roommate many years ago that gave me a taste of debate and
have enjoyed it for it's own sake ever since. Occasionally it's gotten
me into trouble, but so be it. ;-)

> >I'll take my 5 speed any day over an auto. Doing the work yourself you
> >can go through a bunch of clutches for the price of one rebuild of an
> >auto.
>
> That's true! Doing that now is not an easy option.. time/tools/ backaches
> just won't let me do much of it anymore.

I'll agree to a point, even with a lift, air tools and a tranny jack I
still dread the next clutch mine needs; but that's not my normal type of
vehicle work. (I'll still do it though!
recover Sunday...>)

> I got kinda burnt out on working under vehicles after trying to bench-press
> a K-car when a jackstand collapsed.

Very understandable!!! Just having a seal fail on a lift and it
dropping onto the safety catch was enough to un-nerve me for many
minutes and rethink my profession for a few days. (Weeks?) Add in a
supervisor that had 2 different cars shed a blade from it's fan within
inches of his head in one month, being sprayed with hot coolant from a
bursting hose, skin blisters from what now passes for oil in A/C
systems, being trapped while checking the timing on a 70's Caddy and the
hood decided to close and numerous other close calls sometimes I
question my sanity for working on running vehicles.

>
> The other problem was trying to relearn the Tojo's shift pattern after
> driving a M35 deuce or the 5 ton .
> 1st /5th/rev/2nd all different.. The Deuce's tranny just made loud noises on
> mistakes and wouldn't let you do it.. the Tojo quietly would "accept" and
> break..

Like the mid 70's Datsuns that had R up and 1st down then 2-5 in the
normal H. Odd compared to the rest of the 4 & 5 speeds of the time,
but easy enough for those used to a 3 speed I guess. Know thy pattern!
:-)

>
> >True.. but I spent the extra month to find a 5 speed. ;-) I was
> >*very* happy that it had no power options or automatic hubs either.
> >Since I fix those 'options' all the time and see stuck 4x4s from simple
> >failures of the 'power' crap on a daily basis I dont want it!
>
> THAT is da truth.. I did go manual hubs and lever xfer case..
> I did go the power windows/ door locks, but I can stand up working on those!
> (besides, it was used when I got it.. ya take the best choice....)

Agreed; get the closest you can find to what you want and modify to suit
if needed. Did convert my old Satellite from auto to 4 spd. manual but
that was a bit much; wouldn't do it now (some 19 years later). I use a
stool when I'm working on the doors myself.

>
> >> ( trying to locate the
> >> owner of one sitting in a alley that's had BOTH of the pricey rear side
> >> glass panels broken..)

> >Even one is almost grounds for totaling one as old as my '85. ;-)

> Yup, previous owner's insurance papers showed that they paid $1400 for ONE
> side busted..

!!! I'm going to be *WAY* paranoid now when I go romping through the
trees.. I only paid $2900 for the whole truck two years ago. Both
windows would be close enough to that.

> I figure if I can get it cheap, I'll cobble some LEXAN in there. I plan on
> building a 'who cares what it looks like' rig that gets places that the
> fancy ones can't. "Working Cowboy 4 wheeler, complete with cowass dents on
> at least one fender"

I think I'd cut the roof and make it like the full size removable or a
soft top. That's enough to make me consider full coverage again!
$1400.. wow.. Well then again they *would* total it for one window and
I dont want that!

>
> >Or on to the auto/manual war..
>
> No war, but hope to get some good discussions and philosophy going..

'Debate' rather than war then. ;-)

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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:38:38 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Door cracks

alannorthstar mindspring.com wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 May 1999 23:51:01 -0400, you wrote:
>
> :
> :
> :rgstein pacbell.net wrote:
> :>
> :> Alan wrote ------------------------------------------------------
> :> It's amazing to me that they can make something like a power
> :> window which won't last the life of the vehicle.
> :
> :It's a $$ making accessory at the time of purchase. It's not needed for
> :the actual functioning of the vehicle and gets low priority for
> :reliability and makes additional revenue when it goes bad. Power
> :accessories are always one of the first things to go and I'm amazed
> :that people want them!
> :
>
> I beg to differ that, once installed, power windows ARE necessary
> for the life of the vehicle. I do a good deal of city driving,
> and I need to open and close the window several times a day. If
> the power window mechanism stops working, I'm not gonna like it
> at all!


*Once installed*.. Power assist is unnecessary Vs. a manual window; If
you dont buy them to begin with you're ahead of the game. I might
replace one manual regulator every year at the shop, but more power
window problems than I can shake a stick at. As much as you use the
window from what you say I'd avoid power ones like the plague. Power
seats I can see if one's body deviates form the designed 'normal' so
you're not stuck with the preset notches that fit most adequately and
none completely; but seats get adjusted far less than windows go up or
down.

