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FTE Small - Ford parts and numbers...
Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
ADMIN: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 05:42:58 -0500
From: Mike Krause
Subject: FTE Small - Ford parts and numbers...

I'm looking to replace some of the stock parts on my '91 Explorer(rear leaf
springs, interior stuff) and was wondering if anyone knows a good place to get
parts at a reasonable price. I'm not looking to upgrade anything just want a
place to get certified Ford parts at a reasonable price. Also, where can I get
the product codes to order this stuff. Thanks.
Mike Krause

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:20:20 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

At 01:28 AM 7/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Ok, I knew someone would have to doubt me...so here it goes. The person who
>has that car is Danny Britain, he used 6 Orion Concept 97.3 amps, and 18
Orion
>2NT SVC woofers...the official record he set was 172dB, his total wattage
>output is somewhere in the 5000 watt catagory. By the way, a normal car
would
>not be able to handle that kind of sound presure. The floor was reinforsed
>with steel...the roof, doors, and front and rear windows were reinforsed with
>1/4" steel, in addition to bulletproof glass being installed in the front and
>rear windows.

Seems like a lot of money spent just to piss off the neighbors!
I hope he's saving for a hearing aid because I don't want my
tax dollars paying for it.

Ken


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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:29:48 -0500
From: Mike Fisher
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

At the risk of prolonging this guy's ridiculous argument, I wonder if he
has
ever stopped to think that maybe he could listen to his music at home
rather
than driving around? I occasionally like to crank my music too, but I
don't
want to listen to the s**t that most people think is music these days,
and I
won't force my choice of music on them. A compact truck tends to only
somewhat muffle the sound, as mosy have very little, if any, effective
insulation.

Comparing the noise that a lawn mower makes to somebody's stereo is
ridiculous anyway. A lawn mower is something that is an essential part
of
home ownership, while to say the least, a stereo is a luxury.

The thing that bothers me the most here is what his idea of a
"reasonable"
sound level would be. If a stereo is really capable of producing 170dB
(which, BTW, I believe is impossible without serious distortion) then he

really won't have much hearing left after a few days anyway. Of course,
if
he's deaf, then any distortion that appears will only be heard by
whoever he
chooses to annoy.

As for sound competitions furthering the development of new sound
technology, hogwash. The sound that is created by good stereo equipment
these days is as good as it gets. Sound competitions are for guys with
small
brains and small penises.

mark fitzgerald wrote:

> Richard,
> You're right, 170db is about as loud as an orchestra. Just to put this

> in check, that means that your lawnmower is about 100-120db. (provided

> you mow your lawn) Now i know i can hear your lawnmower from more than

> 50 feet away. I live up in northern NH where we don't even have street

> lights.
> My town is the ultimate definition of hickville. We too have the "50
> foot" rule. However, the local police force here has stopped using it
> b/c they recognize it as BS. From the hours of 8am until 10pm, the
> sound ordinance in our town is curbed. Therefore people are allowed to

> mow their lawn, etc etc etc.....During this time, why would it not be
> acceptable to play my music to a volume that i deem reasonable? Do you

> or your neighbors have a heavy duty muffler on your lawnmower? i think

> not. Therefore why should i go around and lessen my enjoyment and turn

> down my volume?
> As for where and why should sound systems be played at 170db's of
> sound? By placing a stereo system in a car you are trying to create
> staging and acoustical resonance in a something equivalent to a metal
> box with a few pieces of plastic. By getting a soundsystem to play
> recognizable sounds at that level is not only amazing, but it's an
> incredible feat of engineering. Sound-offs, or sound competitions
> prove to be staging grounds for new ideas and new innoventions. All
> this works to push the industry to a higher level.
> So next time you're outside and hear someone drive by, just remember
> that he can probably hear not only your lawnmower, but also your stock

> soundsystem.
>
> Best regards,
> Fitzy
>
> PS. I guess i just reflect our state's motto. "Live free or die"

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:35:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark fitzgerald
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

I don't even know why i read just an infantile response. It was
obviously written by someone who is ultimately close minded and who
lives life making unnecessary generalizations. It's not even worth it
to refute his opinions on the matter as anybody i've shown his letter
to ends up laughing at him.
I just feel bad that everybody else on the list had to read his BS.
Let's see if he's man enough to let this issue fade away or does he
need to proclaim his superiority in brain and penile size again?

