small-list-digest Friday, July 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 183



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
FTE Small - Re: rough idles....
Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
FTE Small - Questions from Germany
Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
Re: FTE Small - 5.0 or 351W
FTE Small - ranger baby seats
Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:42:49 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

C'mon guys you are going to start a war with posts like these. Lets just
say that we all have difrent tastes and some like it loader than hell and
some dont - enough said!!

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From: Richard [SMTP:rgstein pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:43 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

MindEfx wrote:

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:14:05 EDT
From: MindEfx aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: a caution

Hmm..i have 600 true watts of power in my truck, as long as i dont drive
around blasting it all day my ears feel fine. In fact, the only time i
turn
it up real loud is when i am not in it. Thats all it comes down too,
look at
the pros, their systems are capable of 170+ dBs and they seem to be
ok..its
all about volume control...
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Richard's Reply:

My second -- and directly personal concern about strong automotive sound
systems -- is the effects that they often have upon the rest of us.
170dB, if I remember correctly, is louder than an entire orchestra.

I need assurance that I will not be forced to endure the blasting of
other peoples' audio systems. Here in California, we have a state law
that a vehicle's sound system must not be audible at a distance of 50
feet. The reason for this law is that most of the rest of us prefer
peace and quiet, and may want to listen to our own taste in music
without being jarred by a loud sound from a passing truck.

With this in mind, I'm curious to know under what conditions anyone
would crank up their truck system without disturbing others.

Richard

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:56:28 -0400
From: "Lou Guerriero"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: rough idles....

Quoted text


The truck seems to run well around town, but I notice a hesitation or
stumble at highway speeds - feels like a gusty headwind. The problem is
intermittant (oh great) - the truck runs fine for a few miles, "stumbles"
for a few miles, runs fine ... The "stumble" is accompanied by black smoke

End Quoted Text

I've see this problem before too, it's probably one of a few small
things...

A) Throttle body is sticking and needs cleaning
B) Air Filter?
C) O2 sensor is dirty and needs cleaning. They often get clogged.

Good luck!

Lou Guerriero
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark fitzgerald
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

Richard,
You're right, 170db is about as loud as an orchestra. Just to put this
in check, that means that your lawnmower is about 100-120db. (provided
you mow your lawn) Now i know i can hear your lawnmower from more than
50 feet away. I live up in northern NH where we don't even have street
lights.
My town is the ultimate definition of hickville. We too have the "50
foot" rule. However, the local police force here has stopped using it
b/c they recognize it as BS. From the hours of 8am until 10pm, the
sound ordinance in our town is curbed. Therefore people are allowed to
mow their lawn, etc etc etc.....During this time, why would it not be
acceptable to play my music to a volume that i deem reasonable? Do you
or your neighbors have a heavy duty muffler on your lawnmower? i think
not. Therefore why should i go around and lessen my enjoyment and turn
down my volume?
As for where and why should sound systems be played at 170db's of
sound? By placing a stereo system in a car you are trying to create
staging and acoustical resonance in a something equivalent to a metal
box with a few pieces of plastic. By getting a soundsystem to play
recognizable sounds at that level is not only amazing, but it's an
incredible feat of engineering. Sound-offs, or sound competitions
prove to be staging grounds for new ideas and new innoventions. All
this works to push the industry to a higher level.
So next time you're outside and hear someone drive by, just remember
that he can probably hear not only your lawnmower, but also your stock
soundsystem.

Best regards,
Fitzy

PS. I guess i just reflect our state's motto. "Live free or die"

> Richard's Reply:
>
> My second -- and directly personal concern about strong automotive
sound
> systems -- is the effects that they often have upon the rest of us.
> 170dB, if I remember correctly, is louder than an entire orchestra.
>
> I need assurance that I will not be forced to endure the blasting of
> other peoples' audio systems. Here in California, we have a state law
> that a vehicle's sound system must not be audible at a distance of 50
> feet. The reason for this law is that most of the rest of us prefer
> peace and quiet, and may want to listen to our own taste in music
> without being jarred by a loud sound from a passing truck.
>
> With this in mind, I'm curious to know under what conditions anyone
> would crank up their truck system without disturbing others.
>
> Richard
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:38:45 +0200
From: "todd and mignon"
Subject: FTE Small - Questions from Germany

I'm stationed at Spangdahlem AB, Germany and have so far been unable to
find any organized group of Ford Truck enthusiasts or any off-road clubs to
participate in, any info on where to find some groups of this kind would be
much appreciated. Thanks a lot.

