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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!
Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!
Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!
Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!
Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!
Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
FTE Small - P/S Puller
FTE Small - Timing problem...
FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo
Re: FTE Small - P/S Puller
Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!
Re: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo
Re: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo
FTE Small - Re: 98 ranger questions
Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!
Re: FTE Small - Timing problem...
FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
AW: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:39:45 EDT
From: DHall1157 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!

Try using a graphite based oil instead of WD-40. WD-40 is a solvent not a
long lasting lubricant.
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:02:30 -0400
From: Geoffrey Hoffman
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!

At 8:39 AM -0400 5/11/99, DHall1157 aol.com wrote:
>Try using a graphite based oil instead of WD-40. WD-40 is a solvent not a
>long lasting lubricant.

WD-40 can also attract stuff that can make it stick and has all sorts of
weird behavior. Bike shops hate it when people use it on bikes. This
happened to me, and I just took it to the shop and had them clean the
throttle arm and stuff and relube it (with the real stuff), just cause i
was paranoid about something as important as my throttle. Hasn't been a
problem since.

+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Geoffrey Hoffman http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pobox.com/~hoffy/
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:55:38 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Sorry about the double post...=20
...once in a while I get an error message about a given email
having an error when sent, and I resend. Usually, there isn't a
double.

Sorry,
Alan
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:57:29 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!

On Mon, 10 May 1999 21:03:30 -0700, you wrote:

:Hi Alan:
:
:> Well, they recalled just under a million vehicles for this
:> problem. (Something like 975,000!)
:>=20
:> Think of the logistics of getting manufacturer to make a million
:> of them on short notice.
:>=20
:> Sheesh! Have a little patience!
:
:They have known about the cruise control problem for about
:three months now while the people that drive and ride in
:these trucks have their lives hanging out on a limb. How
:much patience would you like us to have?
:
:Michael
What can I say, except that to get a factory that may already be
working at or near capacity to produce a million of them doesn't
happen over night.

Not to mention the inertia beaurocracy has. . .

:-)

Later,
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:30:51 -0400
From: "Anthony Rifici"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

> Its absouletly 100% positivly marked for the national speed
>limit......no lockup no this no that just for speed limit....Not every car
>locks up at the same speed now do they.......so obviously that can't be the
>reason........ding


My 94 Ranger 5-Speed has the red mark at 55 and damn near every vehicle
I have driven with model years between the mid-80s and mid-90s has 55 marked
in some way (manual or automatic, Fords and non-Fords). As others have
pointed out, it is on there due to the old national speed limit. That limit
was lifted recently, only 3 or 4 years ago, so newer cars don't have it.
Some cars lingered on with 55 marked after it was lifted probably due to the
vehicle not being re-designed since before it was lifted. It has nothing to
do with the torque converter. When the torque converter locks up is of no
concern to 90+% of the driving public, so why would they put forth the
effort to mark it. Most cars and trucks during that time period didn't even
have tachometers, temperature, oil pressure, or alternator gauges as
standard equipment, which would benefit the driver more often than knowing
when the torque converter locks up.

Tony
'94 Ranger Supercab, 4.0L, 5-Speed

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:35:02 -0600
From: "David Herron"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!

If you take it in, they will disable the cruise control until they get the
parts -- But it's just as safe to leave the cruise control off.

My $.02,
--Dave
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David Herron - dherron cpmc4u.com
Director of Information Systems
Colorado Plains Medical Center
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>What can I say, except that to get a factory that may already be
>working at or near capacity to produce a million of them doesn't
>happen over night.
>
>Not to mention the inertia beaurocracy has. . .


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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:10:45 -0700
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!

alannorthstar mindspring.com wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 May 1999 21:03:30 -0700, you wrote:
>
> :Hi Alan:
> :
> :> Well, they recalled just under a million vehicles for this
> :> problem. (Something like 975,000!)
> :>
> :> Think of the logistics of getting manufacturer to make a million
> :> of them on short notice.
> :>
> :> Sheesh! Have a little patience!
> :
> :They have known about the cruise control problem for about
> :three months now while the people that drive and ride in
> :these trucks have their lives hanging out on a limb. How
> :much patience would you like us to have?
> :
> :Michael
> What can I say, except that to get a factory that may already be
> working at or near capacity to produce a million of them doesn't
> happen over night.
>
> Not to mention the inertia beaurocracy has. . .
>
> :-)
>
> Later,
> Alan


Hi Alan:

But you see the letter that they put out says that
the parts are NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. I clearly
understand this to mean what it says and we know that
the condition has been around for at least three
months so isn't it sensible to assume that they
should have at least a FEW cables ready NOW? After
all this IS a SAFETY RECALL as stated on their
UNDATED letter which I got yesterday.