> : A good motor can deflect the door 1/4" or more at the
> :stop; I doubt you or I would put *that* much force on the handle every
> :time the window was raised or lowered.

>
> I bet I could. Especially in the winter when the window has
> frozen shut and I NEED to open it! I've done it with an old car,
> to the extent of damaging the window regulator. . . . :-(

I'm sure you can easily exceed 1/2"; I said *every* time the window goes
to full travel. When the handle gets snug I stop rolling, a motor stops
when it's damn tight! Try using all your force on a manual window every
time you go all the way up/down and see how long the parts or the door
lasts.


Ciao!

Tim
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:54:08 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo

alannorthstar mindspring.com wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 May 1999 23:53:12 -0400, you wrote:
>
> :
> :
> :Stephen Bozzone wrote:
> :>

> :
> :Usually works out to owner care.
> :
> :TT
>
> Too simplistic an answer, TT.
> We both know that many people don't take proper care of their
> vehicle, and some of them have problems, and some don't.
>
> And we also know that two people can buy the same model, take
> care of it reasonably, and one can have problems and the other
> won't.
>
> .... it's quality control. Or fate, or something.
>
I know.. I cringed when I saw I said that. I know better, but it can
be a minor factor and probably wouldn't apply to anyone that cares
enough about their Ford to be on the list(s)!
I was hoping it'd go un-noticed but oh well. Sorry guys!
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:07:22 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - tranny going on my windstar?

Parker & Heidi wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> was wondering what this noise meant that i'm now hearing in my '98 windstar
> w/ 99K miles....
>
> as i just start off in the morning, and am driving out of my parking spot
> and towards the street, slowing down with the brakes, the tranny hits back
> into first real hard, like it was coasting to fast or a clutch might be
> going?

There's a lot of electronics involved also; I'd suggest having that
checked out first. There could be many reasons that all of a sudden it
thinks 1st gear is the 'gear of choice' that dont involve the
hydraulics. I hate to suggest the dealer, but lots of independant
transmission shops arent real hip on the electronics either.
Also there's about a 2 year lag in good information between the dealer
and what's released to the aftermarket so for a 98 you're kinda stuck.
:-(

Tim
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:04:17 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Door cracks

On Sat, 15 May 1999 20:38:38 -0400, you wrote:


:> I beg to differ that, once installed, power windows ARE necessary
:> for the life of the vehicle. I do a good deal of city driving,
:> and I need to open and close the window several times a day. If
:> the power window mechanism stops working, I'm not gonna like it
:> at all!
:
:
:*Once installed*.. Power assist is unnecessary Vs. a manual window; If
:you dont buy them to begin with you're ahead of the game. I might
:replace one manual regulator every year at the shop, but more power
:window problems than I can shake a stick at. As much as you use the
:window from what you say I'd avoid power ones like the plague.=20

I think "they" got both of us with this one -- I mean, if one
uses a window a lot, it makes sense to get a power window.

Yet, you're saying the opposite, because they break down.

Sheesh!

We both ought to go back to our burrows and let Ford continue to
run the world! We can't fight them!

Signing off on this one,
Alan
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:50:33 -0400
From: Tom Kirkbride
Subject: Re: FTE Small - tranny going on my windstar?

How the hell do you have almost 100,000 miles on your 98 windstar? I
have just over 100,000 miles on my 89 aerostar.

On Sat, 15 May 1999 10:26:41 -0500 "Parker & Heidi"
writes:
> hi all,
>
> was wondering what this noise meant that i'm now hearing in my '98
> windstar
> w/ 99K miles....
>
>
> as i just start off in the morning, and am driving out of my parking
> spot
> and towards the street, slowing down with the brakes, the tranny
> hits back
> into first real hard, like it was coasting to fast or a clutch might
> be
> going?
>
> only think else that i can add is that the tranny fluid gets changed
> every
> 30K with redline D4 fluid.
>
> is this a common noise to indicate a going tranny?
>
> thanks,
> parker
>
>
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:01:09 -0500
From: b.mccoy baldeagle.com
Subject: FTE Small - Auto Manual War! err... Good discussion

Keith Wrote,
>>Or on to the auto/manual war..

>No war, but hope to get some good discussions and philosophy
>going..

Well, being new to the list and the proud new owner of a clean '93
Ranger 4X4 with an Auto and the 4.0 six I will chime in my $.02
worth.

Over the years I have mostly alternated back and forth from Auto to
Manual, every other truck. Now I think I am on the Auto side to
stay. There was a time I would have argued to the bitter end that
the manual gives you MUCH more control over any auto. But, just....


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