small-list-digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 206



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions
FTE Small -RE- A/C Performance Questions
FTE Small - FW: Consumer Request Response
FTE Small - cooling problems update and request
Re: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions
FW: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request
FTE Small - links for ford folks
FTE Small - RE:cooling problems
FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers
Re: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers
Re: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers
FTE Small - Re Alan Wilson
Re: FW: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:02:21 -0400
From: "Bob Leifer"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions

sorry in advance for this long message, but I don't often reply, so maybe I
just got carried away.

My '97 3.0 Liter Ranger XLT has no trouble AT ALL keeping up with the very
hot days we have been going through with the AC not on Max. If it's been
sitting in the sun for a long time, using Max will cool it down faster (once
the big heat build up is removed and it just recycles the air) In fact, If I
keep it on Max too long, I get too cold in the truck! I put it on regular
AC, and even have to turn the blower speed down. I don't see any big
difference in the R134a's performance in this truck or my wife's '98 Mazda
626 compared to the performance of the old R12. There may be a measurable
difference with instrumentation, but these new vehicles seem to have
properly designed AC systems. Prior to getting the '97 Ranger, I had heard
that the R134a system was poor, but was pleasantly surprised to find that is
not true. Also, although I do feel a difference in acceleration with the AC
on, it is not that significant that I would want to turn it off every time I
need to accelerate! My ranger has the 4 speed automatic by the way.
Charging an AC system is easy, but getting the right amount of "Freon" in
really requires an AC Gauge manifold to measure the suction lines pressure.
I suppose you could do it by "feel" but I would hesitate. I have always used
the gauges in the past when it was necessary to charge an AC system.
Overcharging it could damage something

Bob


- -----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rifici
To: Ford Trucks List (Small)
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 10:38 PM
Subject: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions


> I was hoping that one of you Ranger/Explorer 4.0L w/ R134a A/C owners
>could help me out with a few questions.
>
> How long does it take to cool down your truck on MAX A/C on an 80+
>degree day w/ high humidity, when the truck has been sitting in the
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:20:56, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: FTE Small -RE- A/C Performance Questions

Hi,
I've got a '98 with a 4.0L and a 5 speed manual and AC, but mine
doesn't stumble as bad as yours. No matter what you drive, the AC
compressor robs power, so either (a) you have to push the engine
harder to get acceleration, or (b) relax, drive slower, and enjoy the
air conditioning :-)!
As for cooling down on a 80+ degree day, well mine doesn't take too
long, but maybe because everything is still pretty new (10 months
old).
If you were driving a four banger with air (I've had a '95 2.3L
Ranger) then you are going at turtle speed. A 1990 2.9L I had before
the '95 also was really affected by the AC, but my 4.0L now isn't too
bad. During crazy traffic I tend to turn it off to scoot up the
highway ramps to hit 65-70, but usually its not needed.
Sorry about the rambling on.
Josh
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:40:14 -0000
From: Michael Peacock
Subject: FTE Small - FW: Consumer Request Response

To Ranger and BroncoII owners:
This is a response to a request for low gears in the transfer case for =
our vehicles, if you could take a moment to email the company below with =
your request for double-low transfer cases. Thanks - Mike


- -----Original Message-----
From:Jan Gremillion=20
Subject:Re: Consumer Request
Jan Gremillion [pullpal rof.net]

Dear Michael -

At this time, there is not enough of a call for this adaptation, and =
Advanced Adapters has no plans to start R & D. I'm told that utilizing =
the current Atlas would prove very expensive & time consuming.
It couldn't hurt to keep voicing your opinion, and getting your friends =
to do the same. Maybe someday there will be a majority, and enough =
cause for them to get something together for you.
Regards,

Pat Gremillion
Premier Power
Welder___________________________________________________________________=
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>Build a 4 to 1 transfer case for Ranger and BroncoII Consumers! There's =
a
>lot of us out here!


