small-list-digest Monday, May 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 112



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?
FTE Small - Door cracks
Re: FTE Small - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?
FTE Small - Re: borla exhaust...
FTE Small - Re: Borla exhaust, yatta yatta
Re: FTE Small - Borla exhaust system (technical mumble-jumble)
Re: FTE Small - Re:Borla exhaust....
FTE Small - Re: changing screen names
FTE Small - Timing problem...

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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 09:10:50 -0500
From: Mike Fisher
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

Yeah, right. Some drone working at a muffler shop is going to be able to
design a better exhaust than people who have years of experience using
empirical measurements and computer aided design. I don't think so.

Mike Fisher
1997 AWD Mountaineer Borla/K&N/PIAA/BFG AT

Ding060297 aol.com wrote:
>
> The system i just installed is nice its got a slightly louder rumble
> at idle and only gets loud between 1800 and 2300 rpm;s after that it pretty
> much goes away i hear the induction from the air cleaner over it -go figure-
> But instead of wasting $500-600 bucks on a borla or flowmaster which by the
> way don't flow very well at all they just get loud, try and find a exhaust
> shop, they can build you one for a quater of that my 3" exhaust and 3"dynomax
> muffler only ran me $265.00 installed and out the door.......ding
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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 10:03:07 -0700
From: rgstein pacbell.net
Subject: FTE Small - Door cracks

Alan wrote ------------------------------------------------------
It's amazing to me that they can make something like a power
window which won't last the life of the vehicle.

Mine chatter coming down (yes, it was sorta fixed by the dealer)
simply because there is a loose connection between the drive
mechanism and the window. It's apparently designed that way for
some mysterious reason, but it's really, dare I say it, 'STUPID'.

My reply --------------------------------------------------------

Yup. I dare say it too: Ford's attitude toward their customers is
indeed embodied in stupid engineering. Dare I say, "Contemptuous?"

Frankly, I initially found the failures and poor design in my Aerostar
shocking. Puzzling when I consider that the company damages their
long-term reputation by selling expensive-to-maintain products. I
almost thought of running to the junkyard and trying to buy back my old
Toyota Corona. If I were to list all the stupid design flaws and cheap
junky parts on my Aerostar, I'd be writing all day, and many of you
would be sick of reading it.

Perhaps the Ranger is a tougher vehicle, but yeah, when I look at a
Ranger, I see the same worthless, wildly-expensive-to-fix plastic
"bumpers" staring at me. This is a truck?

When the company respects me enough to spend the lousy buck that it
would have cost them to put drain plugs on the torque converter and
transmission pan, I may consider buying another Ford. But the burden of
proof is on their shoulders, not mine. They have to prove to me that
they have designed their vehicle so that components can be replaced
without enormous difficulty and expense caused by obstructed access.

How many $2,000 repair bills have had to be absorbed by their customers
becuase of this stinginess? But I'm not counting on it from a company
that, I'm afraid, may still maintain too much of the mindset that
brought us the exploding Pintos.

Richard

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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:45:39 -0500
From: Jordan
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

At 10:24 PM 5/6/99 EDT, you wrote:
>The system i just installed is nice its got a slightly louder rumble
>at idle and only gets loud between 1800 and 2300 rpm;s after that it pretty
>much goes away i hear the induction from the air cleaner over it -go
figure-
>But instead of wasting $500-600 bucks on a borla or flowmaster which by the
>way don't flow very well at all they just get loud, try and find a exhaust
Not true, you ever seen a Borla muffler in person, they are straight
through mufflers. And, the Borla has a lifetime warranty, I can't even
remember how many people I've heard complain aobut dynomax's rusting out on
them (hehe and my Borla system for my explorer was only 250 shipping
included :)

>shop, they can build you one for a quater of that my 3" exhaust and
3"dynomax
>muffler only ran me $265.00 installed and out the door.......ding
Although I must say, taking it to a shop was my next option.
Jordan
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:53:35 PDT
From: "Joe Mitchell"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: borla exhaust...

