small-list-digest Saturday, May 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 150



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Ticking
RE: FTE Small - RE: FTE 3.0 will NOT beat a 4.0L
FTE Small - My rear window for sale
FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0
Re: FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0
Re: FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0
FTE Small - 4.0L - VS - 3.0/2.9L
Re: FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0
Re: FTE Small - Ticking
RE: FTE Small - RE: FTE 3.0 will NOT beat a 4.0L
Re: FTE Small - Ticking

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 06:05:54 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ticking

In a message dated 5/29/98 3:12:20 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
FrdRngrLvr aol.com writes:

> Ok I have a 90 with the 2.9, she has now got a tempemrntal tick, when she
rns
> up past 45 she is fine, for the whole day but, it is almost like the oil
is
> not getting spread around eneough, but the kicker it that after she runs at
> highway speeds for a while she starts to do it agian and then it takes a
> while
> for her to calm down agian..Anyu Ideas?
>
My 87 2.9 does the same thing and i'm still looking for answers. I can tell
you that it gets worse. My does it now more often than not, but it started out
like yours.
D Baken
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:47:23 -0500
From: John Cassis
Subject: RE: FTE Small - RE: FTE 3.0 will NOT beat a 4.0L

Not to get into a pissing match but get real. Either that or get your foot
in it. It's comment like that about the 3.0 that give people the wrong idea
about the motor. If your diesel VW is faster than your 3.0 Ranger maybe you
should take it in and have it tuned up.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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From: Diana Slyter [SMTP:dianas primenet.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 10:57 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE: FTE 3.0 will NOT beat a 4.0L

I own a 3.0 Ranger, and it's barely faster than my 52 horsepower VW Golf
Diesel. The Ranger needs to two or three stops for gas for every one the
diesel makes, so overall performance is about identical.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:40:27, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: FTE Small - My rear window for sale

Are you still interested in my rear slider out of my '98?

Josh
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:11:33 PDT
From: "Mike *"
Subject: FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0

Someone said that there are other alternatives to a 4.0 ... The only one
I know of is a 5.0 ... My brother had a 91 with a 3.0 5 speed in it and
he did exhaust and filter (which I know isnt that much). I had just
raised my 94 and put 31's on it. I didn't have gears done at the time.
We raced and I still took him down.

There is no substitute for cubic inches. If I spend as much money on my
4.0 as you spend on your 3.0 I will go faster ... period. I can actually
probably get away cheaper because there are more performance parts for
the 4.0.

Even if you build the hell out of a 4.0 its gonna have a hard time
competing with a mildly built 5.0. The only drawback to the 5.0 is
weight and Im not really sure about the actual difference. Eventually,
when somthing major breaks Im going with a 5.0 swap. That can give me
power and reliablity.

BTW the 3.0 and the 4.0 in the real world (not on the Ford sticker) get
about the same mileage.

PyRo

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:22:13 -0400
From: "Joe Merchak"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0

You must of been pick on when you were a kid
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From: Mike *
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Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 2:12 PM
Subject: FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0


>Someone said that there are other alternatives to a 4.0 ... The only one
>I know of is a 5.0 ... My brother had a 91 with a 3.0 5 speed in it and
>he did exhaust and filter (which I know isnt that much). I had just
>raised my 94 and put 31's on it. I didn't have gears done at the time.
>We raced and I still took him down.
>
>There is no substitute for cubic inches. If I spend as much money on my
>4.0 as you spend on your 3.0 I will go faster ... period. I can actually
>probably get away cheaper because there are more performance parts for
>the 4.0.
>
>Even if you build the hell out of a 4.0 its gonna have a hard time
>competing with a mildly built 5.0. The only drawback to the 5.0 is
>weight and Im not really sure about the actual difference. Eventually,
>when somthing major breaks Im going with a 5.0 swap. That can give me
>power and reliablity.
>
>BTW the 3.0 and the 4.0 in the real world (not on the Ford sticker) get
>about the same mileage.
>
>PyRo
>
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:36:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0

At 03:22 PM 5/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>You must of been pick on when you were a kid
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Please keep the cut-downs off the lists.

Ken Payne, aka, Grinch
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:38:22 -0700
From: "André E. Benguerel"
Subject: FTE Small - 4.0L - VS - 3.0/2.9L

I think most people would agree that there is no substitute for cubic inches!
It is my opinion that only a highly modified 3.0L could be faster than a 4.0L.
I thought my truck was slow (coming from a sports car) until I drove a 3.0L,
what a dog! The 4.0L is also known for excellent torque figures in the lower
RPM range. Whowever, smaller displacements usually spin higher RPM's, so it's
not impossible. It's sad that Ford doesn't offer a V-8 (like the 4.6L) in the
Ranger, now that would be a truck - watch out S-10 ZR-2, and Dakota V-8 owners!