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:48:03 -0000
From: Michael Peacock
Subject: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request

I've narrowed the problem with my cooling system down to the fan clutch. =
My next question is: Sense I've got to spend $25 on the fan clutch, Now =
is the time to go ahead and spend $60 on an electric fan. Should I? I'm =
asking for everyone's' opinion on electric fans. Thanks for the replies.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:45:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Ciocco
Subject: Re: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions

I have an 87 Bronco II that I had converted to 134a. It cools better
and it took care of the noisey compressor problem as well.

If your clutch is cycling too often then you probably need a recharge.
If you need a recharge then you have a leak, slow as it may bee.
Either check for it yourself or get it checked before adding any freon
or you may be just throwing money away.

Look for oily spots on the hoses or the a/c parts this will be a good
indication of a freon leak. the only thing that you won't be able to
visibly check is the evaperator, and that is the part that usually is
leaking. You may get lucky and it my just be an o ring or a hose.

Hope this helps.




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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:50:58 -0400
From: MICHAEL PEACOCK
Subject: FW: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request

I've narrowed the problem with my ENGINES cooling system down to the fan =
clutch. My next question is: Sense I've got to spend $25 on the fan =
clutch, Now is the time to go ahead and spend $60 on an electric fan. =
Should I? I'm asking for everyone's' opinion on electric fans. Thanks =
for the replies.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Mr. Peanut"
Subject: FTE Small - links for ford folks

Last night was slow at work, so I did some searching and found some
interesting links for truck owners:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.borla.com
borla mufflers
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jetchip.com
chips
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.knfilters.com
K&N filter site
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.blueoval.com
hi-perf fords (mustang, but 5.0L info pertains)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jamesduff.com
ranger catalog-off road stuff for ranger & B2
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edgediagnostics.com
eng analyzers, etc
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.iaw.com/~aubertin/88mgt/eec-iv/eec-iv.htm
very technical info fuel injection, 02 sensors etc
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hickok-inc.com
auto diagnostics stuff
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superchips.com
chips
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sporttruck.com
street trucks
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordunleashed.com
ford news
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.performance-plus.com
hi-perf
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://host3.fourwheeler.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superfordmagazine.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com
ford truck enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford ranger. com
best ranger msg board
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pendacorp.com
penda liners & accessories
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tufflinerbedliners.com
liners
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://209.1.206.107/autostyles home page
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dhc.net~booboy/splash.htm
splash ranger
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autoweb.com
buy,sell,kelly blue book prices
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fabtechmotorsports.com
good suspension site
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~powerrangers/
ranger 4.0L site
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/vanirv6/vanir.htm
vanir technologies
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ttol.comtrucking times
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/FRangerMan
ranger site
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ghg.net/sandmanx/ranger
high mileage ranger site
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com
ford V8 engines
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bronco. com
bronco site

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:31:45 -0700
From: "Ulysses Samilo"
Subject: FTE Small - RE:cooling problems

Definitely check your thermostat to see if its stuck closed.

Ulysses Samilo
High Speed Logic Design Engineer
Email: (wk) ulyssess amcc.com
(hm) usamilo1 san.rr.com
WWW: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.san.rr.com/ulysses
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:33:32 -0700
From: "Ulysses Samilo"
Subject: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers

David wrote:

>The article states that you should not adjust the bolts while
>there is tension on the suspension, which makes sense. As always, be
>careful. Use jack stands.

This is a very important point. MAKE SURE THERE IS NO TENSION or you could
end up stripping the bolt. If that bolt or nut strips its threads the bolt
and the torsion bar anchor will come flying at you at such a high velocity
that the bolt will go right through you or the anchor will cut into you.
Remeber, we are talking about a spring here that is wound up instead of
being compressed.

The best thing to do is to wait until thicker torsion bars are available
commercially. I do not recommend cranking on the stock torsion bars. You
could end up weakening them in the long run by putting that extra stress on
them.

