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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - 8.8 axle ABS brakes
Re: FTE Small - Transmission Problems??????
RE: Subject FTE Small - Explorer Starters
FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions
FTE Small - Engine Revs up
FTE Small - RE: Am I on the wrong list?
Re: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions
FTE Small - Sagging 1998 Explorer
RE: FTE Small - Engine Revs up
RE: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions
Re: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions
RE: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions
FTE Small - battery cables
FTE Small - 8 Plug-4 cylinder
Re: FTE Small - Transmission Problems??????
Re: FTE Small - 8 Plug-4 cylinder
Re: FTE Small - Sagging 1998 Explorer
FTE Small - Transfer Case
Re: FTE Small - Transfer Case
FTE Small - Another Transmission Problem
FTE Small - Ford Discussion over IRC (live)
FTE Small - "Ranger Mystery Sudden Acceleration?"
Re: FTE Small - Engine Revs up
Re: FTE Small - "Ranger Mystery Sudden Acceleration?"
Re: FTE Small - Another Transmission Problem

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:37:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Fox
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 8.8 axle ABS brakes

Make sure your gearing is the same.

Robert Fox
95 Supercab Ranger
93 Supercab F-150
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford ranger. com

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, KDRESSEL wrote:

> I am getting ready to put an 8.8 inch rearend in my 86 ranger 4x4. My
> question is the truck that it is coming out of has ABS and my truck
> doesn't.Will this be a problem. The guy I am going to buy it off says
> it wont matter. will this be a problem. My other question is are there
> any real quick ways to make sure it is an 8.8 not a 7.5. I compared it
> to mine and it seems different where the u-joint mounts to it. Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Matt Dresselhaus
> 1986 ranger 4x4

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:47:43 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Transmission Problems??????

- -snip-
>
>No cause for the "MYSTERY SUDDEN ACCELERATION" has been found but I had my
>toe UNDER the pedal trying to pry it up to slow the beast down but to no
>avail! Despite the fact the dealership claimed "you must have accidently had
>your foot to the floor" Wrong again FoMoCo!
>

Did they check/replace the engine mounts? My 67 F100 did a 60 mph flight
through a parking lot when it broke a mount.





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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:56:36 -0700
From: "Tim J. Clevenger"
Subject: RE: Subject FTE Small - Explorer Starters

I actually had the same problem on a Mercruiser 140 inboard/outboard motor. Occasionally it would
turn over, but most of the time it'd just click. Finally my dad took the starter out and opened it up.
Apparently the loose connection in there was very easy to find and fix. If you're planning to replace it
anyway, you might crack it open first and see if there are any loose connections you can tighten up.

Regards,

Tim Clevenger
90 Nissan 240SX SE 2.4L RWD
86 Ford Ranger 2.3L 2WD
86 Honda Helix .25L 1WD


>The truck wouldn't start, just clicked once. A friend rapped twice on
>the starter with the tire tool and away we went. I assume this
>means new starter.





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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:03:20 -0400
From: "Daniel J. O'Shea"
Subject: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions

Hi Everyone.

I just received my '98 Ranger XLT 4x4 4.0L w/Auto and 3.73 LSD. I'm
happy with the truck so far. I owned a '94 Toyota 4x4 previously, and
I think the Ranger has a much less jarring ride, and the cabin is
certainly quieter (the yota had more than its fair share of interior
rattles).

I have three issues that I'm a little concerned about. I looked
through the mailing list archives (and an on-line TSB list) for any
information but saw nothing that looked like a match. I am hoping the
collective wisdom on this list will have an answer.

- - There is a high-pitched whine that I hear when I'm on the highway at
60-70MPH (~2200 RPM). The noise sounds suspiciously like the noise
made by knobby tires, but I'm pretty sure it isn't them. I can
reproduce the noise by cruising at a steady speed and lifting off
the gas ever-so-slightly to coast a bit. Once the noise is present,
if I give the truck a little more or a little less gas (not enough
to change the speed) the noise goes away. It's only at that fine
point of just barely coasting that the noise is present. It is
really loud when coasting at a steady speed down an incline.