Andre E. Benguerel

1995 Ford Ranger 4 X4 SC
4.0L V6, OD Auto, Xlt
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:36:22 -0500
From: Mike Fisher
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 3.0 Vs 4.0

I agree. Let's stop having a small person's big contest and start talking
about REAL motors (read 5.0)

Mike Fisher

Mike * wrote:

> Someone said that there are other alternatives to a 4.0 ... The only one
> I know of is a 5.0 ... My brother had a 91 with a 3.0 5 speed in it and
> he did exhaust and filter (which I know isnt that much). I had just
> raised my 94 and put 31's on it. I didn't have gears done at the time.
> We raced and I still took him down.
>
> There is no substitute for cubic inches. If I spend as much money on my
> 4.0 as you spend on your 3.0 I will go faster ... period. I can actually
> probably get away cheaper because there are more performance parts for
> the 4.0.
>
> Even if you build the hell out of a 4.0 its gonna have a hard time
> competing with a mildly built 5.0. The only drawback to the 5.0 is
> weight and Im not really sure about the actual difference. Eventually,
> when somthing major breaks Im going with a 5.0 swap. That can give me
> power and reliablity.
>
> BTW the 3.0 and the 4.0 in the real world (not on the Ford sticker) get
> about the same mileage.
>
> PyRo
>
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:32:55 EDT
From: Jckarkka aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ticking

In a message dated 98-05-29 06:07:27 EDT, Bakend aol.com writes:


rns
> up past 45 she is fine, for the whole day but, it is almost like the oil
is
> not getting spread around eneough, but the kicker it that after she runs
at
> highway speeds for a while she starts to do it agian and then it takes a
> while
> for her to calm down agian..Anyu Ideas?
>
My 87 2.9 does the same thing and i'm still looking for answers. I can tell
you that it gets worse. My does it now more often than not, but it started
out
like yours. >>
Are you sure it's the lifters? My 88 2.9L Bronco II makes a relatively loud
ticking at idle, and my 88 4.0L Aerostar has a light tick. I believe both
are noisy injectors, not valve lifters.

Try holding a long screwdriver to the fuel rail with the other end at your ear
to trace the noise to its source.

Alan K.
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:17:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: Diana Slyter
Subject: RE: FTE Small - RE: FTE 3.0 will NOT beat a 4.0L

My experience comes from running the two vehicles down similsr roads and
noting that the 3.0's passing acceleration, hill climbing ability, etc. is
about the same as the VW diesel. For example, the diesel will pull a 3
percent upgrade at 75 mph, and an 8 percenter at about 50 mph. The 3.0 can
barely better these figures. Why? The VW can probably deliver at least 90
percent of it's 52 hp to the road thanks to it's low parasitic losses. A
recent magazine test reported that the 3.0 delivered only 85 or so hp to
the road. The VW weights 2400 pounds, the Ranger nearly 4000. Go figure...

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On Fri, 29 May 1998, John Cassis wrote:

> Not to get into a pissing match but get real. Either that or get your foot
> in it. It's comment like that about the 3.0 that give people the wrong idea
> about the motor. If your diesel VW is faster than your 3.0 Ranger maybe you
> should take it in and have it tuned up.
>
> John Cassis
> 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diana Slyter [SMTP:dianas primenet.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 10:57 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE: FTE 3.0 will NOT beat a 4.0L
>
> I own a 3.0 Ranger, and it's barely faster than my 52 horsepower VW Golf
> Diesel. The Ranger needs to two or three stops for gas for every one the
> diesel makes, so overall performance is about identical.
>
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 05:41:25 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ticking

In a message dated 5/29/98 7:38:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Jckarkka aol.com
writes:
> Are you sure it's the lifters? My 88 2.9L Bronco II makes a relatively
loud
> ticking at idle, and my 88 4.0L Aerostar has a light tick. I believe both
> are noisy injectors, not valve lifters.
>
> Try holding a long screwdriver to the fuel rail with the other end at your
> ear
> to trace the noise to its source.
>

That is a good idea, and one I hadn't thought of. I have however traced the
noise to the lifters and adjusted the noisey one till quiet. It worked for a
while but then the noise came back. I have the new cam and lifters ordered and
hope to have them installed in about two weeks. I will report the results to
the list.
D Baken
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