small-list-digest Sunday, December 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 345



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In this issue:

FTE Small - Whinning noise coming from engine..
FTE Small - Fluctuating temp indicator...
FTE Small - Door chime
FTE Small - ADMIN: Chat addition
FTE Small - "Check Engine" Light on 89 2.3L Ranger XLT
Re: FTE Small - Fluctuating temp indicator...
Re: FTE Small - "Check Engine" Light on 89 2.3L Ranger XLT
FTE Small - instrument panel

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:29:21 PST
From: "Michael Krause"
Subject: FTE Small - Whinning noise coming from engine..

I've heard a lot of talk about the "blowing" noise coming from Matt's
Explorer and I've had a similiar problem. I own a '91 Explorer XLT and
there is a high pitch whinning noise when I start it and run it till it
warms up. Is this normal for the 4.0L engine or is it a leak in the
vacuum hoses like Tim says???
Mike Krause
sharktooth_76 hotmail.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:23:13 EST
From: Pol586 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Small - Fluctuating temp indicator...

I have a question I'd like to pose you all in Ford Truck land regarding an '89
Ford Bronco II's (2.9L V6) temp indicator. I notice that after my engine is
warmed up, the temp indicator will swing to the "M" or "A" in the word
"NORMAL" on the gauge to about the left of the "N". The needle will continue
to fluctuate, especially on trips in cold weather (sometimes in warm weather
as well). Does anyone know what could be going on? I had the water pump,
thermostat, and cooling fan replaced/repaired in early '98, so I'm suspecting
it may be a thermostat quirk or a maybe even a cooling fan clutch quirk. Can
anybody give me any other ideas?

Thanks!
Joe Palaganas
1989 Ford Bronco II
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 20:33:48 UT
From: "Mark Biederbeck"
Subject: FTE Small - Door chime

I'm suprized that no one caught my "tip" when I mailed it in about 4 weeks
ago. There were other questions on top, maybe people only read the first few
lines? Anyway...

To defeat the door open/key in chime on a Ford product, remove the cover to
the steering column so you get access to the ignition switch. Remove the wire
to the switch that is on a separate circuit. This worked for a 91 Ranger and
89 and 93 Aerostars. I recently removed the cover on a 99 Superduty which had
the wire but was hard to remove. My budy didn't want me to cut it since it
was so new, seems like I remember merely disconnecting the circuit on my
vehicles so it could be reconnected. Anyway, this leaves all of the other
circuits functional.

I sure HATED that chime!

Mark Biederbeck

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:59:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Chat addition

Telnet chatting has been added in addition to Java chat. It
works well. I don't know if it works with AOL because I
don't have AOL to test with. Let me know if you have AOL
and it doesn't work. The new chat server is pretty bullet
proof. It's been running for a week without a problem and
is still using only between 300-400k of memory and .002%
CPU resources. The Telnet chat link is on the chat page.
In addition to AOL users, anyone with older browsers,
browsers without Java and some Macintosh browsers should
now be able to chat via Telnet. For the curious, Telnet
is a terminal interface for the Internet (what we used before
browsers came along). Most computers have a Telnet client
on them, just click our Telnet link and it should launch.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:37:52 EST
From: Ardy2 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Small - "Check Engine" Light on 89 2.3L Ranger XLT

My 89 Ranger has about 83,000 miles on it. I have never had any mechanical
problems with it and have owned it since it was new. For the 1st time, ever,
the "Check Engine" light came on today. I had been driving on the highway
about 20 min. from a cold start. The light flickered off and on for about 5
minutes. My initial reaction was that there might have been an electrical
short causing the problem. All of the dash gauges (oil pressure, battery,
engine temp.) were in the normal range as usual. I checked to oil dipstick
after getting home 10 min after the event and it was OK which I expected.
Last week I took my truck in to have the oil changed and antifreeze changed.
I wonder if they could have knocked some of the engine sensors loose or
something?

What kinds of engine conditions might cause this light to come on? Should I
take the truck into a Ford Repair center to have it looked into?

Thanks!
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:51:44 -0600
From: Buck Shoff
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Fluctuating temp indicator...