Best regards,
Fitzy


- ---Mike Fisher wrote:
>
> At the risk of prolonging this guy's ridiculous argument, I wonder
if he
> has
> ever stopped to think that maybe he could listen to his music at home
> rather
> than driving around? I occasionally like to crank my music too, but I
> don't
> want to listen to the s**t that most people think is music these days,
> and I
> won't force my choice of music on them. A compact truck tends to only
> somewhat muffle the sound, as mosy have very little, if any, effective
> insulation.
>
> Comparing the noise that a lawn mower makes to somebody's stereo is
> ridiculous anyway. A lawn mower is something that is an essential part
> of
> home ownership, while to say the least, a stereo is a luxury.
>
> The thing that bothers me the most here is what his idea of a
> "reasonable"
> sound level would be. If a stereo is really capable of producing 170dB
> (which, BTW, I believe is impossible without serious distortion)
then he
>
> really won't have much hearing left after a few days anyway. Of
course,
> if
> he's deaf, then any distortion that appears will only be heard by
> whoever he
> chooses to annoy.
>
> As for sound competitions furthering the development of new sound
> technology, hogwash. The sound that is created by good stereo
equipment
> these days is as good as it gets. Sound competitions are for guys with
> small
> brains and small penises.
>
> mark fitzgerald wrote:
>
> > Richard,
> > You're right, 170db is about as loud as an orchestra. Just to put
this
>
> > in check, that means that your lawnmower is about 100-120db.
(provided
>
> > you mow your lawn) Now i know i can hear your lawnmower from more
than
>
> > 50 feet away. I live up in northern NH where we don't even have
street
>
> > lights.
> > My town is the ultimate definition of hickville. We too have the "50
> > foot" rule. However, the local police force here has stopped using
it
> > b/c they recognize it as BS. From the hours of 8am until 10pm, the
> > sound ordinance in our town is curbed. Therefore people are
allowed to
>
> > mow their lawn, etc etc etc.....During this time, why would it not
be
> > acceptable to play my music to a volume that i deem reasonable? Do
you
>
> > or your neighbors have a heavy duty muffler on your lawnmower? i
think
>
> > not. Therefore why should i go around and lessen my enjoyment and
turn
>
> > down my volume?
> > As for where and why should sound systems be played at 170db's of
> > sound? By placing a stereo system in a car you are trying to create
> > staging and acoustical resonance in a something equivalent to a
metal
> > box with a few pieces of plastic. By getting a soundsystem to play
> > recognizable sounds at that level is not only amazing, but it's an
> > incredible feat of engineering. Sound-offs, or sound competitions
> > prove to be staging grounds for new ideas and new innoventions. All
> > this works to push the industry to a higher level.
> > So next time you're outside and hear someone drive by, just remember
> > that he can probably hear not only your lawnmower, but also your
stock
>
> > soundsystem.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Fitzy
> >
> > PS. I guess i just reflect our state's motto. "Live free or die"
>
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>

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:29:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Tourge
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

What is the difference if some one puts alot of time & money into their
vehicle to make it sound good? If you are saying a truck shouldn't have a
high performance stereo system, then it shouldn't have a high performance
engine. Or you shouldn't alter it cosmeticly in anyway right? Let's stop
crying about penis size, decible level, angry neighbors, & hearing aids.

If someone wants to put time & money into their truck so they can enjoy it
more, whose to stop them. I have had high power stereo equipment in all my
vehicles. Mine is no where near 170dB, but it is the right amount of power
to feel the bass (which if done right is what is supposed to happen).

If we can't have sound-off competitions then we can't have truck shows,
drag races, or other tests of performance right? Open up your minds.

