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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.
Re: FTE Small - Weighing Down my Truck
FTE Small - ADMIN: A note on language
Re: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.
FTE Small - 95 Ranger wants to die in 1st and 2nd gear (more)
FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.
Re: FTE Small - 95 Ranger wants to die in 1st and 2nd gear (more)
Re: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.
FTE Small - Serpentine belt
Re: FTE Small - Speakers
Re: FTE Small - Re: adjusting for tire sizes..
FTE Small - Re: Speakers
Re: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.
Re: FTE Small - 95 Ranger wants to die in 1st and 2nd gear (more)
FTE Small - Excess engine noise in '98 2.5L Ranger

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:31:30 EST
From: Bakend AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.

In a message dated 12/2/98 7:27:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, don neomagic.com
writes:

> What kind of tools are needed for transmission work?
> What parts would normally be replaced just on principle,
> and how would I identify any unexpected damage or wear?
> Barring abnormal damage, about how much should I expect
> to spend on parts?
>
You can do it but I question the value. I "rebuilt" mine with all new bearings
(not an easy task even with most of the neccesary tools) only to have it fail
on vacation. I had spent 350.00 on parts and thought I had it made. WRONG! I
did find a rebuilt for $800 in Rapid City South Dakota. Wish I had gone that
route to begin with. The guy that did the rebuild said that it is mandatory to
replace the shaft and gears as well as the bearings due to the heat (extreme)
that develops as the tranny is failing. The metal crystalizes and soon will
break apart. I proved it I guess.
D Baken
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:42:51 EST
From: Bakend AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Weighing Down my Truck

In a message dated 12/2/98 10:09:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, carz zianet.com
writes:

> I have a '97 Ranger XLT, standard cab. In January, I am
> planning to go to Denver, CO. Anyone have ideas of how I
> should weigh my truck down? I know it'll be snowing, the
> roads will be slick.
>
No snow here yet but probably will be some by then. I run around here without
any extra weight and just take it EASY when it is slick. Now if you are
heading up into the mountains that could be a little different story. I have a
87 Ranger xt cab with 4 wheel drive but hardly ever have to lock it in. Hope
this helps
D Baken
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:04:57 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: A note on language

This email is not targeted at any individual, rather it
is presented to all list members as a friendly reminder.

Over the past several days, there have been postings on
some of the groups containing inappropriate language.
While my language in my personal life isn't always as
clean as it should be, I maintain (and so does Keith Srb,
admin of several of the lists) a standard on the lists
so that they'll be appropriate for all audiences.

I want to remind everyone that we have people from all
walks of life and all age groups on our lists. Ford
Truck Enthusiasts does not censor content nor moderate
message activity. However, because we are a forum
available to the public, we do have filters in place to
reject emails containing certain words.

Getting around these filters with ***, --- and other
such characters defeats the purpose of the filters.
While saying "I made an *ss of myself" is appropriate,
using the "s" and "f" words is not. Although the TV
networks don't have the highest standards, they do
maintain some standards. So the rule of thumb is if
they don't say it on afternoon TV (ie, when the kids
are watching), then it doesn't belong on FTE.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:32:34 -0500
From: "Bill"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.

I just had to replace my tranny in my 93 Splash.
I found a rebuilt tranny at a auto salvage yard. There are two salvage
yards in town, and they both had a rebuild for sale. I guess they rebuild
them themselves.
Anyway, $850 bucks, with a 30 day warrantee.

I live in Florida, if you want e-mail me and I'll make some calls for you.

Bill
kiteflyer earthlink.net



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Paauw
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 9:29 PM
Subject: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.


>
>I have an 88 Ranger 4x4 extended cab with a 5 speed manual
>transmission ( code "D", Mitsubishi) that I'm told has a
>bad input shaft bearing. A local shop quoted $1650 to rebuild
>it and an auto store quoted $1357 + $330 core charge for
>a rebuilt one. Both of these prices seem pretty steep, so
>I asked the local Ford parts dept. if there's such a thing
>as a manual transmission rebuild kit. They said no, just open
>it up and use your own judgement on what needs replacing.
>
>The truck has 120k miles on it & I just had a rebuilt 2.9L
>engine and clutch put in at 116k miles. (I was on the original
>clutch; do they normally last 116k miles?).
>Otherwise I'd consider swapping in a 302 with another transmission.
>I've also just replaced all the u-joints & had the driveshaft balanced.
>
>So my questions are:
>What kind of tools are needed for transmission work?
>What parts would normally be replaced just on principle,
>and how would I identify any unexpected damage or wear?
>Barring abnormal damage, about how much should I expect
>to spend on parts?
>Is my dealer the best source for parts or is a local auto
>store just as good? (Or maybe a mail-order company?)
>Is any special expertise required or is it fairly straigh-
>forward? (I rebuilt a Mop** engine in the past, with a friend's
>help).
>Can anyone recommend any good books on the subject? I have
>all of the Ford manuals for the truck.
>Are there any questions I've missed?
>
>Also, if I do this, how much more mileage could I put on this
>drivetrain? (I'm still yearning for that 302 & this tranny
>would have to go).
>
>My only transmission experience was about 20 years ago when a
>friend helped me change the clutch on a '62 Ch**y truck. When
>removing the tranny, he took the front & had me lower the rear.
>He thought it was really funny when the oil ran out on my chest.
>Oh well; it was his garage & his tools and the lesson has kept
>my garage floor free of oil stains ever since.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>-- Don
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:43:06 -0600 (EST)
From: Robert Fox
Subject: FTE Small - 95 Ranger wants to die in 1st and 2nd gear (more)