The real complaint here is that they refuse to allow
the owner to take the truck to anyone but THEIR dealer!
They also refuse to tell the owner what to look for on
the existing cables in order to determine if his truck
has the offending parts.

As a prudent owner of a 1999 Mazda B2500 I would like to
have the option of taking this truck to MY repair shop
and have it inspected by MY mechanic to determine if
this truck is safe to drive and I want to do this NOW!

They tell us that defective cables cause the throttle to
stick, right? What if they are mistaken? What if they
are just guessing that the problem is in the cables?
Can't we agree that a sticking throttle can be caused
by many things?

I see nothing in their entire program here except a stab
in the dark as their letter does nothing but cause us to
discontinue using the cruise control which we bought and
paid for. Do they intend, for example, to give us a daily
allowance for everyday we can't use what we paid for?

We don't intend to buy any Ford products until this
matter is handled to a satisfactory conclusion.

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:58:53 -0700
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!

Michael D. Sheridan wrote:
>
> Do they intend, for example, to give us a daily
> allowance for everyday we can't use what we paid for?

ummm... well.. good luck on that.
>
> We don't intend to buy any Ford products until this
> matter is handled to a satisfactory conclusion.

I know how frustrating this kind of thing can be. I bought a new car
several years ago and it had a problem on the way home from the
dealership. It was a Saturday night, the service dept. would not be
open until Monday and I was ready to drive the frigging thing through
the showroom window to return it. After 3 trips back, it was finally
fixed. We never had another problem with that car, but I swear, I never
trusted it again & I have not been back to purchase a vehicle by that
mfg. since.

The worst problem is the utter feeling of helplessness. The feeling is
that you are the only one concerned & the *&%^ $# dealer doesn't give a
rat's ***.

This problem is an inconvenience at worst. You can still use the
vehicle safely. We all know you paid (or will still be paying for a few
years, like me) for a vehicle with cruise control & should by rights be
able to use it.

I wish you good luck in getting it fixed in a reasonable way and in a
reasonable amount of time. In the interrim... WE are not Ford...
(well... except for Tim Turner)... we may offer some advice... but
really, and truly, we are in the same boat you are. We may applaud your
ultimatums, but we aren't the ones to be yelling at.

- --
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:14:10 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RECALL ON CRUISE CONTROL!

> Hi Alan:
>
> As a prudent owner of a 1999 Mazda B2500 I would like to
> have the option of taking this truck to MY repair shop
> and have it inspected by MY mechanic to determine if
> this truck is safe to drive and I want to do this NOW!
>
> They tell us that defective cables cause the throttle to
> stick, right? What if they are mistaken? What if they
> are just guessing that the problem is in the cables?
> Can't we agree that a sticking throttle can be caused
> by many things?
>
>
> Michael

You really should be a lot more patient. Just stop using the cruise control
and give Ford a chance to get the correct cables so everyone will be very
happy with a cable that works. RELAX.

- --
Alan Wilson

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:16:09 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Finally we can put this to rest...

Anthony Rifici wrote:

> > Its absouletly 100% positivly marked for the national speed
> >limit......no lockup no this no that just for speed limit....Not every car
> >locks up at the same speed now do they.......so obviously that can't be the
> >reason........ding
>
> My 94 Ranger 5-Speed has the red mark at 55 and damn near every vehicle
> I have driven with model years between the mid-80s and mid-90s has 55 marked
> in some way (manual or automatic, Fords and non-Fords). As others have
> pointed out, it is on there due to the old national speed limit. That limit
> was lifted recently, only 3 or 4 years ago, so newer cars don't have it.
> Some cars lingered on with 55 marked after it was lifted probably due to the
> vehicle not being re-designed since before it was lifted. It has nothing to
> do with the torque converter. When the torque converter locks up is of no
> concern to 90+% of the driving public, so why would they put forth the
> effort to mark it. Most cars and trucks during that time period didn't even
> have tachometers, temperature, oil pressure, or alternator gauges as
> standard equipment, which would benefit the driver more often than knowing
> when the torque converter locks up.
>
> Tony
> '94 Ranger Supercab, 4.0L, 5-Speed
>
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Alan Wilson - Wilshire Associates, (310) 451-3051 x3750
(310) 260-7350 Direct
(310) 458-2842 FAX


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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:48:37 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Small - P/S Puller

I need to replace the P/S pump on my 91 Explorer,so I need to pull the
pulley.I'm in need of a new puller,and was wondering if anyone had any
suggestions for a compact puller for this application.
BTW I'm quite happy with my Ford products,so don't expect any whiney
posts from me.
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:45:04 -0600
From: Tim Curran
Subject: FTE Small - Timing problem...

That was one thing we looked at but it appeared to be okay, even made
sure the gear was getting even wear, I am however starting to wonder if
the gear that drives the distributor needs to be examined...... one
thought I had last night was could the stator assy on the distributor be
going bad? I'm not very experienced on these newer systems yet, boy a
Ranger with a 351 Windsor would be nice some times........