- - After driving for a while, when I come to a stop (at a light or in
my garage). There is a different high-pitched noise that sounds
like it's coming from the engine compartment. This one sounds
'warbley', like it might be produced by a vibration somewhere. It
is sensitive to engine RPM and/or engine load. If I put the truck
in neutral or put the AC on, the noise goes away. I hope to get a
chance to put the parking brake on and pop the hood to check out
where the sound is coming from.

- - Sometimes when slowly coming to a stop, right at the instant that
the truck stops moving, I feel a 'thud' (thunk? can you feel a
thud?) in the brake pedal similar to what it feel like when the
automatic shifts, but more pronounced. Then, when I accelerate, the
instant I put my foot on the gas, I feel it again. I'm pretty sure
that this is something in the drivetrain. Is this a characteristic
of the 5-speed AT? Is first gear really tiny? The strange thing
is, it doesn't always happen when I stop, and if it doesn't happen
when I stop, it doesn't happen when I take off.

Has anyone else had any similar experiences with their Ranger? Any
ideas would be most appreciated. I fear that if I take it to the
dealer with no ideas, they'll say "What? I don't hear/feel anything."


On another note:

The order for the truck listed 4-wheel ABS at no charge. I thought
only rear-wheel ABS was standard. Did Ford start shipping 4-wheel ABS
standard? Does anyone know how I can tell for sure if, indeed, I have
4-wheel or 2-wheel ABS? Just curious about this one.

Also - do most people on this list also subscribe to the "97up" list?
Which is the best list to post '98 Ranger questions to?


Thanks in advance for the help (sorry about writing a book)! I found
the BMW list invaluable for tips on my klunko 2002. I'm really
excited that there is a list for my new baby too.

Cheers,

Dan
dano ltx.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:23:25 -1000
From: Russell Martin
Subject: FTE Small - Engine Revs up

Aloha, I have a problem with my 1988 Ford Ranger 2WD 2.0 Liter. The
engine will rev up by itself after I take my foot of the accelarator
pedal. It will rev up and then bring itself back down to idle. I have
had people tell me it could be a vacuum leak or the Throttle Positioning
Sensor. Any help with this problem would be helpful. Thanks in
advance.

Russ

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:26:32 -0700
From: "Pete Lawless"
Subject: FTE Small - RE: Am I on the wrong list?

Bill Adams wrote:
>I just joined this list, been on the 79 and older Ford truck list for a
>while.
>
>I thought this list was for people who own and like vehicles like
>Explorers. All I find is arguments about why they should be off the
>road.
>
>Am I in the wrong list?

You're on the right list..... hang in there, we usually talk trucks...
(those sneaky communists are everywhere!)

Later... Pete
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:50:52 -0500
From: "David Steelman"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions

Dan, About your thunk/thud sound, my 98 XLT 4x4 3.0 5 spd man is currently
in the shop for a similar sound. It didn't start until I had put about 3k
on the truck. If I accelerated real easy I could prevent it from happening,
but under normal driving conditions I had a thunk under acceleration and
braking. I should hear something soon so I'll pass along any info I get.

While I'm here, does anyone have any idea what it's going to take to
squeeze a couple of inches out of the front suspension on the new Rangers?
I haven't seen much info on upgrading or tweaking the torsion bar
suspensions. I'm not looking for a lot of lift, just about 1.5 to 2 inches.

Dave
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:02:50 +0200
From: "Parnell, John"
Subject: FTE Small - Sagging 1998 Explorer

>Hi to all...

I don't know if this went through the 1st time, so here it is again.
if duplicate, please excuse.

>Does any one know if my 98 Explorer can be easily adjusted to make it
>sit level relative to a flat, level surface? It lists noticeably to
>the left when viewed from the rear. (It's under warranty but my
dealer
>wants to keep it all day and overnight (and no loaner!!)). I've
carefully measured
>various points on the frame etc. and it is about 1" lower on the
>left... Any simple wrenching to make it square?. Any serious comments
>out there? Thanks for any help.
>ONLY IN AMERICA does a homeless vet sleep in a cardboard box, while a
>draft dodger sleeps in the White House.
>Regards, John
>john.parnell solvay.com


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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:38:46 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Engine Revs up

Mine did the same thing, a new TP Sensor corrected the problem.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

- -----Original Message-----
From:Russell Martin [SMTP:Japun Concentric.net]
Sent:Tuesday, July 14, 1998 9:23 AM
To:small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE Small - Engine Revs up

Aloha, I have a problem with my 1988 Ford Ranger 2WD 2.0 Liter. The
engine will rev up by itself after I take my foot of the accelarator
pedal. It will rev up and then bring itself back down to idle. I have
had people tell me it could be a vacuum leak or the Throttle Positioning
Sensor. Any help with this problem would be helpful. Thanks in
advance.

