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In this issue:

FTE Small - ADMIN: Off to Pigeon Forge
FTE Small - Timing problem...
FTE Small - Posi Trac question...
Re: FTE Small - Posi Trac question...
FTE Small - Can't find Spout
RE: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
FTE Small - Red mark/National Speed Limit FACTS
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
RE: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
Re: FTE Small - Can't find Spout
Re: FTE Small - Can't find Spout
Re: FTE Small - Can't find Spout
FTE Small - Recall
Re: FTE Small - Re: 98 ranger questions
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
FTE Small - re: Timing problem
FTE Small - ADMIN: FTE at the Supernationals
FTE Small - Correction: ADMIN: FTE at the Supernationals
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
Re: AW: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:45:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Off to Pigeon Forge

We're off to the 21st Annual F100 Supernationals in Pigeon
Forge, Tennessee. List make will be retrieved daily (bringing
the laptop) but questions to the admin or requests will not
be answered until Monday, May 17th unless its an emergency.

In addition to meeting many of the FTE's we're making this
a vacation for the wife and myself (grandmother is coming over
to watch the kids) so if anyone who shows up is willing to
watch the table for an hour or so it would really be appreciated.

We're bringing FTE t-shirts and window stickers with us in
case you want one. Also, if you've driven your Ford truck to
the show, please see us at the FTE / Georgia LoRider area --
we're giving away a free static window sticker to all FTEs
who drive their truck. Trucks with an FTE static sticker will
be judged for a "Best of Show" trophy that we're bringing
(its a nice trophy!). Any year/model is acceptable for
judging. Additionally, we're giving out free tickets to
FTE members -- there will be a "door prize" of a t-shirt,
window sticker, FTE email address and web space (email address
and web space will be for one year).

Lastly, we've been pretty slack with getting the prize packs
(a free t-shirt and email address for one year) to those who
submitted a design last fall. If you're one of the people
who submitted a design, please see us at the show or email
us your address (I know, I know... we asked for this before
but we lost the information).

See ya there, we're leaving now.....

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:21:35 -0600
From: Tim Curran
Subject: FTE Small - Timing problem...

I have heard of the small block V-8 drop in kits that used to be
available but have never actually seen one, my first concerns when I
think about doing such a swap would be having to upgrade to a more
suitable transmission and rear end because knowing me I'd have the
transmission blow up inside of a week and the axle full of broken rack
and pinion teeth.......

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:48:36 PDT
From: "Joe Mitchell"
Subject: FTE Small - Posi Trac question...

Once again, I have a question.... On my 91 Ranger 2wd 4 cyl, sometimes
I see 2 tire marks after...."accelerating" and sometimes one. I'm
pretty sure I don't have posi trac, or even a locking diff., unless
one of the two options was standard in that year. Anyways, does anyone
here know how an average person can look at *something* on the truck
and tell? Sorry, not much knowledge of this kind of stuff....thanks...
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:58:36 -0600
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Posi Trac question...

I was just told if you get the part number off the differential you can show
it to the parts man and that information will enable him to tell you if you
have positraction or not.

Joe Mitchell wrote:

> Once again, I have a question.... On my 91 Ranger 2wd 4 cyl, sometimes
> I see 2 tire marks after...."accelerating" and sometimes one. I'm
> pretty sure I don't have posi trac, or even a locking diff., unless
> one of the two options was standard in that year. Anyways, does anyone
> here know how an average person can look at *something* on the truck
> and tell? Sorry, not much knowledge of this kind of stuff....thanks...
> --
> Joe
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> I'd push a Ford before I drove a Chevy, but I don't need to.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:48:52 -0500
From: "Danny B."
Subject: FTE Small - Can't find Spout

Could someone please tell me where the Timing Spout would be located
on a 1986 Bronco II, 2.9L ?

I have looked around the Distributor and diagnostic plug location and
can't find it. The only thing I did find was a round four pin connector
with a non conductive plastic cover on it.

Also, has anyone had any experience with an MSD coil. I just bought one
but have not installed it yet. I wanted to check the timing first.


Regards,

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:08:48 -0500
From: "Tony Rio"
Subject: RE: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

If it's for a national speed limit (that has been dropped) why does my brand
new '99 Jeep wrangler have it? hmmm.....

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Subject: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer


Ding wrote ------------------------------------------------------

Its absouletly 100% positivly marked for the national speed
limit......no lockup no this no that just for speed limit....Not every
car
locks up at the same speed now do they.......so obviously that can't be
the
reason........ding

Well, let's see:
1. My Aerostar is a '92. I believe that the National Speed Limit was
abandoned before that.
2. Ford completely redesigned the Aerostar dashboard (and a few other
things) for '92. Thus, it would seem that if the National Speed Limit
had been dropped before '92, they'd have dropped it from the dashboard
by then.
3. Yup. All cars wouldn't lock up at the same speed, but all Aerostars
would: they always used the same automatic transmission, and in all
models. So, what I come up with is that that's where the overdrive
kicks in, which it does in my vehicle as sure as taxes.