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On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, mark fitzgerald wrote:

> I don't even know why i read just an infantile response. It was
> obviously written by someone who is ultimately close minded and who
> lives life making unnecessary generalizations. It's not even worth it
> to refute his opinions on the matter as anybody i've shown his letter
> to ends up laughing at him.
> I just feel bad that everybody else on the list had to read his BS.
> Let's see if he's man enough to let this issue fade away or does he
> need to proclaim his superiority in brain and penile size again?
>
> Best regards,
> Fitzy
>
>
> ---Mike Fisher wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of prolonging this guy's ridiculous argument, I wonder
> if he
> > has
> > ever stopped to think that maybe he could listen to his music at home
> > rather
> > than driving around? I occasionally like to crank my music too, but I
> > don't
> > want to listen to the s**t that most people think is music these days,
> > and I
> > won't force my choice of music on them. A compact truck tends to only
> > somewhat muffle the sound, as mosy have very little, if any, effective
> > insulation.
> >
> > Comparing the noise that a lawn mower makes to somebody's stereo is
> > ridiculous anyway. A lawn mower is something that is an essential part
> > of
> > home ownership, while to say the least, a stereo is a luxury.
> >
> > The thing that bothers me the most here is what his idea of a
> > "reasonable"
> > sound level would be. If a stereo is really capable of producing 170dB
> > (which, BTW, I believe is impossible without serious distortion)
> then he
> >
> > really won't have much hearing left after a few days anyway. Of
> course,
> > if
> > he's deaf, then any distortion that appears will only be heard by
> > whoever he
> > chooses to annoy.
> >
> > As for sound competitions furthering the development of new sound
> > technology, hogwash. The sound that is created by good stereo
> equipment
> > these days is as good as it gets. Sound competitions are for guys with
> > small
> > brains and small penises.
> >
> > mark fitzgerald wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> > > You're right, 170db is about as loud as an orchestra. Just to put
> this
> >
> > > in check, that means that your lawnmower is about 100-120db.
> (provided
> >
> > > you mow your lawn) Now i know i can hear your lawnmower from more
> than
> >
> > > 50 feet away. I live up in northern NH where we don't even have
> street
> >
> > > lights.
> > > My town is the ultimate definition of hickville. We too have the "50
> > > foot" rule. However, the local police force here has stopped using
> it
> > > b/c they recognize it as BS. From the hours of 8am until 10pm, the
> > > sound ordinance in our town is curbed. Therefore people are
> allowed to
> >
> > > mow their lawn, etc etc etc.....During this time, why would it not
> be
> > > acceptable to play my music to a volume that i deem reasonable? Do
> you
> >
> > > or your neighbors have a heavy duty muffler on your lawnmower? i
> think
> >
> > > not. Therefore why should i go around and lessen my enjoyment and
> turn
> >
> > > down my volume?
> > > As for where and why should sound systems be played at 170db's of
> > > sound? By placing a stereo system in a car you are trying to create
> > > staging and acoustical resonance in a something equivalent to a
> metal
> > > box with a few pieces of plastic. By getting a soundsystem to play
> > > recognizable sounds at that level is not only amazing, but it's an
> > > incredible feat of engineering. Sound-offs, or sound competitions
> > > prove to be staging grounds for new ideas and new innoventions. All
> > > this works to push the industry to a higher level.
> > > So next time you're outside and hear someone drive by, just remember
> > > that he can probably hear not only your lawnmower, but also your
> stock
> >
> > > soundsystem.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Fitzy
> > >
> > > PS. I guess i just reflect our state's motto. "Live free or die"
> >
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> >
>
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> >
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 19:13:15 -0500
From: Mike Fisher
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

Sorry, Fitzy, but I think you're the one that's being infantile here. How
old are you, 16? Just because you have the right to deafen yourself doesn't
mean that you have the right to annoy everyone else with your choices in
entertainment.