Russ

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:45:56 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions

Dave,

Dont know if its available for your 98' but on my 93' (when it was a couple
of months old) superlift made 2 to 2 1/2" coils and new camber bushings to
make the truck set level. I would check in some 4x4 mags and call some of
the places in the adds. To get the lift you want it should just require new
coils, camber bushings, and new front shocks. I would recomend a steering
stabalizer if you go with larger tires and wheels. I did the hole thing
with 4 new shocks and a steering stabalizer for about $700 to $750
installation included. Unless the suspension has changed that should make
the front set level with the back of your truck. Hope this was of some
help.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

- -----Original Message-----
From:David Steelman [SMTP:dsteelman katv.com]
Sent:Tuesday, July 14, 1998 9:51 AM
To:small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions

Dan, About your thunk/thud sound, my 98 XLT 4x4 3.0 5 spd man is currently
in the shop for a similar sound. It didn't start until I had put about 3k
on the truck. If I accelerated real easy I could prevent it from happening,
but under normal driving conditions I had a thunk under acceleration and
braking. I should hear something soon so I'll pass along any info I get.

While I'm here, does anyone have any idea what it's going to take to
squeeze a couple of inches out of the front suspension on the new Rangers?
I haven't seen much info on upgrading or tweaking the torsion bar
suspensions. I'm not looking for a lot of lift, just about 1.5 to 2 inches.

Dave
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:53:34 -0500
From: "David Steelman"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions

John,
Thanks for the info, but the suspension has changed. They have gone to
what they call an SLA (short/long arm) suspension with torsion bars instead
of coil springs. I had to beef up the suspension on my old 90 4x2 due to
the fact that I had a custom made flat bed that was a lot heavier than the
original box. I had the rear springs re-arched and added a short leaf and
load-leveler shocks, which put the rear back to about 2-3 inches above the
original height. I then used some Skyjacker coils on the front that gave it
about 1.5 inches and evened things out a bit without having to worry about
the camber.
I just talked to a guy at a local 4x4 shop and he said that there are
aftermarket torsion bars available for trucks with similar set-ups, but he
had not heard of any for the new Rangers. I guess that's what I get for
buying a NEW new truck! I'll just have to wait until the manufacturers
start coming out with new stuff.

Tick tock, tick tock...

Dave
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:10:23 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions

Dave,

I have a budy with a nissan 2x that said he just cranked on his torsion
bars to get about an extra inch of lift. I have no idea how to do this or
if what he said was BS but could be worth a shot as long as it does'nt
have a negative affect on your tires, if you know what I mean. If I see
anything in the 4x mags I will pass it along. I'm sure Rancho or Superlift
or one of the others will have something on the market soon. Tell us what
you find when/if you do.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

- -----Original Message-----
From:David Steelman [SMTP:dsteelman katv.com]
Sent:Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:54 AM
To:small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE Small - New '98 Ranger Questions

John,
Thanks for the info, but the suspension has changed. They have gone to
what they call an SLA (short/long arm) suspension with torsion bars instead
of coil springs. I had to beef up the suspension on my old 90 4x2 due to
the fact that I had a custom made flat bed that was a lot heavier than the
original box. I had the rear springs re-arched and added a short leaf and
load-leveler shocks, which put the rear back to about 2-3 inches above the
original height. I then used some Skyjacker coils on the front that gave it
about 1.5 inches and evened things out a bit without having to worry about
the camber.
I just talked to a guy at a local 4x4 shop and he said that there are
aftermarket torsion bars available for trucks with similar set-ups, but he
had not heard of any for the new Rangers. I guess that's what I get for
buying a NEW new truck! I'll just have to wait until the manufacturers
start coming out with new stuff.

Tick tock, tick tock...

Dave
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:49:47 -0400
From: "Wag"
Subject: FTE Small - battery cables

Bad cables can be the problem. Ford had a recall on 91 explorers because of
excess corrosion. If I remember right the had a separate battery box and
splash shield as a fix. My original battery had already gone south when the
recall took place. But it had leaked all over the terminals causing a great
big voltage drop across the cable! I couldn't use the full recall since the
battery I put in was bigger than stock and the new tray and splash shield
would not fit. To check your cables do the following if you own a DC volt
meter.

