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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!
FTE Small - translation of French message
Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!
Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!
Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!
Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!
FTE Small - Please!
FTE Small - Rattling Ranger Door Panels Fixed
FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger
Re: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger
Re: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger
Re: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger
Re: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger
Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!
Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!
FTE Small - Fw:
Re: FTE Small - V8 Aerostar
FTE Small - Re: V8 in Aerostar

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:49:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: EI - Michael Ioco
Subject: Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!

Anybody else think that Ken should be banned from FTE for thoughts likes this?
I think it's unacceptable behavior....

> From owner-small-list ford-trucks.com Wed Sep 23 21:07 EDT 1998
> From: KLESNANSKY aol.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:53:52 EDT
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Subject: FTE Small - i have a thought!!
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>
> I know a lot of people in this list have or are going to put a 5.0 in their
> ranger's, But has anyone considered a turbo diesel? I was thinking maybe like
> taking a ram, forgive me, 3/4 ton or maybe 1 ton and attaching the bodies of
> the ranger to the ram's frame and suspension. I figure by changing the front
> fenders to a fiberglass version that has much wider openings. And by cutting
> the rear wheelwells out a bit. I should be able to fit a 35" at stock height.
> Any thoughts? I spend a lot of time on the road just thinking, another way to
> stay awake, on how I could improve the off road ability of my truck. Maybe I
> wouldn't be the fastest up the hill or through the mud, but I could almost
> always pull anything. With this setup. The only problem I could see is how
> to get the steering to fit properly. I know the body mounts would have to be
> one-offs. Any thoughts would be appreciated
>
> Ken
> 95 Ranger 4x4 stx, soon to have 33" YIPPY :-)
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:47:11 -0500
From: "John L. Winkler"
Subject: FTE Small - translation of French message

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:36:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Translation?

Can someone translate this?

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

>
>Bonjour,
>Je m'appelle Eric LEROY, j'habite =E0 BRUXELLES (Belgium) et je roule avec=
un
>Ford F-150 (4.9 liters EFI) model 1988.

Hello - my name is Eric Leroy, I live in Brussels, and I drive a 1998 f-150.

>C'est un vehicule d'occasion sp=E9cialement import=E9 des USA. Il n'y a=
presque
>pas de voitures comme =E7a en Europe,
>et il n'est pas facile d'avoir des pi=E8ces de rechanges.

It's a used vehicle, specially imported from the US. There are hardly
any cars like this in Europe and it's not easy to find replacement
pieces for it.


>Il existe chez les dealers FORD U.S.A. un livre avec toutes les pi=E8ces de
>rechange, un dessin et le serial number pour les commander.
>Pouvez vous me dire si cela existe sur CD ROM ?

There's a book available from US Ford dealers that has all the replacement
parts, and a drawing and serial number to order them. Can you tell me
if this exists on CDROM?

>
>Merci beaucoups

Thank you very much.



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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:01:45 -0500
From: mercury
Subject: Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!

KLESNANSKY aol.com wrote:
>
> I know a lot of people in this list have or are going to put a 5.0 in their
> ranger's, But has anyone considered a turbo diesel? I was thinking maybe like
> taking a ram, forgive me, 3/4 ton or maybe 1 ton and attaching the bodies of
> the ranger to the ram's frame and suspension. I figure by changing the front
> fenders to a fiberglass version that has much wider openings. And by cutting
> the rear wheelwells out a bit. I should be able to fit a 35" at stock height.
> Any thoughts? I spend a lot of time on the road just thinking, another way to
> stay awake, on how I could improve the off road ability of my truck. Maybe I
> wouldn't be the fastest up the hill or through the mud, but I could almost
> always pull anything. With this setup. The only problem I could see is how
> to get the steering to fit properly. I know the body mounts would have to be
> one-offs. Any thoughts would be appreciated
>
> Ken
> 95 Ranger 4x4 stx, soon to have 33" YIPPY :-)
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it's a lot easier than it sounds to do all that we have put three
different vehicles up on different chassis. thye mounts are easy,and the
steering is complicated in some,but almost a direct bolt up in others.
most performance shops sell u-joins for the steering shaft that make it
real easy,but they get expensive.
a couple of pillow blocks,and a couple u-joints will normally hook up
any steering.
no tight bends,and no 'hanging' direction changes are pretty much the
only rules you have to follow.