Yes, I am man enough to let it fade away, but are you? Better than that, are
you man enough to admit that that your choices are not necessarily those
everyone else might choose? Not only do you choose what everyone else should
listen to, but you choose that they get an unlistenable, distorted version
of it. Have you ever listened to 170dB (yeah, right) from the outside of
your own truck. I'll bet every piece of trim is buzzing and ready to fall
off, isn't it?

Oh, and learn to punctuate and use capital letters where appropriate from
now on, too.

Worst Regards,

Mike Fisher

mark fitzgerald wrote:

> I don't even know why i read just an infantile response. It was
> obviously written by someone who is ultimately close minded and who
> lives life making unnecessary generalizations. It's not even worth it
> to refute his opinions on the matter as anybody i've shown his letter
> to ends up laughing at him.
> I just feel bad that everybody else on the list had to read his BS.
> Let's see if he's man enough to let this issue fade away or does he
> need to proclaim his superiority in brain and penile size again?
>
> Best regards,
> Fitzy
>
> ---Mike Fisher wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of prolonging this guy's ridiculous argument, I wonder
> if he
> > has
> > ever stopped to think that maybe he could listen to his music at home
> > rather
> > than driving around? I occasionally like to crank my music too, but I
> > don't
> > want to listen to the s**t that most people think is music these days,
> > and I
> > won't force my choice of music on them. A compact truck tends to only
> > somewhat muffle the sound, as mosy have very little, if any, effective
> > insulation.
> >
> > Comparing the noise that a lawn mower makes to somebody's stereo is
> > ridiculous anyway. A lawn mower is something that is an essential part
> > of
> > home ownership, while to say the least, a stereo is a luxury.
> >
> > The thing that bothers me the most here is what his idea of a
> > "reasonable"
> > sound level would be. If a stereo is really capable of producing 170dB
> > (which, BTW, I believe is impossible without serious distortion)
> then he
> >
> > really won't have much hearing left after a few days anyway. Of
> course,
> > if
> > he's deaf, then any distortion that appears will only be heard by
> > whoever he
> > chooses to annoy.
> >
> > As for sound competitions furthering the development of new sound
> > technology, hogwash. The sound that is created by good stereo
> equipment
> > these days is as good as it gets. Sound competitions are for guys with
> > small
> > brains and small penises.
> >
> > mark fitzgerald wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> > > You're right, 170db is about as loud as an orchestra. Just to put
> this
> >
> > > in check, that means that your lawnmower is about 100-120db.
> (provided
> >
> > > you mow your lawn) Now i know i can hear your lawnmower from more
> than
> >
> > > 50 feet away. I live up in northern NH where we don't even have
> street
> >
> > > lights.
> > > My town is the ultimate definition of hickville. We too have the "50
> > > foot" rule. However, the local police force here has stopped using
> it
> > > b/c they recognize it as BS. From the hours of 8am until 10pm, the
> > > sound ordinance in our town is curbed. Therefore people are
> allowed to
> >
> > > mow their lawn, etc etc etc.....During this time, why would it not
> be
> > > acceptable to play my music to a volume that i deem reasonable? Do
> you
> >
> > > or your neighbors have a heavy duty muffler on your lawnmower? i
> think
> >
> > > not. Therefore why should i go around and lessen my enjoyment and
> turn
> >
> > > down my volume?
> > > As for where and why should sound systems be played at 170db's of
> > > sound? By placing a stereo system in a car you are trying to create
> > > staging and acoustical resonance in a something equivalent to a
> metal
> > > box with a few pieces of plastic. By getting a soundsystem to play
> > > recognizable sounds at that level is not only amazing, but it's an
> > > incredible feat of engineering. Sound-offs, or sound competitions
> > > prove to be staging grounds for new ideas and new innoventions. All
> > > this works to push the industry to a higher level.
> > > So next time you're outside and hear someone drive by, just remember
> > > that he can probably hear not only your lawnmower, but also your
> stock
> >
> > > soundsystem.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Fitzy
> > >
> > > PS. I guess i just reflect our state's motto. "Live free or die"
> >
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> >
>
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