Put one lead on each end of the battery cable (one on the + battery and one
on the starter. Then one on the - lead to where it grounds on the truck) You
should read close to 0 volts for each cable. You can also disconnect the
leads and measure their resistance if your meter has this function. High
resistance or a high voltage drop means bad or corroded cables!
I have 176K on my starter and it never sounds weak.

Gregg Wagner " WAG "
wagg g-net.net
Statesboro, GA
80 FJ-40, Building Memories



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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:08:42 EDT
From: PSR07 aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - 8 Plug-4 cylinder

I recently acquired a 1993 Ranger 4x2 XLT. Its in pretty good shape but has
one strange feature. The motor is a 2.3 L with eight spark plugs, two per
cylinder. Does anyone have any information on this motor.

psr07 aol.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:53:09 EDT
From: Dudley151 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Transmission Problems??????

I couldn't tell whats wrong with your tranny,but I'm a RedWings fan also.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:54:56 EDT
From: Dudley151 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 8 Plug-4 cylinder

I've got an '89 Ranger with the same motor,what questions do you have?
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:40:07 -0500
From: Mike Fisher
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Sagging 1998 Explorer

John,

My '97 AWD Mountaineer does the same thing. When I took it to the dealer
for its 6000 mile service, I had them look at it. They claimed that they
adjusted one of the torsion bars to get it back in spec, but it didn't
change much.

Take a look at other Explorers. They all do the same thing. They always
lean to the left, and a lot of Rangers do the same thing.

Mike Fisher

Parnell, John wrote:

> >Hi to all...
>
> I don't know if this went through the 1st time, so here it is again.
> if duplicate, please excuse.
>
> >Does any one know if my 98 Explorer can be easily adjusted to make it
> >sit level relative to a flat, level surface? It lists noticeably to
> >the left when viewed from the rear. (It's under warranty but my
> dealer
> >wants to keep it all day and overnight (and no loaner!!)). I've
> carefully measured
> >various points on the frame etc. and it is about 1" lower on the
> >left... Any simple wrenching to make it square?. Any serious comments
> >out there? Thanks for any help.
> >ONLY IN AMERICA does a homeless vet sleep in a cardboard box, while a
> >draft dodger sleeps in the White House.
> >Regards, John
> >john.parnell solvay.com
>
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Date: 14 Jul 1998 19:14:28 EDT
From: Hawk sktc.net
Subject: FTE Small - Transfer Case

Just a heads-up. I tried to change the oil in the transfer case on my
94 Ranger this past weekend. My transfer case DOES NOT have a drain
plug! I checked with a local tranny shop today to be sure, and they
verified this dispicable fact. The three options that I can think of
are: 1) Split the case, 2) Suck out the fluid through the fill hole,
3) Don't change the oil. Does anyone have a better idea?
Buck Shoff

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:52:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Transfer Case

You (Hawk sktc.net) wrote:
> Just a heads-up. I tried to change the oil in the transfer case on my
> 94 Ranger this past weekend. My transfer case DOES NOT have a drain
> plug! I checked with a local tranny shop today to be sure, and they
> verified this dispicable fact. The three options that I can think of
> are: 1) Split the case, 2) Suck out the fluid through the fill hole,
> 3) Don't change the oil. Does anyone have a better idea?

Is it a 4x4 or a 2x4? In the case of the later, my Bronoc II
manual says there's no fluid at all! And you're not supposed
to put any in it. If it's a 4x4, I would imagine that #2 would
be desired. Any oil-change designed pump should work. Make
sure to suck from the very bottom of the case to get as much
of the shavings/crud as possible.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:56:59 -0400
From: "Thomas Moore"
Subject: FTE Small - Another Transmission Problem

I recently bought a 87 Bronco II (auto) and the only serious problem was a
transmission leak. I took it to a local transmission shop and they said the
main seal was leaking and they replaced the seal along with the bellhousing
and torque converter (they said those worn parts caused the seal to go bad).
So, when I got back into the truck I noticed it wasn't shifting the same,
then I noticed it wasn't downshifting smoothly. When driving about 50 mph
the car will not downshift out of OD now (it shifted out of OD fine before
the parts were replaced) and when slowing down to about 15 mph the trans
stays in 3rd gear, the engine lugs and the truck "shakes" for a few seconds,
then abruptly shifts down to first gear (this also didn't happen before I
had the trans seal fixed).