Richard

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:29:10 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!

:At 8:39 AM -0400 5/11/99, DHall1157 aol.com wrote:
:>Try using a graphite based oil instead of WD-40. WD-40 is a solvent not=
a
:>long lasting lubricant.
:
A good rule of thumb on all carburetor/throttle related parts
which aren't actually in the gasoline path is to NEVER lubricate
them. Just get them very, very clean so they won't stick.

Adding any oil or solvent will leave a film which will hold any
dust or dirt that comes in contact with it and it WILL result in
sticking and/or bad performance in some way.


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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:31:32 +0100
From: "Neil Brownlee"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Look...don;t want to sound dumb, but over here in the UK, the cars have the
same thing, only on the 70mph mark. It's the speed limit. Your 99 Jeep is
using a speedo built years ago....face it, just because they redesign the
dash don;t mean they make new gauges!!! Get real guys....it;s nothing to
with anything BUT the speed limit...the UK ones are marked at 30mph too....

Neil




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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:01:02 -0700
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Tony Rio wrote:
>
> If it's for a national speed limit (that has been dropped) why does my brand
> new '99 Jeep wrangler have it? hmmm.....
>


cause no one bothered to tell Jeep....

just kidding... sorry
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tcgrafx... among other things
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:44:46 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

So someday when the speedlimit is reduced to 55 again, we'll have these
silly red marks on the 70 mph mark and wonder why it's set so high...I know
I often use the mark as a sight reference when I'm cruising down the
highway...the red mark makes it easier to get my bearings on the speedometer
more quickly. I guess a fellow could open the case on it and change the
face to suit them...of course setting the red mark at 100 probably wouldn't
make the police to happy if I was ever stopped... which, by the way, I
haven't been..

C.K.

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:48:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sandman
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Well, there is no national speed limit anymore. I know that 55 used to be
the limit on highways everywhere, and interstates in cities, but not
anymore.

On Wed, 12 May 1999, C. K. Hartline wrote:

> So someday when the speedlimit is reduced to 55 again, we'll have these
> silly red marks on the 70 mph mark and wonder why it's set so high...I know
> I often use the mark as a sight reference when I'm cruising down the
> highway...the red mark makes it easier to get my bearings on the speedometer
> more quickly. I guess a fellow could open the case on it and change the
> face to suit them...of course setting the red mark at 100 probably wouldn't
> make the police to happy if I was ever stopped... which, by the way, I
> haven't been..
>

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:06:02 -0400
From: "Anthony Rifici"
Subject: FTE Small - Red mark/National Speed Limit FACTS

I wrote:
>As others have pointed out, it is on there due to the old national speed
limit. >That limit was lifted recently, only 3 or 4 years ago, so newer
cars don't have it.
>Some cars lingered on with 55 marked after it was lifted probably due to
the
>vehicle not being re-designed since before it was lifted.

Richard wrote:
>Well, let's see:
>1. My Aerostar is a '92. I believe that the National Speed Limit was
>abandoned before that.
>2. Ford completely redesigned the Aerostar dashboard (and a few other
>things) for '92. Thus, it would seem that if the National Speed Limit
>had been dropped before '92, they'd have dropped it from the dashboard
>by then.

>Richard


OK, you got me to look it up. The National Maximum Speed Limit (NMSL)
was eliminated under the National Highway System Designation Act (NHS Act)
of 1995, it was signed into law by congress on November 28, 1995. The act
allowed speed limits to be set at the discretion of the state, among other
things. You can read about it at www.nhtsa.dot.gov. I found it mentioned
in the background information in this paper,
www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/ncsa/pdf/speedlim.pdf on how everybody is going to
die because 55 was eliminated. (Warning: this is an 89pg, 5MB .pdf file)
The speed limit law info is on the first page and in the background.
As far as the 99 Jeep, although the Jeep was redesigned in 97 or 98, ask
yourself where the speedometer is from in the Chrysler corporate parts bin.
I could be mistaken, but I thought that I read that it is from the Neon,
which was introduced in 1994 as a 1995 model.
If there are more instances of post-1996 redesigned vehicles that do not
share speedometers with older siblings, there is probably another speed
limit related explanation. It may have something to do with fact that
UNMARKED 2 lane rural roads have a speed limit of 55 MPH (my 2nd guess).
In any case, can we agree that the 55 MPH marking has something to do
with speed and not with any other function of the automobile?
Now if we want to discuss speedometers, why did most vehicles in the
"red mark" era have 85 MPH speedometers? Why was the 85 MPH speedometer a
standard across the industry, even for different manufacturers (I said most
not all). Why weren't some 80, 90, or 95, depending on the make/model? New
cars don't exhibit this uniformity? Was some government agency pressuring
automakers to do this? Is that the standard for which our highways are
designed? Let the wild speculation begin!!!