If you do end up cranking on the stock torsion bars, the result is you will
get an extra inch or two of height, but you will also end up moving your
front tires in closer together as you go up.
You will also end up changing your camber on your alignment and therefore
will have to have that redone.

I recommend that you wait until a full suspension lift kit is out.
Superlift announced that they would have one out this summer. This way
you get the new upper A-Arms that will compensate for the tires moving in
and the heavy duty torsion bars.


Ulysses Samilo
High Speed Logic Design Engineer
Email: (wk) ulyssess amcc.com
(hm) usamilo1 san.rr.com
WWW: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.san.rr.com/ulysses
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:34:23 -0500
From: "David Steelman"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers

Thanks for the info Ulysses.
I am aware of the changes in camber that the adjustments will cause, but
I neglected to mention that in my post. Thanks for bringing it up.
Your comments bring up a question though.
As I mentioned in my posting about adjusting the TBs, my lower a-arms were
almost level with the cross member and my truck sat low in the front end
compared to many of the Rangers with the off-road pkg that I have seen.
The question is: Why are some trucks that are identical in design and
features (including tire size) higher than others?
If there are no suspension lift kits available yet, it would seem to me
that the trucks either came from the factory that way or the buyers have
done something on their own.
I called a Ford dealer and asked if there was anything that would cause
the differences. The service manager stated that after the trucks are
delivered, absolutely nothing is done to affect the ride height of the
trucks. He wasn't even aware of the adjusting bolt on the TB suspensions.
He suggested that if I wanted more info about them that I would have to try
and catch one of the techs early in the morning. I'll try to do that and
let you know if anything comes of it.
The service manager also said that the trucks do not come from the
factory with different settings as far as height and camber are concerned.
All of this leads me to believe that a lot of 98 Rangers with the ORP are
driving around with screwed-up camber. So who is it? The higher trucks? Or
the lower ones like mine?
I did not measure the camber on my truck, but it appears to have changed
very little. Given, I don't really have an accurate method, but "eyeballing
it" I appear to have near zero camber.

Thanks again.
Dave

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:24:19 -0500
From: "David Steelman"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers

I would like to make clear that, by posting that initial info about
adjusting the torsion bars, I was not recommending it as a way to radically
jack up a 4x4 98 Ranger. All suspensions have their limits and everyone
should use their grey matter when making adjustments or modifications to
their machines.
The article I referenced made it clear that you shouldn't try to go too
far.
The fender to rim measurements on my truck are now at 12.5 inches.

I'd be interested in hearing how other Rangers with the ORP compare to
this. My truck does not have the fender flares, btw.

Dave
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:05:40 -0400
From: Ken Morrill
Subject: FTE Small - Re Alan Wilson

Alan Wilson wrote: You're probably one of those guys that leave the
passenger side air-bag in the "off" position too...some people...:)
Alan Wilson


You missed the point Alan.. I wear the seatbelt, just don't like the
beeping at various times (like when the keys are in the ignition and the
door is opened). F.Y.I. When I ask a question I am looking for an
intelligent response, in case you don't know what that is please read
the letter from Mr. Hoffman.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:17:53 -0700
From: tim728 juno.com
Subject: Re: FW: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request

Have the same problem . I cant tell you what is better clutch or electric
, but because my clutch fan is working right I decided to buy a little
insurance because these motors are known to overheat. I went to the local
junk yard and picked up a verry thin electric fan from a mid 80,s nissan
200sx. The fan is a pusher fan not a puller like the stock clutch fan and
mounts on the front of the radiator . Just barely enough room to fit
between the radiator and the a/c cooler but it will fit and I used
STRONG electrical wire ties to mount is securely. I am also going to add
a thermostat for the fan (about $13 from J.C. whitney) so the stock
clutch fan will always be on and the electric fan will only turn on when
the temp reaches 170.
Good Luck, Tim

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