Tim

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Troy Reifsnider
Subject: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo

You can whine about Ford's crappy service all you want I have barely
ever had a problem with a Ford. I have a Ranger with 141,000 miles on
it. Oil looks like brand new when I change it at 2,000 miles. My dad
has a 1990 Areostar with 90,000 miles and has never had a problem that
wasn't general maitainence. I used to own an Escort with 160,000 and
I beat the crap out of that one! Never any major problems!!!! My boss
has a `92 F150 that has 110,000 miles on it. That truck has had a hard
life. Pulls everything and anything with it (he has a 30' gooseneck
trailer for it). He also owns an Escort with 260,000 miles on it and
it still doesn't use any oil!!!

Need I go on? (If anyone else wants any other stories of Ford power
feel free to E mail me)

As for service I used to work with and know personally two techs that
are very,very good at what they do and they do things right.

So stop whining about Ford, If you don't like it go and buy a Chevy
piece of garbage and see how much money ya sink into that before you
start b# !hin' about that!!!!!!

my 2 cents

===
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Fordmantroy yahoo.com
1992 Ford Ranger reg. cab long box
XLT 4x4 2.9L 5 sp.


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Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:32:11 -0500
From: Buck Shoff
Subject: Re: FTE Small - P/S Puller

My OTC brand puller works very well. It fits nicely between the pump
and radiator on my 4.0 Ranger. On the down side, it was expensive! For
personal use, a cheaper one may work as well. I like my Fords, and I'm
getting tired of all the whining, too. Buck Shoff

"J.S.H." wrote:
>
> I need to replace the P/S pump on my 91 Explorer,so I need to pull the
> pulley.I'm in need of a new puller,and was wondering if anyone had any
> suggestions for a compact puller for this application.
> BTW I'm quite happy with my Ford products,so don't expect any whiney
> posts from me.
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:53:29 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!

my 88 bronco ii (auto) needed a new cover for the carburator (i believe)
because of the thottle sticking... i'll find out for sure this week though.

this may/may not apply to your truck.. what model do you have?

Steve Bozzone
Administrative Director - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://rockzone.com
ICQ: 196843 || AIM: RudeSkam69
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Banevich
To:
Sent: 12/5/99 1:31 AM
Subject: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!


>At the end of last summer I had a problem once where my throttle
>stuck... sprayed some WD40 on it and it worked fine..... then it comes
>around that it's getting warm in the Chicago area... and it's started
>again. The First time I noticed, was when I tried the A/C.... now, when
>the truck has idled for awhile, it sticks like crazy, I've had to shut
>it down, but I can't figure what might be doing this... any Ideas? they
>would be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> Thanks guyz!
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:00:10 -0400
From: "Stephen Bozzone"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo

The bottom line with owner satisfaction is that it varies from case to
case.. sometimes you luck out and get a good product, whereas someone else
will have countless problems with the same product.

A few cases aren't enough.. a good majority does.

Steve Bozzone
Administrative Director - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://rockzone.com
ICQ: 196843 || AIM: RudeSkam69
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Reifsnider
To:
Sent: 11/5/99 8:44 PM
Subject: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo


>You can whine about Ford's crappy service all you want I have barely
>ever had a problem with a Ford. I have a Ranger with 141,000 miles on
>it. Oil looks like brand new when I change it at 2,000 miles. My dad
>has a 1990 Areostar with 90,000 miles and has never had a problem that
>wasn't general maitainence. I used to own an Escort with 160,000 and
>I beat the crap out of that one! Never any major problems!!!! My boss
>has a `92 F150 that has 110,000 miles on it. That truck has had a hard
>life. Pulls everything and anything with it (he has a 30' gooseneck
>trailer for it). He also owns an Escort with 260,000 miles on it and
>it still doesn't use any oil!!!
>
>Need I go on? (If anyone else wants any other stories of Ford power
>feel free to E mail me)
>
>As for service I used to work with and know personally two techs that
>are very,very good at what they do and they do things right.
>
>So stop whining about Ford, If you don't like it go and buy a Chevy
>piece of garbage and see how much money ya sink into that before you
>start b# !hin' about that!!!!!!
>
>my 2 cents
>
>===
>Troy Reifsnider
>Fordmantroy yahoo.com
>1992 Ford Ranger reg. cab long box
>XLT 4x4 2.9L 5 sp.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:10:36 EDT
From: Mtbikr17 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - For all of those complaining about FoMoCo

i totally agree with u with that, cause i have a 88 ford ranger too, and they
take a beatin and keep comming back for more, and rember ford doesnt stand
for "fixed or repaired daily," it means "FIRST ON RACE DAY" FORD THE BEST
NEVER EAST!!!!! AND ALL gm's SUCK!!!!!
i love my ford truck!!!!!
thats my 2 cents
mtbikr17
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:17:46 -0500
From: "Randy Collins"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: 98 ranger questions

