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In this issue:

FTE Small - New Sport Trac Explorer
Re: FTE Small - Speakers, etc.
Re: FTE Small - Car music
Re: FTE Small - Car music
Re: FTE Small - Car music
FTE Small - Heator Core
Re: FTE Small - Car music
Re: FTE Small - Car music
RE: FTE Small - Car music
RE: FTE Small - Car music
Re: FTE Small - Car music
Re: FTE Small - Car music

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:33:22 -0500
From: "Jim Bielecki"
Subject: FTE Small - New Sport Trac Explorer

Take a look at this URL for a look at the newest Explorer to be introduced
early next year:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.detnews.com/1999/autoshow/index.htm

Basically this is an Explorer with a short pickup box added on.

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:22:35 EST
From: FrdRngrLvr AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Speakers, etc.

Yeah but there is nothing wrong with a nice low hitting, back sahking system,
aslong as it is not played obnixiously. For instance my system never gets
turned up after 9pm so nobody has to hear/feel me go by when they are trying
to sleep..

BTW subs do add to the music

well my thought anyway

Jim
96 Styleside

Apline Head unit (35x4)
Boston Acsouic 6x8's
2 Rockford Fosgate 10's
V12 Alpine amp (300W)
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:03:02 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Car music

I'd like to add a couple of thoughts on this thread regarding car
stereos.

CD vs. tape. I have been wanting to put a CD player in my Ranger to
either replace the factory cassette with an aftermarket or maybe rigging
up a changer, since my unit has controls for one. Anyway, I have
decided against an in-dash CD only unit for this reason, Books on Tape.
I did some heavy driving over the holidays and picked up a couple of
audio books for the last long leg back home, it seemed rare to find a
choice of CD over tape for most titles at the Barnes and Nobles I went
to. Something to keep in mind, since listening to books definitely made
the drive go by much quicker.

Second, I have the factory offered Premium Sound, which has an
standalone amp on mine (a '97 Supercab) under the passenger's side rear
flip out window. It is not a megawatt Alpine, but it seems to be clean
enough. I replaced the front door speakers with Polks 2-ways and have
yet to replace the rears. I bump the fade a couple of ticks towards a
front bias. I have to say for a relatively cheap $100 upgrade, the
sound was signifigantly improved. I felt that the stock set-up lacked
high end clarity and no real imaging, which was solved with the Polks.
It will never substitute for my home set-up, but the ambient noise level
on the highway in the cab of a Ranger with Borla is such that you can
never feel that you are in your living room anyway. But even on the
"Premium" Sound, the stock speakers (they weren't coaxial as advertised,
BTW) are generally junk and just putting a reasonably good set will make
your stereo sound tons better.

My $.02,
Dave
Denver, CO
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 07:58:53 -0800
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Car music

Dave Armbruster wrote:
> I did some heavy driving over the holidays and picked up a couple of
> audio books for the last long leg back home, it seemed rare to find a
> choice of CD over tape for most titles at the Barnes and Nobles I went
> to. Something to keep in mind, since listening to books definitely made
> the drive go by much quicker.

I second that opinion. I also take some loooonnnggg trips & books on
tape are definitely the way to go.... in between the music.
- --
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:58:25 -0500
From: Scotty Dixon MDX
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Car music

I have a 97 Supercab Ranger with a CD (aftermarket) and 3 amps 1 crossover 4-12" Kicker ,1-10" Kicker and I have only put bass blocks on the four factory speakers with some tweeters and it sounds
pretty good I have a switch mounted under the CD player face plate as a "kill switch for the 4 -12's so that I can have a almost factory sounding system for the times the big bass is not called for.
Thanks
Scotty
97 Ranger.

>>> Dave Armbruster 01/05 10:03 AM >>>
I'd like to add a couple of thoughts on this thread regarding car
stereos.

CD vs. tape. I have been wanting to put a CD player in my Ranger to
either replace the factory cassette with an aftermarket or maybe rigging
up a changer, since my unit has controls for one. Anyway, I have
decided against an in-dash CD only unit for this reason, Books on Tape.
I did some heavy driving over the holidays and picked up a couple of
audio books for the last long leg back home, it seemed rare to find a
choice of CD over tape for most titles at the Barnes and Nobles I went
to. Something to keep in mind, since listening to books definitely made
the drive go by much quicker.

