small-list-digest Saturday, July 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 191



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In this issue:

FTE Small - Check Engine Light
FTE Small - Bed Liner
Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey
Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey
FTE Small - Anti-Suv people
Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey
Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey
Re: FTE Small - Anti-Suv people
Re: FTE Small - Anti-Suv people
FTE Small - Re: small-Ranger nerf bars (FWD)
FTE Small - Choppy Tach, another try
FTE Small - ADMIN: Server went down
FTE Small - VW Safety Issue
Re: Subject: FTE Small - Bed Liner
FTE Small - B2 4.0 Conversion?
FTE Small - Re: Anti-SUV survey

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:40:09 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: FTE Small - Check Engine Light

To the person that asked I am running the 3.0 motor with a 5 speed manual
tranny. To the other person asking about temperature that might be worth a
try the truck runs around the middle of the normal range sometimes up to
3/4 of the normal range on the guage. I stated it does it especialy while
towing, but if I get on a long trip not towing it usualy does it too - just
sometimes it does'nt. Also weather makes no difrence ie. it comes on when
its 100 degrees and it comes on when its 30 degrees. I think I might try
looking into the thermostat and radiator theory that realy seems to make
sense. Thanks to all who replied I realy apreciat all of the input.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 9:16:59 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE Small - Bed Liner

I bought my truck in '87. In '87 you could buy a ford liner, which at
that time and in that part of the US was a DuraLiner. (I still have the
documentation on it and the decal on my original rear window that
states that). I did not buy the "Ford" liner, instead I purchased a
new DuraLiner from a reseller. This liner has been in my truck
since '87. Due to the "no holes drilled" mounting of the liner
(big toggle bolts mounted into the post holes) the liner will warp
if the mounts are tightened to much when the weather gets hot.
I think you will always get some warpage, but mine is minimal
in hot weather. On any "slide in" type liner you buy, take the
necessary steps to protect your bed. I did and my bed is still
scratch and rust free under the liner. You will need to tape,
use duct tape or something substantial like that, all the high spot
where the liner will rub. This includes fender wells and the spot on
the side of the bed rail where the edge of the liner meets paint.
If you do not take these measures, all the paint on the high spots
will be rubbed off by truck vibration, wind vibration, and general
loading and unloading your truck. I am very happy with my
DuraLiner and would recommend one to any one, as long as they
did the prep work prior to sliding it in.

Later,

-Ted
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:33:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Mr. Peanut"
Subject: FTE Small - Bed Liner

Who makes the best over-rail bed liner, I don't want the kind that
warp. One for dlr told me the ford liner is made by penda, which is
good. Another frod dlr told me the ford liner is made by duraliner...
They are close in price, and I want only the best for my new
ranger..any help is appreciated..
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:54:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey

At 10:50 PM 7/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>As an SUV owner I actually agree with most of what is on this Anti-SUV page.
>I have to admit that my decision to buy an SUV had a lot to do with a
>"reaction" to what is happening on the roads today.
>
>I always bought small cars (and enjoyed them very much) until recently.
>Today I don't feel safe in a small car anymore. Where I live there seems to
>be more tucks on the road now then cars and that has forced me to join the
>50% that own trucks so I can feel safer.
>
>I hope government laws force automakers to make these SUV's smaller or GET
>RID OF THEM and reverse the trend so I can get back into my old VW Bug and
>feel safe again. Until then I'll be forced to "conform" to todays trends and
>drive a ROAD HOG.
>
>P.S.: BIG SUV's are NOT FUN TO DRIVE!!!

So you basically mean you're not an enthusiast? I guess you
won't last long here....

Its too bad you feel you "have to" drive one, I enjoy my truck.
And since when was a VW safe? Its got flimsy construction and
never stood up good in accidents.

- -Ken Payne


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:09:37 -0400
From: "Troutbm"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey

>>>And since when was a VW safe? Its got flimsy construction and
>>>never stood up good in accidents.

>>>-Ken Payne


When is now. Past VW's may not have been safe but check out the crash
tests for the new Passat and Beetle. Bigger cars or Suv's will win the
fight but this statement is no longer true for VW. No flames intended,
just a recent VW owner who is very impressed by the new breed of VW.

Jeff and Amanda
lvmylabs erols.com
1998 Passat GLS
1995 Ranger XLT
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:23:57 -0400
From: Chuck Anderson
Subject: FTE Small - Anti-Suv people

Just my two cents, if you don't like it, that's your right.

If people choose to drive cars inferior in construction, compact in size,
and vastly underpowered, that's their right. I choose to drive a sport
utility, a Bronco II with an Explorer purchase planned next. The negatives
first: they consume more gas, cost more to buy and insure, more prone to
theft, ride like a truck, hard to get into, and can really bounce you around.

Now, why I choose to buy and drive these vehicles? I love them. Look at
the word utility. These vehicles can haul and tow about anything. If you
choose to go off-road, which I admit I don't do much at all, no fear of
dragging out the bottom of my vehicle. During the winter, I feel more
confident in driving on bad roads. But here is where I remove myself from
other people, during bad weather I drive more carefully. I don't go 55 MPH
on a snowy road just because my vehicle is four wheel drive. I know the
limitations and dangers of vehicles of any kind on bad roads. You wouldn't
believe the people who drive the front wheel drive cars that think they can
drive 55 on snowy roads.