Okay guys, I think I might have a major problem on my truck. My truck
wants to die at random when I go through first or second gear. This
happens when I throw it in gear and while accelerating (in the 4K RPM
range) It happens so fast that its hard to tell what it is. It stutters
like my rear end just broke but I know its not the rear it. It least it
doesn't seem like the rear end. I cant hear it howling or any strange
vibrations. Also each time it stutters my check engine like will flash on
and off. The motor itself seems like its running just fine. I cant figure
it out.

Any ideas? Fuel pump? Clutch? Tranny?

Robert Fox
95 SuperCab 2.3L 5spd 98.9K miles
fox ford ranger. com
www.ford ranger. com


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:20:16 -0500
From: "Summers, Burnett (OCD-PO1)"
Subject: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.

FYI - Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jasperengines.com/transmis.htm for some good
ideas on what Jasper (who some say is the best at rebuilds - translation
$$$!!) does on a rebuild.

Also, I got 112k miles out of my clutch before it was replaced. I would have
gotten more, but I had a problem that required pulling the trans.

Regards,

Burnett 89 BII
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:25:13 -0600
From: "William T. Gunn Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 95 Ranger wants to die in 1st and 2nd gear (more)

>Okay guys, I think I might have a major problem on my truck. My truck
>wants to die at random when I go through first or second gear. This
>happens when I throw it in gear and while accelerating (in the 4K RPM
>range) It happens so fast that its hard to tell what it is. It stutters
>like my rear end just broke but I know its not the rear it. It least it
>doesn't seem like the rear end. I cant hear it howling or any strange
>vibrations. Also each time it stutters my check engine like will flash on
>and off. The motor itself seems like its running just fine. I cant figure
>it out.
>
>Any ideas? Fuel pump? Clutch? Tranny?
>
>Robert Fox

Robert, mine did that when I first got it, clogged fuel filter. There was
some kind of trash in the fuel tank that got sucked into the lines, looked
like rust, but was greasy.


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:57:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Ryan Long
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.

On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 PRODRVR11 AOL.COM wrote:

> Prices sound about right. A unit before rebuild will cost $1000-1300 from a
> wrecking yard if you can find it, and that is a big if. Units I have gotten
> have all come from at least two states away. I have never rebuilt one myself

With all this talk of Ranger tranny cost, I thought I would throw in that
I have the original 5 speed tranny (I forget if its the Mazda or the
Mitzu, whichever one came with the 2.0L carbed engine) from my 88 Ranger
2WD. I pulled it to put in a 289/ C4 combo (not done BTW). But I am in
Indiana, and if anyone needs this tranny, make me an offer. The clutch is
gone to the buyer of the (seized) motor, but the stick is with the tranny.
Email me if you need this transmission.

Ryan
rlong tctc.com

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:16:50 -0500
From: luke wells
Subject: FTE Small - Serpentine belt

What size is the serpentine belt for a 2.3 L 96 with no a/c and about
how much does a new one cost? Has anyone who used a underdrive pulley
had any luck with it? peformance, problems with alternator etc

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:37:59 EST
From: FrdRngrLvr AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Speakers

The size that actualy fits is a 5 1/4 although you will find that a 6 1/2 is
what is called for

Jim 96 Wave
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:17:35 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: adjusting for tire sizes..

Lou Guerriero wrote:
>
> Ok, but what about engine wear.. is that a concern? Gas mileage???
>

2 counter-balancing factors at work:

Overall gearing is slightly higher (less RPM/mile) but the rolling
resistance may be slightly higher depending on the types of tires.
(Dont forget to factor in the odometer error when calculating MPG or
else you'll have false data.) 215-235 is a pretty small change and I
dont think you would see much difference in either catagory. 235 Dueler
HT's to 31x10.5' Radial ATX's cost me about 2MPG around town (with hubs
usually in 'lock' position in case I spot a new trail ); but that's a
little more drastic change going from ~9" to 10.5" width!

As you go to ever-wider tires the issue starts becoming excess strain on
the front end as it deals with loads above or outside the designed
area(s). I just laugh every time I see a FWD car with RWD wheels so the
tires stick out some 3-6" beyond the fender; I know I'll have plenty of
repeat customers for wheel bearings and ball joints!

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
manic1 bellsouth.net
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 19:43:53 -0600
From: "John Cheyney RN, BSN, CCRN"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Speakers

>Ok, yet a few MORE questions from me :)

>1. What size is the speaker in the door panels for the '90ish Rangers?