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:07:40 -0800
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!

EI - Michael Ioco wrote:
>
> Anybody else think that Ken should be banned from FTE for thoughts likes this?
> I think it's unacceptable behavior....


no way... for dedicated rock crawlers, the diesel is a big turn on.
Since the majority of the time you want MAJOR torque & little speed.
Every 6 months or so, the Early Bronco list I am on goes through a
discussion of which diesel motors will fit into the engine bay.

There are more things to do in a Ranger than driving really fast in a
straight line for 1/4 mile!
- --
Thom Cheney
Early Bronco Entertainment
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.EarlyBroncoEnt.com

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:17:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!

At 07:49 AM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Anybody else think that Ken should be banned from FTE for thoughts likes
this?
>I think it's unacceptable behavior....
>

I was going to hold off till tonight to distribute this to all the
lists but your posting warrants it. I think you'll find the following
to be rather ironic...

I got this email today:
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---
Hello,

To all Ford Truck Enthusiasts. Check the Ford Argentina web page at
www.ford.com.ar and see the super 4-door Ford Ranger 4x4 manufactured
in Argentina including a turbo diesel engine.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
First click "PRODUCTOS", then click "Utilitarios", then click "Ranger"
and finally click "publiidades" (advertising). Enjoy those different
ad slicks.

When the 4-door Ranger will reach the US roads?

Bye.

Roberto Busel
rbusel reuna.cl


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:50:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: EI - Michael Ioco
Subject: Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!

I agree completely! But let the 2-wheel drive gang do their thing.

My problem wasn't the diesel. More power to you for that. But don't get started
with m*par. How about a Powerstroke?

I'd love to see a bronco or a ranger sitting on 35's with a fat 5inch pipe in
back and a turbo diesel under the hood.

> From owner-small-list ford-trucks.com Thu Sep 24 11:41 EDT 1998
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:07:40 -0800
> From: Thom Cheney
>
> EI - Michael Ioco wrote:
> >
> > Anybody else think that Ken should be banned from FTE for thoughts likes
this?
> > I think it's unacceptable behavior....
>
>
> no way... for dedicated rock crawlers, the diesel is a big turn on.
> Since the majority of the time you want MAJOR torque & little speed.
> Every 6 months or so, the Early Bronco list I am on goes through a
> discussion of which diesel motors will fit into the engine bay.
>
> There are more things to do in a Ranger than driving really fast in a
> straight line for 1/4 mile!
> --
> Thom Cheney
> Early Bronco Entertainment
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.EarlyBroncoEnt.com
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:57:01 -0700
From: "André E. Benguerel"
Subject: FTE Small - Please!

Alan,

Give me a break! I am neither
affiliated nor receive royalty
checks from Kurtz. It's just a
great product I thought others
might like to know about.

Andre E. Benguerel

1995 Ford Ranger 4 X4 SC
4.0L V6, OD Auto, Xlt

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:44:14 -0400
From: "Anthony Rifici"
Subject: FTE Small - Rattling Ranger Door Panels Fixed

Every Ranger I rode in had interior door panels that rattled or
squeaked. Mine was no exception, but I think it was worse than most. Every
bump, highway divider, or even turn would cause the panels to make noise.
The panels had rubbed against the door so much that they wore through the
paint. Pushing on or resting your knee on the black plastic insert that
houses the power window/lock switches would produce sounds that made you
think the whole panel was going top shatter. Driving to work in the
morning, when everything is quiet outside was nerve-racking.

I finally got rid of the rattles and squeak coming from the door panels.
It has been 3,000 miles of quiet Ranger. I thought I would share the fix I
came up with if anybody is interested.

The fix did not damage any part of the truck and cost less than $20.

I wrote it up as a Word document because it would be to lengthy to write
here, but the server rejected it, so I pasted it in under my closing. Sorry
about the long post.