But enough about driving, I like my SUV, I use my SUV, and I will continue
to drive my SUV. It is my given right as a citizen of the USA to drive a
legal vehicle of my choice. If people choose to drive econo boxes, then do
your own research and choose a car with good standard safety features such
as side beams in doors, front and rear crumple zones, air bags, plus more.
How dare a small group of people who choose to drive cars inferior in
quality and construction try to enact laws telling me what I can't drive.
Just like in a previous post, what are you going after next, school buses,
dump trucks, or tractor trailers.

This is a great message board. I think the purpose of this board is to help
fellow owners of small ford truck vehicles trade technical information.
Could we keep it that way? This message is in NO way an attempt to insult
anyone. If a dangerous person takes the wheel of any kind of vehicle,
innocent lives can get shattered.

Thanks for your time, now back to more technical information.

Chuck Anderson

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:48:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey

At 10:09 AM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>And since when was a VW safe? Its got flimsy construction and
>>>>never stood up good in accidents.
>
>>>>-Ken Payne
>
>
>When is now. Past VW's may not have been safe but check out the crash
>tests for the new Passat and Beetle. Bigger cars or Suv's will win the
>fight but this statement is no longer true for VW. No flames intended,
>just a recent VW owner who is very impressed by the new breed of VW.
>
>Jeff and Amanda
>lvmylabs erols.com
>1998 Passat GLS
>1995 Ranger XLT

The "new" Beetle is a Volkswagon Golf with different body panels. The
Golf was never more than a utility econobox. Put retro styling on it
an suddenly everyone will pay more for a Golf than its worth. The
Beetle is not new, unless you buy one from Mexico. The Golf, however,
does have new styling and side impact air bags.

Ken Payne
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:17:12 -0800
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey

Ken Payne wrote:

>
> Its too bad you feel you "have to" drive one, I enjoy my truck.

No flame intended here, but let's get real about driving. There is a
WORLD of difference in handling characteristics between the way my truck
drives & the new Passat (or Mustang or SVO Taurus for the purists out
there). Both serve different functions & should definitely be treated
that way. The majority of SUV's sold never leave the road & the 4X4
sticker on the side is just for show. I believe in using the proper
"tool" for the job at hand. My truck fills one purpose & our sedan
fills the other. I wouldn't get rid of either one.

TC

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:50:27 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Anti-Suv people

In a message dated 7/10/98 8:31:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
ccande0 pop.uky.edu writes:

>
> But enough about driving, I like my SUV, I use my SUV, and I will continue
> to drive my SUV. It is my given right as a citizen of the USA to drive a
> legal vehicle of my choice. If people choose to drive econo boxes, then do
> your own research and choose a car with good standard safety features such
> as side beams in doors, front and rear crumple zones, air bags, plus more.
> How dare a small group of people who choose to drive cars inferior in
> quality and construction try to enact laws telling me what I can't drive.
> Just like in a previous post, what are you going after next, school buses,
> dump trucks, or tractor trailers.

Remember though, as is with any "given right" you must protect that right. The
rights we enjoy were not given but fought and died for! If we allow a group to
infringe on our right to vehicle choice so they can feel safe on the road, we
will all be driving the least safe vehicle on the road. Perhaps bicycles if
they get their way! Maybe even just walking! That way traffic deaths would go
way down! Better yet just don't allow anyone to leave their house!
.02
D Baken
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:24:59 -0800
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Anti-Suv people

Bakend aol.com wrote:
> If we allow a group to
> infringe on our right to vehicle choice so they can feel safe on the road, we
> will all be driving the least safe vehicle on the road.

I don't believe for one instant that any of the mfg of SUV's would roll
over and let some fringe group put an end to the biggest cash cow they
have had in years. I read in Car & Driver that Chevy is going to make
an Impala cop car so they don't have to discount all those Tahoe's to
the police depts. Believe me, the lobbyists for the auto mfg, the UAW
and the fuel companies will keep SUV's alive and free as long as anyone
has the $$$ to buy them and the huge quantities of fuel to keep them
running.

As far as safety... that's a whole NEW can of worms!!!!!!

TC
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:31:07 +0100
From: Nick G Moulsdale
Subject: FTE Small - Re: small-Ranger nerf bars (FWD)

Please, what is a nerf bar ?


Subject: FTE Small - Re: small-Ranger nerf bars

> I've been researching the same thing. here's what I've found. Westin Stepbars
> should be available by now, I was told by end of May, beginning of June. they're
> body mounts. Smittybilt should be available by the end of August. in the past,
> smittybilt has been body mounted, but I'm not sure how it will be for 1998. I
> know there are other brands, but I don't have much info on them. hope that helps.
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:53:00 -0400
>> From: Ed Yohe
>> Subject: FTE Small - Ranger nerf bars
>>
>> Hey folks. I'm new to the list, just bought my Ranger XLT 4 door 4x4
>> yesterday.
>> So far, really happy. I've been out on the Internet all morning trying to find
>> some bolt on stainless nerf bars, finding out that a lot of Ranger stuff is
>> just thru 97. Anybody familiar with nerfs for 98's?