I took it back to the shop and they insist they did nothing that could have
effected the shifting and says I have another problem. I think the shop is
giving me the run around. Does anyone know if a new bellhousing, tourque
converter or seal could cause this problem? Could one of those parts be
wrong or defective? Maybe they bent something or incorrectly installed a
part?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:07:55 -0500
From: "Paul Michael Holland II"
Subject: FTE Small - Ford Discussion over IRC (live)

I am thinking of starting a discussion for Explorer Owners (or anyone who
drives a vehicle that shares there platform) on IRC or Internet Request
Chat. I need 10 e-mails and a nickname to go along with the e-mail in order
to start it. If you are interested in a live discussion in which you can
ask questions about maintenance, performance, tips, or would you buy another
explorer, please e-mail me at hollapm netdoor.com and supply your e-mail
address and a nick. If you don't know what an IRC is, it allows you to join
a channel (like one for Ford Explorers) whenever you want, and allows you to
post a message regarding whatever you wish to discuss. And You can quit at
anytime. If this sounds interesting and you don't have the software you can
get it at www.mIRC.com. I hope to hear from you. Thanks

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:13:51 -0700
From: "Keith Christensen"
Subject: FTE Small - "Ranger Mystery Sudden Acceleration?"

*No cause for the "MYSTERY SUDDEN ACCELERATION" has been found but I had my
*toe UNDER the pedal trying to pry it up to slow the beast down but to no
*avail! Despite the fact the dealership claimed "you must have accidently
had
*your foot to the floor" Wrong again FoMoCo!.......

I haven't had it happen, but I definitely remember seeing a segment on
"Cops" with this poor guy driving a Ranger and it's "driving" on it's own..
The poor guy was holding both hands up to show the officers he had no
control over the vehicle.! If Ford puts that old "you did it by
mistake"trip on you, remind them there is filmed proof on TV!

That had to be scary! (Both yours and his experiences!~)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Keith Christensen
309093
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:28:20 -0400
From: Nathan Heid
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Engine Revs up

At 06:23 AM 7/14/98 -1000, you wrote:
>Aloha, I have a problem with my 1988 Ford Ranger 2WD 2.0 Liter. The
>engine will rev up by itself after I take my foot of the accelarator
>pedal. It will rev up and then bring itself back down to idle. I have
>had people tell me it could be a vacuum leak or the Throttle Positioning
>Sensor. Any help with this problem would be helpful. Thanks in
>advance.

Probably the idle speed control motor. look for a round object with
piston-like device which contacts the throttle arm on the carburator(you did
say 2.0 right?)
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:33:27 -0400
From: Nathan Heid
Subject: Re: FTE Small - "Ranger Mystery Sudden Acceleration?"

>I haven't had it happen, but I definitely remember seeing a segment on
>"Cops" with this poor guy driving a Ranger and it's "driving" on it's own..
>The poor guy was holding both hands up to show the officers he had no
>control over the vehicle.! If Ford puts that old "you did it by
>mistake"trip on you, remind them there is filmed proof on TV!

I think you're talking about "When Cars Attack" This was a very
tongue-in-cheek hour-long piece of pseudo journalistic-infomercial-psycic-
voodoo-docu-drama
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:42:45 -0500
From: Jonathan Smith
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Another Transmission Problem

I'm in no way any sort of mechanical expert, but the torque
converter *might* be the problem. I had a car with similar problems
(the transmission would actually stall the motor out completely
if you tried to stop on a downhill grade- even if it was just
a dip in the road the front wheels were in! [fwd car]). It turned
out to be the torque converter.

Thomas Moore wrote:
>
> I recently bought a 87 Bronco II (auto) and the only serious problem was a
> transmission leak. I took it to a local transmission shop and they said the
> main seal was leaking and they replaced the seal along with the bellhousing
> and torque converter (they said those worn parts caused the seal to go bad).
> So, when I got back into the truck I noticed it wasn't shifting the same,
> then I noticed it wasn't downshifting smoothly. When driving about 50 mph
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