=============>> Tony
94 Ranger Supercab, 4.0L,
5-Speed
>>>>Go BUCKS, #1 Team in the Nation

Fix for Rattling Interior Door Panels (based on a 94 Ranger)

My goal in this fix was to solve the problem without permanently damaging or
altering any part of the truck so that it could be returned to original
condition if the fix didn’t work. I tried 4 or 5 fixes before I came to this
one.

The rattle is caused by 3 problems.

- -Plastic to metal contact/rubbing of the plastic door panel to the metal
door.

- -Plastic to plastic contact of the black insert surrounding the handle to
the plastic door panel.

- -Plastic to plastic contact of the door panel stiffeners to the door panel.

Plastic to plastic contact of the door panel stiffeners to the door panel:
If you take off the interior door panel and look at the other side of it,
you will see a couple of large plastic attached to the main panel. The are
held on by plastic welds (where the two pieces are melted together) in
several places. The problem is that everywhere there is not a weld, the
stiffener is free to rub against the main panel. Twist the door panel while
it is off and you will see what I am talking about. Unfortunately, this
cannot be glued into place or otherwise fixed without drilling out the
plastic welds. I was not willing to damage the panel, so I left this alone.
Fortunately, this problem has a very small contribution to the whole and can
only be heard if you press firmly on the bottom half of the door panel while
it is on the truck.

Plastic to plastic contact of the black piece surrounding the handle to the
door panel: This was a very large part of the problem. The black insert
(which holds the power switchgear) is simply snapped into place on the main
door panel. There are a lot of places for it to rub the main panel. The
problem with fixing this part is that there is not room to get anything like
foam rubber or weather-stripping between the two panels. Keeping with the
goal of a completely removable fix, I decided to create a gasket between the
pieces. I used 100% silicone sealant (DAP CLEAR Silicone Plus), like you
would use to caulk your bathtub. I cleaned the panel with Isopropyl to
remove any dust. Then I rubbed the sealant onto the main panel with my
finger and covered all surfaces that might come into contact with the black
insert with a thin coat of sealant. I let it dry without putting the black
insert back on, because I did not want to glue them together. When it was
dry (24h), it is pretty much clear and effectively rubberizes that part of
the panel. The best part is that it can be rubbed off with a fingernail you
mess up. Now the black insert rides up against a silicone backing which
absorbs the contact.

Plastic to metal contact/rubbing of the plastic door panel to the metal
door: This was the worst problem for me. The panel had actually worn through
the paint on my door. This is caused by some sharp edges on the plastic
panel. First, I lightly broke the edges with my Dremel and re-installed the
panel. The improvement was incredible, the squeaking was virtually
eliminated, but some rattling remained. This could have been an easy fix
with some foam rubber weatherstripping except for the fact that the panel
slides into position on the door instead of using snaps. Everything I tried
to but between the plastic panel and the metal door got sheared off when I
slid the panel down on the door to lock it into place. After several tries,
I had a talk with my local rubber manufacturer and checked out his products
until I found something that would work. I bought 30’ of 1/8" Extruded
Rubber U-channel. The U-channel fits over the lip on the plastic door panel
and provides the effect I was looking for. I cut the channel to length and
lined the edge of the panel with it. Rubber is usually sold with a dry
lubricant on it to prevent it from sticking together (typically soap), this
needs to be washed off so it will not slide on the plastic panel (dish soap
and water will do). Then I greased the rubber (were still talking about the
truck) and the metal door where it would contact with Vaseline. This allows
it to slide without grabbing the rubber. Put the panel on and with a few
adjustments, slid it into place. It would require fewer adjustments if the
rubber was glued to the plastic panel, but I didn’t want to go to the store
again. The rubber looks like it belongs there and can be shined up with a
little Armor All.

3,000 miles later, the squeaks and rattles are still gone. I have driven it
over every set of railroad tracks, uneven pavement, and curb I could find
and cannot get it to rattle. Finally peace and quiet!!!!