>From: DJ250r aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re:Borla exhaust....
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>is this for the 2.3 ? and how much power gain is it ? i plan on going up to
>biger tires and a kick a susp.

Well, I have to assume this was in response to my e-mail...but since you did
not quote, I can't be sure... Anyways, the Flowmaster system I had was not
for my Ranger, its for my project truck. On my Ranger, I just have a
performance muffler a friend gave me after he upgraded to Borla. So i dont
know how much power gain a Flow or Borla will give a 2.3...
Joe


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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:58:51 PDT
From: "Joe Mitchell"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Borla exhaust, yatta yatta

>From: Ding060297 aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE Small - Borla exhaust system

>But instead of wasting $500-600 bucks on a borla or flowmaster which > by
>the way don't flow very well at all they just get loud, try and > > find a
>exhaust shop, they can build you one for a quater of that my > 3" exhaust
>and 3" dynomax muffler only ran me $265.00 installed and > out the
>door.......ding

I meant to ask you, did you get a single muffler system or dual? My friend
just got a 3" Dynomax on his 3.0, and got new pipe and single tip for around
130 or 140, installed. I think his muffler was around 90 or so and the rest
was for the tip and new pipe. 265 is a bit steep, unless you got two
mufflers, as he only got one.
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:46:12 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Borla exhaust system (technical mumble-jumble)

I meant flowmaster doesn't flow well, they have just done tests on
all major brands and installed them and did the dyno testing and flow master
were on the bottom of the list loud but don't flow well at all........borla
did well so did dynomas
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:49:03 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re:Borla exhaust....

Flowmasters rated the worst on the performance exhaust testing point.....As
for $500 thats what they cost for some applications mine was for a 1996 ford
explorer with the 5.0 and it sold for $544.00 plus shipping and handling not
to mention installation so yes $500-600 bucks
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:52:52 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - Re: changing screen names

I need to change my screen name due to i'm getting an unbeliveable
amount of crap in the mail so how do i swap this over to my other screen
name..I don't want to loose the ford list....any info is appreciated.....ding
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:22:57 -0600
From: Tim Curran
Subject: FTE Small - Timing problem...

In November I rebuilt a fuel injected 2.3 OHC in a '88 Ranger XLT,
during the R&R the PCV valve was overlooked and wasn't replaced as it
should have been, as a result the intake was misted with oil over the
following months. About three weeks ago I was driving the truck through
some fairly deep mud holes when I gradually lost a great deal of power.
The engine was incredibly sluggish in the low end but would over come
that once it was up around 3000 RPM. My first thoughts was that there
was something either restricting the intake or creating too much back
pressure, so the next day I pulled the intake, this is when I discovered
the PCV valve situation. Thinking that I had just discovered the problem
I removed the entire intake system, cleaned it, and replaced the valve.
Upon start up the sluggish response was still happening, only now the
engine was starting to run allot hotter then normal. Next idea was that
there was too much back pressure from the catalytic converter, hitting a
hard mud hole may have knocked a baffle loose and could be restricting
flow. Since the converter was the original factory installed, I decided
it was time for a replacement anyway. The shop that replaced it informed
me that it was pretty broken up inside and that there were some loose
baffles, in the end I ended up with a new converter and muffler which
was under warranty, however this still didn't fix the problem. The next
day I gave up and took the truck to the local Ford dealer from which it
was purchased, they checked the timing and found that it had jumped 20
degrees, so they set the timing and charged me $10.50 and I was on my
merry way.... until two days later when it started acting up again. So I
took it back and they checked it out and the timing had moved again.
They hooked the computer up and didn't come back with any error codes,
pulled the distributor and checked the gear (it was fine), pulled the
front cover and checked the timing gears and belt (they were all fine),
so they set the timing again and gave me a bill for $40.43 and once
again it ran fine for a few days and now it's acting up........

Any ideas how the timing could be slipping? I was told that the computer
can change the timing to some degree since it is fuel injected but I
can't think of why it would........

Any ideas are welcome!
Thanks,
Tim

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