Second, I have the factory offered Premium Sound, which has an
standalone amp on mine (a '97 Supercab) under the passenger's side rear
flip out window. It is not a megawatt Alpine, but it seems to be clean
enough. I replaced the front door speakers with Polks 2-ways and have
yet to replace the rears. I bump the fade a couple of ticks towards a
front bias. I have to say for a relatively cheap $100 upgrade, the
sound was signifigantly improved. I felt that the stock set-up lacked
high end clarity and no real imaging, which was solved with the Polks.
It will never substitute for my home set-up, but the ambient noise level
on the highway in the cab of a Ranger with Borla is such that you can
never feel that you are in your living room anyway. But even on the
"Premium" Sound, the stock speakers (they weren't coaxial as advertised,
BTW) are generally junk and just putting a reasonably good set will make
your stereo sound tons better.

My $.02,
Dave
Denver, CO
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:26:24 -0500
From: ALFRED BROWN
Subject: FTE Small - Heator Core

Good Afternoon,

Hope everyone has a prosperous New Year. I have a 1992 Aerostar and
would like to know how much to replace a Heater Core.

Thanks in Advance
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:58:32 -0500
From: "Eric Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Car music

Eric Davis
- -----Original Message-----
From: Scotty Dixon MDX
To: small-list ford-trucks.com ;
darmbruster pai-colo.com
Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Car music


>I have a 97 Supercab Ranger with a CD (aftermarket) and 3 amps 1 crossover
4-12" Kicker ,1-10" Kicker and I have only put bass blocks on the four
factory speakers with some tweeters and it sounds
>pretty good I have a switch mounted under the CD player face plate as a
"kill switch for the 4 -12's so that I can have a almost factory sounding
system for the times the big bass is not called for.
>Thanks
>Scotty
>97 Ranger.
>
Do you have pictures of your set up. I would love to see it.

Eric Davis
98 4x4, Edelbrock muffler.


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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:02:44 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Car music

"Robert Craven Jr (nospam)" wrote:
>

> But the difference in frequency response and THD of a good set of
> speakers is easily heard vs. a poor set of speakers.

Similar to the difference between a CD and a cassette.. ;-)

> My reasoning is that
> in a car, the background noise is higher than the tape hiss and
> eliminates the main advantage of CD's over cassettes.

I'd argue here.. I finally went from 8-track to cassette circa 1979 and
finally to CD in mid '97 and I can tell a marked difference in the same
songs between FM/Cass/CD. The 'hiss' is arguably eliminated by the
background noise (esp. hi-bias tapes), but the CD has so much better S/N
ratio and dynamic range that it's the choice for most. Try a simple
test before you buy anything; get your favorite album on CD, cassette
and recorded cassette from your CD on your equipment.. Listen to each
in similar vehicles at road speed and let your ear be the judge.

> Also mostly I
> play a whole cassette all of the way through on trips and do not need to
> skip around tracks. When I'm driving I feel I should pay attention to
> the road and not be messing with the programming on a CD.

I do too.. I play it from 1 to end.. but it's a LOT easier to skip a
song on a CD than a cassette even if it has 'song search' I hit a
button once or twice and I'm there almost instantly and if I know the
track number it's push the button 'x' number of times or once/twice
depending on the reciever

>
> A further argument in favor of cassettes in a car is that I can purchase
> a CD, dub it to a tape for the car and if the tape is damaged (hot sun)
> or stolen I can replace it easily.

It all depends on your demands for clarity I guess.. For what you
describe I'd suggest a cassette palyer WITH a remote CD changer.

>
> I have never had a CD player in a car and there may be advantages that I
> am not thinking about.

Try the above mentioned test.. find a couple friends that have STOCK
radios with cassette and CD and make your decisions from there. Be
aware that CD's will skip easier than cass's if you venture off-road but
the good ones arent too objectionable. (My XYL usually complains before
the CD skips).