>2. Did the '91s (or around that time) even HAVE rear speakers?


My Crutchfield catalogue lists the 89-92 Ranger as having 6 1/2" speakers for the door with a maximum mounting depth of of 2 1/8". It does not list rear speakers of the regular cab model. for the supercab it lists 6x8" speaker with a max mounting depth of 2 1/2" in the cab corner/lower side wall.

John Cheyney RN, BSN, BA, CCRN

1213 McHam

Irving, Texas

75062


Email: cheyne19 idt.net

jcheyn childmed.dallas.tx.us


"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to
prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

Jeremiah 29:11
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:26:09 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger manual tranny rebuild.

Donald Paauw wrote:
>
> I have an 88 Ranger 4x4 extended cab with a 5 speed manual
> transmission ( code "D", Mitsubishi) that I'm told has a
> bad input shaft bearing.

Can you find someone to replace JUST the input bearing? There'd be no
warranty obviously but it might be an option.

A local shop quoted $1650 to rebuild
> it and an auto store quoted $1357 + $330 core charge for
> a rebuilt one. Both of these prices seem pretty steep,

Yep.. and *hopefully* you get what you pay for. Since you're looking
into the V-8 conversion either build this one and keep your fingers
crossed on it's life behind it or bite the bullet and spend a few
hundred more and get a nice new T-5 and the proper adaptors; see
'Advance Adaptors' website for getting some good info about it. :-)

> just open
> it up and use your own judgement on what needs replacing.

Actually that's true for 'shiftless' tranny's too; the kit just has the
seals/clutches/etc and none of the 'hard' parts that often fail such as
the pump or a drum or a sun gear.

>
> The truck has 120k miles on it & I just had a rebuilt 2.9L
> engine and clutch put in at 116k miles. (I was on the original
> clutch; do they normally last 116k miles?).
> Otherwise I'd consider swapping in a 302 with another transmission.

Hmm.. swap the T-5 behind the 2.9 then. The first clutch lasts the
longest; you must be a fairly 'gentle' driver in regards to clutch
abuse.. I'm happy to get 30K. :-) If you DO decide to swap out how
much would you want for the 2.9/wiring harness/computer/exhaust
manifolds so I could convert my tired old 2.8 rather than spending $3K
on building it the way I want to?

>
> So my questions are:
> What kind of tools are needed for transmission work?

Patience! Small parts that dont want to stay in place and need the
proper clearance. (like differential work but more small parts and just
as fussy if you want long service)

> What parts would normally be replaced just on principle,

Anything with wear.. Synchros on 1,2 & 5, anything related to that
'light duty' 5th, all bearings etc.

> and how would I identify any unexpected damage or wear?

With a practiced eye..

> Barring abnormal damage, about how much should I expect
> to spend on parts?

Probably 1/2-2/3 of the above costs MINUS 6-8 hours of your local labor
rate.

> Is my dealer the best source for parts or is a local auto
> store just as good? (Or maybe a mail-order company?)

I'd trust the dealer more (for something like this), but often the
aftermarket has reboxed Ford parts.

> Is any special expertise required or is it fairly straight-forward

It's straight-forward but fussier than a 3 year old.. I'll rebuild
carb's (even Honda 3-BBL's!) all day long but I'll find a pro or a
junker when/if my 5 Spd Mazda tranny (B-II) needs work. (152K and going
strong except for a sloppy shifter.)


> (I rebuilt a Mop** engine in the past, with a friend's
> help).

Engines are easy in comparison.. You CAN do it; just be warned it's
picky and requires a lot of patience and detail.

> He thought it was really funny when the oil ran out on my chest.

Reminds me of some 20 years ago when I helped a friend change his tranny
fluid on a 60 something Wildcat.. my side slopped down and drenched me..
natural reaction was to lift.. got him too! :-) Hmm.. come to think of
it I'd rather go into a C-4 than any manual tranny..

I'm sure there's some tranny guys reading this and laughing at me; but
my specialties are engine performance and A/C so I'm sorta from a DIY
perspective on this!

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
manic1 bellsouth.net




>
> -- Don
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:46:34 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 95 Ranger wants to die in 1st and 2nd gear (more)

Robert Fox wrote:

> Also each time it stutters my check engine like will flash on
> and off.

Big clue there.. any time that li'l engine light comes on it means
there's something going on that the computer sees as totally wrong for
the current operating conditions (like a intake temp of -40 and a water
temp of +270 at idle... HUH? ) and it turns on the light 'while the
fault is present' (pre-96 and depending on the fault involved). If you
can pull the code(s) from the system you'll be well on the way to
resolving your problem. Likely culprits are the throttle position
sensor (TPS) or the MAP sensor (Manifold Absolute Pressure.. a fancy way
of saying 'vacuum'), but without diagnosis or codes it's SWAG work.

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
manic1 bellsouth.net
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:15:47 -0700
From: "Don Murphree"
Subject: FTE Small - Excess engine noise in '98 2.5L Ranger....


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