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:56:30 -0400
From: "Anthony Rifici"
Subject: FTE Small - Choppy Tach, another try

I posted this a few days ago and didn't get a response. However, I
swear that I have read some tach discussion on this list or the 80+ list, so
I will try again.

My tachometer has recently started to move very choppy. I gave it a
couple weeks and it hasn't gotten any better. When increasing engine speed,
it seems to lag behind (in response) and then catch up quickly. When
decreasing engine speed, it also seems to lag behind and then catch up, but
the motion is much more choppy. It seems to move in 500 RPM increments, as
though it is getting caught on each hash mark and then breaking free.
Anybody have this problem? Anybody know the cause and/or a fix?

Thank you in advance,
Tony
94 Ranger Supercab, 4.0L, 5-speed

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:59:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Server went down

Our server was down this afternoon for a couple of hours.
If anyone tried posting then, chances are good your post
is lost. Give it an hour or so, if the post doesn't show
up, try again.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:18:04 -0400
From: helotie juno.com (Mark A Helotie)
Subject: FTE Small - VW Safety Issue

First-hand personal experience tells me that the VW Golf
is a pretty darn safe box. It was just about 22 months ago
(Labor Day weekend of '96) when my wife and I went for a
rollover in one. Flipped one-and-three-quarters times, with
the car ending up on the drivers (my) side. We both walked
away from it. It was the Grace of God, I know that. But the
paramedics & EMT folks said they'd never seen an accident
of that magnitude with such abscence of injury. One huge
safety factor was the bar that goes door-to-door at knee level
that stops the engine from coming into the passenger area.
It also stops one's feet from becoming trapped when the
vehicle is crushed.

Anyhow, I just thought I'd throw in my personal knowledge
in this particular area.

BTW, the vehicle we bought to replace the Golf was a Toyota
Camry. Not the "safest" car in the world... but it's a great
"family" vehicle for my wife who ABHORS minivans. :)

I'll keep my '97 Ranger 4.0 5-Speed..... thanks anyway. :)

Take care,
Mark :)
[helotie juno.com]



>>> And since when was a VW safe? Its got flimsy
>>> construction and never stood up good in accidents.

>> When is now. Past VW's may not have been safe but check
>> out the crash tests for the new Passat and Beetle. Bigger
>> cars or Suv's will win the fight but this statement is no longer
>> true for VW. No flames intended, just a recent VW owner
>> who is very impressed by the new breed of VW.

> The "new" Beetle is a Volkswagon Golf with different body panels.
> The Golf was never more than a utility econobox. Put retro styling
> on it an suddenly everyone will pay more for a Golf than its worth.
> The Beetle is not new, unless you buy one from Mexico. The Golf,
> however, does have new styling and side impact air bags.







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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:35:59 -0700
From: Ken Justice
Subject: Re: Subject: FTE Small - Bed Liner

Subject: FTE Small - Bed Liner

"Who makes the best over-rail bed liner, I don't want the kind that
warp. One for dlr told me the ford liner is made by penda, which is
good. Another frod dlr told me the ford liner is made by duraliner...
They are close in price, and I want only the best for my new
ranger..any help is appreciated".

According to a reputable dealer here in hot Arizona, the only bedliner
that doesn't warp is the "York" bedliner. It is the thickest on the
market.
Ken Justice
Discover the Working Mat!
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:58:06 -0400
From: "Dan"
Subject: FTE Small - B2 4.0 Conversion?

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\deflang1033\pard\plain 3 s16\cf0 I found a used 4.0 with automatic tranny out of a 94 explorer for $2000. It has 13k miles on it. I was thinking about trying to put it in my 1990 BroncoII. Anyone have any info on what modifications need to be made to do the swap? Does the 4.0 have the same mounting pattern? Will my driveshaft work? I just bought the truck last september and the engine and transmission in it are about gone. I checked into getting those rebuilt and it looks like it will cost me $3000. Any input on this would be appreciated.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:25:43 EDT
From: SMTH100 aol.com
Subject: FTE Small - Re: Anti-SUV survey

In a message dated 98-07-10 06:32:49 EDT, you write:


From: "Thomas Moore"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE: Anti-SUV survey

As an SUV owner I actually agree with most of what is on this Anti-SUV page.
I have to admit that my decision to buy an SUV had a lot to do with a
"reaction" to what is happening on the roads today.

I always bought small cars (and enjoyed them very much) until recently.
Today I don't feel safe in a small car anymore. Where I live there seems to
be more tucks on the road now then cars and that has forced me to join the
50% that own trucks so I can feel safer.

I hope government laws force automakers to make these SUV's smaller or GET
RID OF THEM and reverse the trend so I can get back into my old VW Bug and
feel safe again. Until then I'll be forced to "conform" to todays trends and
....


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