Thanks for the tip; I'm assuming you are referring to the front drive
shaft? What was the culpret? Fix?

tia

ran

> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:33:46 -0400
> From: "Eric Davis"
> Subject: Re: FTE Small - 98 ranger questions
>
> Check your drive shaft. I had this problem.
> Eric Davis
> 98 4x4 Ranger,
> Edlebrock muffler, K&N.
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Collins
> To: small-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 9:23 PM
> Subject: FTE Small - 98 ranger questions
>
>
> >Any 98 rangers notice a faint "pop" in the driver's side floorboard when
> >initially taking off? My 98 just turned 10,000 miles and started making
> >this noise. I crawled underneath, but it does not look like there is
> >anyhing there that could cause such a noise. I put a wrench on the cross
> >member and the tranny and transfer case mount bolts; tight. I did notice
my
> >seat was making a little noise around the brackets. A little lube fixed
the
> >problem. Any ideas?
> >
> >Another question concerning torsion bar suspension: I know you can lower
a
> >vehicle via the torsion bars, but could you safely lift a vehicle, say
an
> >inch or so? If not, what's the best way to get a little lift in the
front?
> >
> >The truck is a 98 3.0L auto, Off Road package.
> >
> >A couple months ago I posted I had a rear seal leak after switching to
> >synthetic oil. Turned out to be a bad PCV, says the dealer. Fixed the
leak
> >and changed the PCV valve. By the way, I've been pleased with the
synthetic
> >oil. Next month I am having my local muffler shop build me an exhaust
> >system that will exit out the passenger side, in front of the tire,
> >terminating with some sort of chrome tip. I am also contemplating going
> >with a roll pan in the rear. Not sure if I'm sold on the look though on
the
> >flare sides.
> >
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:40:51 -0500
From: Matthew Banevich
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Throttle Sticking!!!

2.9L EFI. 5-speed...manual hubs& transfer case
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:46:44 -0700
From: "Jason Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Timing problem...

Well you know that putting a 351 Windsor into a Ranger is not really a hard
task and could be completed in a couple of days.

Just thought that I would mention that little tid bit of info :)

Jason Fischer
1995 Ranger Splash
3.0 Liter V-6
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From: Tim Curran
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 2:59 PM
Subject: FTE Small - Timing problem...


>That was one thing we looked at but it appeared to be okay, even made
>sure the gear was getting even wear, I am however starting to wonder if
>the gear that drives the distributor needs to be examined...... one
>thought I had last night was could the stator assy on the distributor be
>going bad? I'm not very experienced on these newer systems yet, boy a
>Ranger with a 351 Windsor would be nice some times........
>
> Tim
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:20:39 -0700
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

Ding wrote ------------------------------------------------------

Its absouletly 100% positivly marked for the national speed
limit......no lockup no this no that just for speed limit....Not every
car
locks up at the same speed now do they.......so obviously that can't be
the
reason........ding

Well, let's see:
1. My Aerostar is a '92. I believe that the National Speed Limit was
abandoned before that.
2. Ford completely redesigned the Aerostar dashboard (and a few other
things) for '92. Thus, it would seem that if the National Speed Limit
had been dropped before '92, they'd have dropped it from the dashboard
by then.
3. Yup. All cars wouldn't lock up at the same speed, but all Aerostars
would: they always used the same automatic transmission, and in all
models. So, what I come up with is that that's where the overdrive
kicks in, which it does in my vehicle as sure as taxes.

Richard

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:36:43 +0200
From: "Ucen, Thomas"
Subject: AW: FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer

My Aerostar is a '93. It has the red mark at 55. The overdrive kicks in =
much
earlier though, depending on the acceleration, between 40 and 50 mph. =
Only
when accelerating real hard, it kicks in later. At 40 mph the rpm is =
between
1700 and 1800. When accelerating just slightly at this point, the
transmission sometimes starts kicking badly trying to determine whether =
to
upshift or not. Therefore I always took the red mark for a general
speedlimit hint. German cars have such markings at 50 km/h and =
sometimes
also at 30 km/h although no one really drives at such speeds.

Tom
Munich, Germany
1993 Aerostar Ext. 3.0L

> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:rgstein pacbell.net [SMTP:rgstein pacbell.net]
> Gesendet am:Mittwoch, 12. Mai 1999 09:21
> An:small-list ford-trucks.com
> Betreff:FTE Small - That red mark on the speedometer
>=20
> Ding wrote ------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> Its absouletly 100% positivly marked for the national speed=20
> limit......no lockup no this no that just for speed limit....Not =
every
> car=20
> locks up at the same speed now do they.......so obviously that can't =....


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