>
> What do you think?
>
> Bobby Craven
> Denton, NC

That's mine.. I look forward to seeing the other responses and your
final decision :-)

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Wilmington NC

PS: Denton? Where's that in relation to Wilmington or Raleigh? If
it's close let me know when you come to the area.

TT
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:24:52 -0500
From: Burnett
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Car music

Dave Armbruster wrote:

> decided against an in-dash CD only unit for this reason, Books on Tape.

Books on Tape are the only regret I have about switching from tape to CD.
Fortunately, I don't drive for a living any more or this problem would
require a fix.
>
> Second, I have the factory offered Premium Sound, which has an
> standalone amp on mine (a '97 Supercab) under the passenger's side rear
> flip out window. It is not a megawatt Alpine, but it seems to be clean

Ford's Premium Sound option provides a pretty decent foundation for a good
system. As you mention, the speakers leave room for improvement, but this
is true with many car systems and almost all factory systems. I'm not sure
what it would cost, but if you have CD controls on your factory front end
and you want CD, you can still add the Ford CD Changer pretty easily. The
changer might cost a little more than other after-market units, but a lot
less than an after-market changer PLUS a compatible front end.

Just a thought!!

Burnett

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:04:11 -0500
From: Burnett
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Car music

Tim Turner wrote:

> > Bobby Craven wrote:
> > My reasoning is that
> > in a car, the background noise is higher than the tape hiss and
> > eliminates the main advantage of CD's over cassettes.
>
> I'd argue here.. The 'hiss' is arguably eliminated by the
> background noise (esp. hi-bias tapes), but the CD has so much better S/N
> ratio and dynamic range that it's the choice for most.

I've had many occasions, when cranking a favorite song while travelling
down a lonely highway late at night, where the hiss was clearly audible on
my tape system even with Dolby-C. With my CD system, starting the engine
provides enough background noise to drown out the background hiss even at
the highest volumes.

> Try the above mentioned test.. find a couple friends that have STOCK
> radios with cassette and CD and make your decisions from there.

Excellent suggestion!! Using stock systems helps to level the playing field
in listening to tape and CD. On second thought, it might still be difficult
to account for acoustic differences in two different vehicles. The ideal
might be to find one friend with a factory tape/CD system to listen to. A
friend's '98 Ranger Supercab has this setup.

Have fun!!
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:05:15 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Car music

My solution is a little bit low tech. I plug a CD adapter into my
cassette deck when I want to listen to a CD using a portable player.
I suppose when my collection becomes more CD oriented, I'll put a CD
player in. Til then, I have the best of both worlds (for a person
without much ability to discriminate in musical sounds).

Tim Bowman
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:30:35 -0500
From: "Bob Leifer"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Car music

Burnett,

With the latest craze of CD burners that everybody seems to be buying and
installing in their PC's, (including me),
copying an audio cassette to a 74 minute CD is really a piece of cake. If
Books on Tape don't also make Books on CD's available, then people will be
making them themselves. If a person already bought the cassette and has the
CD burner, then it only takes the Blank CD to make it. Blanks cost as low as
FREE! right now with all the rebates going on. Sorry to be somewhat off
topic for this list, but I thought it appropriate to this message thread.
I am not suggesting illegal copies by any means, just saying that a person
could make a backup copy on different media for his own use.

Bob

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Burnett
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Car music


>
>
>Dave Armbruster wrote:
>
>> decided against an in-dash CD only unit for this reason, Books on Tape.
>
>Books on Tape are the only regret I have about switching from tape to CD.
>Fortunately, I don't drive for a living any more or this problem would
>require a fix.
>>
>> Second, I have the factory offered Premium Sound, which has an
>> standalone amp on mine (a '97 Supercab) under the passenger's side rear
>> flip out window. It is not a megawatt Alpine, but it seems to be clean
>
>Ford's Premium Sound option provides a pretty decent foundation for a good
>system. As you mention, the speakers leave room for improvement, but this
>is true with many car systems and almost all factory systems. I'm not sure
>what it would cost, but if you have CD controls on your factory front end
>and you want CD, you can still add the Ford CD Changer pretty easily. The
>changer might cost a little more than other after-market units, but a lot....


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