MTD Silyn-Tek.de
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:57:43 -0600
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

I think 170 dB is probably a stretch. For reference, here's some typical
real world dB levels:

Power Equiv.: dB:
Ram Jet 100,000+ 180

TurboJet w/7,000 lbs thrust 10,000 170

Four prop airliner 1,00 150

75 piece ochestra, pipe organ, shotgun blast, firecrackers
or small aircraft engine 10 140

Jackhammer, rock concert
or Boeing 707 at 350 feet 1 130
Piano, blaring radio,
or a Boeing 747 at 1,000 feet .1 120
Centrifugal vent fan .01 110
Car on highway, lawnmower .001 100
Subway car, air drill .0001 90
Converation, traffic .00001 80
Street noise, average radio .000001 70
Typical office .0000001 60
Whisper .000000001 40
Theshold of hearing 20

Based on: dB = 10 log P1/P2 = 20 log V1/V2

Ref: Standard Handbook of Engineering Calculations, Tyler Hicks, 1995

For example, if you were running a 200 Watt amp (at 150 dB) and increased
that to a 20,000 Watt amp, that would gain you the 20dB to 170dB. But, it
would be draining directly through a truck's electical system. That would
require more than just a second alternator and battery or a long extension
cord. That's 1,380 Amps at 14.5 Volts, 267 Amps at 75 Volts or 167 Amps at
120 Volts.

>Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 22:43:15 -0700
>From: Richard
>Subject: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration
>
>MindEfx wrote:
>
>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:14:05 EDT
>From: MindEfx aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: a caution
>
>Hmm..i have 600 true watts of power in my truck, as long as i dont drive
>around blasting it all day my ears feel fine. In fact, the only time i
>turn
>it up real loud is when i am not in it. Thats all it comes down too,
>look at
>the pros, their systems are capable of 170+ dBs and they seem to be
>ok..its
>all about volume control...
>- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Richard's Reply:
>
>My second -- and directly personal concern about strong automotive sound
>systems -- is the effects that they often have upon the rest of us.
>170dB, if I remember correctly, is louder than an entire orchestra.
>
>I need assurance that I will not be forced to endure the blasting of
>other peoples' audio systems. Here in California, we have a state law
>that a vehicle's sound system must not be audible at a distance of 50
>feet. The reason for this law is that most of the rest of us prefer
>peace and quiet, and may want to listen to our own taste in music
>without being jarred by a loud sound from a passing truck.
>
>With this in mind, I'm curious to know under what conditions anyone
>would crank up their truck system without disturbing others.
>
>Richard
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:53:47 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 5.0 or 351W

Ken Payne wrote:
>
Thanks to everyone for their help, although I'm still not sure if the
4.0L AOD trans works with a 5.0 yet, anyone know?

It would not last very long against the extra torque and horsepower. You
will have to change trannies too. But your rear end should be fine.
Advanced adaptors has a kit to make the swap. You can ask them or maybe
call racer walsh and ask them about the tranny and see what they think.
Summit racing done this engine swap last year or the year before so they
might also give you some insight to the task. There truck was 5.0 6
speed(I think) and a digital dash!
Hope I helped
Chris


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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 17:50:03 -0400
From: Bruce Kimball
Subject: FTE Small - ranger baby seats

Thanks to everyone who had suggestions for having a baby seat in a
ranger/extra cab. There were many varied responses and its amazing how
differently people can look at a problem and find a solution!

Just so that you are not in suspense, we broke down and got an Explorer. Not
just because of the baby on the way, but we also have a Black Lab dog, and
getting him and the baby in the same truck would have been just a little to
crazy. Plus, where to put the diapers (well, I know the dirty ones would
have been out back fer sure!)
the stroller, etc......?

Thanks to everyone! Just goes to show that the e-mail-list really helps!

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:28:03 EDT
From: MindEfx aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Amplifiers: The Second Consideration

Ok, I knew someone would have to doubt me...so here it goes. The person who
has that car is Danny Britain, he used 6 Orion Concept 97.3 amps, and 18 Orion
2NT SVC woofers...the official record he set was 172dB, his total wattage
output is somewhere in the 5000 watt catagory. By the way, a normal car would
not be able to handle that kind of sound presure. The floor was reinforsed
with steel...the roof, doors, and front and rear windows were reinforsed with....


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