Later,
Tony
94 Ranger Supercab, 4.0L, 5-Speed

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:09:00 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Sandman wrote:

> Well, there is no national speed limit anymore. I know that 55 used to be
> the limit on highways everywhere, and interstates in cities, but not
> anymore.

And your POINT is???

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:16:06 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: RE: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

>If it's for a national speed limit (that has been dropped) why does my brand
>new '99 Jeep wrangler have it? hmmm.....

My guess is that it's a legacy left over from the national speed
limit days. Just because the law has changed doesn't mean that the
designers have to redesign the gauges. Vehicles are full of legacy
items. Computers are the same way. The Y2K problem is perhaps the
biggest sign of legacy items being in existence.

Why doesn't someone pick up the phone, call Ford and ask?

- -Dave Slotter
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:33:47 -0500
From: Jason Blom
Subject: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Been reading about the red mark on the speedometer, and can assure you that
it is the general (National) speed limit up until 1995.

"The National Highway System Designation Act of 1995 repealed the national
maximum speed limit (NMSL) and returned authority to set speed limits to
the states."

So it would stand to reason that only vehicles made after 1995-96 would
reflect the speed limit change, seeing as how each state could post their
own limits.

My dad's 93' supercab Ranger has a mark at 55, but my 99' supercab Ranger
does not.

Jason B
99 Ranger sup. cab flareside
3.0L 4x4 auto


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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:34:47 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Can't find Spout

At 8:48 AM -0500 5/12/99, Danny B. wrote:
>Could someone please tell me where the Timing Spout would be located
>on a 1986 Bronco II, 2.9L ?
>
>I have looked around the Distributor and diagnostic plug location and
>can't find it. The only thing I did find was a round four pin connector
>with a non conductive plastic cover on it.
>
>Also, has anyone had any experience with an MSD coil. I just bought one
>but have not installed it yet. I wanted to check the timing first.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>DB
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Danny,

This question has been answered on the list before. I know, because I
have asked for it before! You can search for it in the archives. For
the benefit of all, here is the URL which contains the answer (just
do a find for "spout" and you will find my question and the answer.)

http://www.ford-trucks.com/archives/text/group1/80-96-list-digest_v2_n395.html

The archive search feature is an excellent reference to use. I highly
recommend consulting it first.

- -Dave
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:45:21 EDT
From: Rngr86STX aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Can't find Spout

There should be a small wire just to the left of the intake manifold coming
off the wiring harness. a small two pin plug with a white plastic cap. Timing
is 10 BTDC---------Good luck
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:03:12 -0400
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Can't find Spout

At 2:45 PM -0400 5/12/99, Rngr86STX aol.com wrote:
>There should be a small wire just to the left of the intake manifold coming
>off the wiring harness. a small two pin plug with a white plastic cap. Timing
>is 10 BTDC---------Good luck

Just keep in mind that timing is different for different vehicles
(manual versus automatic transmissions for example). But then again,
how many people have a BII with an automatic? There should be a
sticker under the hood that tells you what to set timing to and it
shows a picture of the SPOUT as well. At least our '86 BII with 2.9
V6 has (which happens to be the same engine as the person posting the
question.)

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:12:33 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Small - Recall

" I clearly
understand this to mean what it says and we know that
the condition has been around for at least three
months so isn't it sensible to assume that they
should have at least a FEW cables ready NOW?"

I'm sure they have a few cables available,who should have one?
You,me the guy down the street?Ford doesn't want 500 people
lined up at the dealer for 12 cables.

"The real complaint here is that they refuse to allow
the owner to take the truck to anyone but THEIR dealer!
They also refuse to tell the owner what to look for on
the existing cables in order to determine if his truck
has the offending parts"

To take this a step further if my Midas muffler falls off,I should be
able to go to Mieneke and get a new installed one for free or install a
new one myself and bill Midas?

"As a prudent owner of a 1999 Mazda B2500 I would like to
have the option of taking this truck to MY repair shop
and have it inspected by MY mechanic to determine if
this truck is safe to drive and I want to do this NOW!"

Go ahead,liability wise I'm sure Ford would like for your local
mechanic to say ,in writing it's safe after they sent you a letter
saying there is a potential problem

"They tell us that defective cables cause the throttle to
stick, right? What if they are mistaken? What if they
are just guessing that the problem is in the cables?
Can't we agree that a sticking throttle can be caused
by many things?"