If your going to try this you need:


1 Tube of clear 100% silicone sealant (DAP CLEAR SILICONE PLUS) $4

1 Bottle of Isopropyl alcohol $0.70

1 Jar of generic Vaseline $2

20’ 1/8" Extruded Rubber U-Channel, I bought 30’ for $8

(Get rubber that is flexible enough to go around corners, but stiff enough
so that the channel doesn’t collapse. Also, make sure it is rated for the
temperature gradient your truck will see)

----Probably some glue for the U-channel to door panel

- ------------------------------------------------Total of $15-$20


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:02:36 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger

Is the 4 door Ranger an extra cab with 2 suicide doors or is it like a
Ranger Crew Cab. With a full size back seat and 2 rear doors like on a full
size crew cab?

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:32:59 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger

At 01:02 PM 9/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Is the 4 door Ranger an extra cab with 2 suicide doors or is it like a
>Ranger Crew Cab. With a full size back seat and 2 rear doors like on a full
>size crew cab?
>-----

>From what I've seen it's the latter...a supercab with 2 unnecessary doors.

Alan Wilson


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:31:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: EI - Michael Ioco
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger

yes, the 4 door rangers are supercabs with "suicide style" doors. The entire
line up of Ford Supercab trucks for 99 feature 4 doors like this. You're still
looking at jump seats in the rear.


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> From: cassis
> To: "'Ford Trucks 80 & Up'"
> Subject: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:02:36 -0700
>
> Is the 4 door Ranger an extra cab with 2 suicide doors or is it like a
> Ranger Crew Cab. With a full size back seat and 2 rear doors like on a full
> size crew cab?
>
> John Cassis
> 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:14:43 -0400
From: pms2
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger

I wouldn't necessarily call the 2 doors unnecessary. I've had the no
doors supercab and now the 4 door supercab and I have to say, the 4
doors is almost a necessity now. Makes access to the super cab area
extremely convenient and more usable. As for use as a passenger
area...that's another story. No long trips for adults for sure, but for
a trip to the store it's ok.

To the first message writer, the 4 door Ranger's doors are the suicide
style. There are two jump seats that fold up out of the way.

Phil

Alan Wilson wrote:
>
> At 01:02 PM 9/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Is the 4 door Ranger an extra cab with 2 suicide doors or is it like a
> >Ranger Crew Cab. With a full size back seat and 2 rear doors like on a full
> >size crew cab?
> >-----
>
> >From what I've seen it's the latter...a supercab with 2 unnecessary doors.
>
> Alan Wilson
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:20:19 EDT
From: FrdRngrLvr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 4 Door Ranger

Whaty is a sucide style door?

Thanks

Jim
90' ranger
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:03:50 -0700
From: "Steven Husaim"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!

Ken,
It would be nice, but it would take soo much work, It would be nearly impossible. To begin with, the ranger is narrower than a full-sized truck. Also, what ever engine you select would most likely not fit into the opening in the front cab. I know that this is a problem with anything over a 302, especially where the bell-housing would be. I read that when you do a 351 conversion in a ranger, you need to give it at least a 2" body lift, and then modify the bell-housing to squeeze it into the space provided, so its really tight in there. Therefor, it would be a HUGE task to modify the frame of a different manufacture to work with a more narrow and shallower body of another manufacture...

Steve
PS - (If you want more power, try a super-charger, head-work and fordged pistons..they will usually do the trick !)


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:27:42 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Small - i have a thought!!

KLESNANSKY aol.com wrote:
>
> I know a lot of people in this list have or are going to put a 5.0 in their
> ranger's, But has anyone considered a turbo diesel? I was thinking maybe like
> taking a ram, forgive me, 3/4 ton or maybe 1 ton and attaching the bodies of
> the ranger to the ram's frame and suspension. I figure by changing the front
> fenders to a fiberglass version that has much wider openings. And by cutting
> the rear wheelwells out a bit. I should be able to fit a 35" at stock height.
> Any thoughts? I spend a lot of time on the road just thinking, another way to
> stay awake, on how I could improve the off road ability of my truck. Maybe I
> wouldn't be the fastest up the hill or through the mud, but I could almost
> always pull anything. With this setup. The only problem I could see is how
> to get the steering to fit properly. I know the body mounts would have to be
> one-offs. Any thoughts would be appreciated
>
> Ken
> 95 Ranger 4x4 stx, soon to have 33" YIPPY :-)
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It would twist the truck in two! kinda like when you wring out a towel!
Chris
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:10:19 -0500
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: FTE Small - Fw:

- -----Original Message-----
From: Liz
To: lbrown53 shreve.net
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 7:07 PM


>>How To Drive Your Co-Workers Insane:
>> >
>> >1. Page yourself over the intercom. Don't disguise your voice.
>> >
>> >2. Find out where your boss shops and buy exactly the same outfits.
>> >Wear them one day after your boss does. This is especially effective
>> >if your boss is of a different gender than you.
>> >
>> >3. Make up nicknames for all your coworkers and refer to them only by
>> >thesenames. "That's a good point, Sparky." "No, I'm sorry, but I'm >
>>going to have to disagree with you there, Cha-Cha."
>> >
>> >4. Send e-mail to the rest of the company telling them exactly what
>> >you're doing. For example: "If anyone needs me, I'll be in the
>> >bathroom."
>> >
>> >5. While sitting at your desk, soak your fingers in Palmolive liquid.
>
>> >Call everyone "Madge".
>> >
>> >6. Hi-Lite your shoes. Tell people you haven't lost them as much >
>>since you did this.
>> >
>> >7. Hang mosquito netting around your cubicle. When you emerge to get
>> >coffee or a printout or whatever, slap yourself randomly the whole >
>>way.
>> >
>> >8. Put a chair facing a printer. Sit there all day and tell people
>> >you're waiting for your document.
>> >
>> >9. Every time someone asks you to do something, anything, ask them if
>
>> >they want fries with that.
>> >
>> >10. Send e-mail back and forth to yourself, engaging yourself in an
>> >intellectual debate. Forward the mail to a co-worker and ask her to
>> >settle the disagreement.
>> >
>> >11. Encourage your colleagues to join you in a little synchronized
>> >chair-dancing.
>> >
>> >12. Put your trash can on your desk. Label it "IN."
>> >
>> >13. Feign an unnatural and hysterical fear of staplers.
>> >
>> >14. Send e-mail messages saying there's free pizza or donuts or cake
>> >in the lunchroom. When people drift back to work complaining that >
>>they found none, lean back, pat your stomach and say, "Oh, you've got >
>>to be faster than that!"
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:37:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: tarmy webtv.net (tommy oslick jr)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - V8 Aerostar

a 289 fits quite well in there, dont forget to replace the rear
differental, use a differenta out of a mustangm work well also

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:33:03 -0700
From: Richard
Subject: FTE Small - Re: V8 in Aerostar

> From: "Lawrence E. Creeden"
> Subject: FTE Small - V8 Aerostar
>
> Anybody know about or done a V8 swap into an Aerostar? Seems like it
> should be similar to the V8 Bronco/Ranger swap, and that the James Duff
> stuff should work. This would make a great hot rod "surfer" van, like
> the old bread trucks, but haven't seen anybody doin' it. Maybe it's not
> as easy as it looks. No substitute for experience.
>
> Forgive me if this is something discussed previously. Didn't see it in
> the archives or recent discussions.

What a neat idea! I found the Aerostar underpowered going up the
Grapevine on the way to Los Angeles, and this should do it!

As you may know, underhood space in the Aerostar is limited. However,
this should present no difficulty if you simply remove the dashboard
altogether and discard it. Just suspend the gauges from the roof in a
used ceiling console from an Eddie Bauer Aerostar.

Relocating other underhood components should be easy, too, if you wear
specially-constructed clothing with added straps. Thus, you can mount a
small steering wheel on your left arm (and turn it with your right
hand). The brake booster can be velcro'd to your left calf, and the AC
compressor can be affixed to your right calf, run by a longer belt. You
can wear the heater core slung from your right shoulder (where its
servicability will be improved vs. stock). Study a Citroen 2CV for....


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