Pol586 AOL.COM wrote:

> I have a question I'd like to pose you all in Ford Truck land regarding an '89
> Ford Bronco II's (2.9L V6) temp indicator. I notice that after my engine is
> warmed up, the temp indicator will swing to the "M" or "A" in the word
> "NORMAL" on the gauge to about the left of the "N". The needle will continue
> to fluctuate, especially on trips in cold weather (sometimes in warm weather
> as well). Does anyone know what could be going on? I had the water pump,
> thermostat, and cooling fan replaced/repaired in early '98, so I'm suspecting
> it may be a thermostat quirk or a maybe even a cooling fan clutch quirk. Can
> anybody give me any other ideas?
>
> Thanks!
> Joe Palaganas
> 1989 Ford Bronco I

Hi Joe,
I had an 89 Ranger 2.9 do the same thing. It seemed to me that the thermostat
would not let the cooling system stabilize. The thermostat would stay closed
while the coolant got hotter and hotter, then it would open and let a radiator
full of cool water go into the engine. This cool water would then close the
thermostat and cause the temp gauge go down. This cycle would repeat itself over
and over. I controlled mine by going to the top line of Robert Shaw thermostat.
These worked alot better than the Motorcraft or Gates that I tried. Blocking off
part of the radiator to keep internal temps up should help, too, but I never tried
that. As an experiment, I did drill a 1/8" hole in a thermostat in an attempt to
make a small bypass. That did stabilize the system, no more flucuating needle,
but it took 30 miles to bring it up to operating temperature. Another good idea
that didn't work. These are just my own observations, if you find a better fix,
I'd like to know. Good luck. Buck Shoff

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:55:40 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "Check Engine" Light on 89 2.3L Ranger XLT

Ardy2 AOL.COM wrote:
>

> For the 1st time, ever,
> the "Check Engine" light came on today.

I've often wondered why they worded it that way when it actually means
"Check Computer Sysytem".. GM started it then later changed to 'Service
Engine Soon'; better, but still doesnt convey the proper message IMO.

> What kinds of engine conditions might cause this light to come on?

Any condition that the computer recognises as impossible or highly
unlikely, a sensor that isnt responding properly etc. As an example
after your 20 minute drive if the computer saw a -40F coolant reading
coming from the coolant temp. sensor it would turn on the light until it
saw a more 'realistic' reading like +190F. When the light comes on
there is supposed to be a 'code' related to the fault stored in the
computer's memory to aid in diagnosing the problem; doesnt ALWAYS work
as advertised but usually.

> Should I take the truck into a Ford Repair center to have it looked into?

That depends on your DIY skills :-) There are sites on the web that
will tell you how to extract the trouble code(s) from your computer and
you can diagnose/post from there. My first guess would be the Oxygen
sensor, but if the fuel filter hasnt been changed yet it could be
restricted enough to cause a 'lean' Oxy. sensor code with the sensor
being fine. (BTW.. doesnt HAVE to be a Ford dealer; there's a bunch of
good Tech's out there that prefer to NOT work under the time pressures
that flat rate pay causes during diagnostic work, but good luck finding
one! )

> Last week I took my truck in to have the oil changed and antifreeze changed.
> I wonder if they could have knocked some of the engine sensors loose or
> something?

On the 4 cyl. everything involved in those services is fairly accessible
so I doubt it, but it certainly wouldnt hurt to have 'em double check!
If the place you went to does any diagnostic work they (hopefully) would
check the codes and verify that all connections were secure if you went
back; try to at least have that done free, if it's deeper and/or they
want to charge you more $$ then ask 'em what codes they got and post
back with the results!

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
manic1 bellsouth.net
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:00:34 PST
From: "Joe Mitchell"
Subject: FTE Small - instrument panel

Hi,
I have a question about the instrument panel (not sure if thats the
name, the display with the speedometer, tachometer, gas, oil pressure,
etc.) on pretty much anything. A copule of weeks ago, my speedometer
started to move forward quite a bit for no reason while i was drivng,
and at a steady pace. Then, today my oil pressure gauge dropped, went
back to normal, and dropped, and went back. What would make the whole
panel go faulty at once? Any help appreciated, as I have NO idea :)

Joe (not even claiming to be a mechanic)

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