They really have no clue as to what the problem is.They just thought
the stockholders would enjoy spending millions on a unnessasary
recall,not to mention all the good P.R.that a safety recall gets.

"Do they intend, for example, to give us a daily
allowance for everyday we can't use what we paid for?"

If you average out the loss of use of cruise over the life of the
truck,what's it worth a day?.$.00000005?

"We don't intend to buy any Ford products until this
matter is handled to a satisfactory conclusion."

Please don't.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:57:12 -0400
From: "Eric Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: 98 ranger questions

The problem I had was with the U joints. Every time I put the thing in
reverse from Drive I would hear a clunk sound. It also did it off the line
and going around corners.

Eric Davis
98 4x4 Ranger,
Custom Exhaust with Edlebrock muffler,
Superchip, K&N.
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From: Randy Collins
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:21 PM
Subject: FTE Small - Re: 98 ranger questions


>Thanks for the tip; I'm assuming you are referring to the front drive
>shaft? What was the culpret? Fix?
>
>tia
>
>ran
>



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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:14:39 -0500
From: Scott Ford
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Jason Blom wrote:
>
> Been reading about the red mark on the speedometer, and can assure you that
> it is the general (National) speed limit up until 1995.
>
> "The National Highway System Designation Act of 1995 repealed the national
> maximum speed limit (NMSL) and returned authority to set speed limits to
> the states."

This law left it to the states to decide their speed limits, but the
55MPH
national limit was lifted to 65 on interstate highways by the feds quite
a
while before that. I don't remember the exact year, but it was at least
a
year or two before I turned 16, which was in late '90. The reason your
dad's '93 ranger still has the mark is that the dash in that truck dates
back to '89, probably one of the last years to have the 55 national
speed
limit. If I remember right, not all states chose to raise the limits to
65 at that time, but it has been 65 in Missouri since before I could
drive.


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'56 Ford F-100 Alpha Psi chapter
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Date: Wed, 12 May 99 16:55:45 EDT
From: CONAN RALVM8.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: FTE Small - re: Timing problem

>>per Tim Curran
>>boy a Ranger with a 351 Windsor would be nice some times........

Yeah! Say about a 1971 model! :-) :-) :-)
Ed in NC
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:17:09 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: FTE at the Supernationals

Hi gang! Just wanted anyone who's attending the Supernationals
to know that we're at the Days Inn, room 208 (you'll see an
FTE window sticker on the hotel room window). Stop by for your
free door prize ticket and a window sticker for your truck (if
you brought it to the show).

Ken Payne
FTE Admin

PS - Keith and Deacon, wish you were here!!

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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:03:07 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - Correction: ADMIN: FTE at the Supernationals

Woops! I meant room 205! Not 208 (luckily, 208 is another
FTE's room).

Ken

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Hi gang! Just wanted anyone who's attending the Supernationals
> to know that we're at the Days Inn, room 208 (you'll see an
> FTE window sticker on the hotel room window). Stop by for your
> free door prize ticket and a window sticker for your truck (if
> you brought it to the show).
>
> Ken Payne
> FTE Admin
>
> PS - Keith and Deacon, wish you were here!!
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:18:00 -0700
From: "Jason Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Granted that the speed limit has been increased for the major highways
nationwide, but there are still many smaller highways that still have a 55
mph speed limit. I know that almost all of the highways that I travel on a
daily basis still have a 55 mph speed limit on them, so I firmly agree that
the mark is for the 55 mph speed limit. There is no way that every vehicle
will lock into overdrive at the same speed, this happens depending on the
load and amount of acceleration on the vehicle at the time of driving.
Since we have been discussing this for quite a while now, I have done some
testing on my 1995 Ranger and have sucessfully achieved this task at many
different speeds (not one of which is 55 ).

Jason Fischer
1995 Ranger Splash
3.0 Liter V-6
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From: Tony Rio
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer


>If it's for a national speed limit (that has been dropped) why does my
brand
>new '99 Jeep wrangler have it? hmmm.....
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-small-list ford-trucks.com
>[mailto:owner-small-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of
>rgstein pacbell.net
>Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 2:21 AM
>To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
>
>
>Ding wrote ------------------------------------------------------
>
> Its absouletly 100% positivly marked for the national speed
>limit......no lockup no this no that just for speed limit....Not every
>car
>locks up at the same speed now do they.......so obviously that can't be
>the
>reason........ding
>
>Well, let's see:
>1. My Aerostar is a '92. I believe that the National Speed Limit was
>abandoned before that.
>2. Ford completely redesigned the Aerostar dashboard (and a few other....


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