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Re: FTE Small - How can I get my alarm to work in my 98 Ranger???
Re: FTE Small - How can I get my alarm to work in my 98 Ranger???
FTE Small - Warranty Paint Repair!
FTE Small - Re: pinging

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:32:31 -0600
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: FTE Small - How can I get my alarm to work in my 98 Ranger???

I don't know that the 1997/98 Ranger actually _has_ door switches, in the
classic sense. If I remember right, there are magnetic pickups (maybe Hall
Effect?) that judge whether or not the door is open or closed, and the main
controller also senses vehicle movement and other parameters to tell the
dome light circuit to energize or not. I know that if you are moving, and
open the door, the light does not come on in mine (1997 XLT). There is
also a 45 minute time-out if you leave the dome light on accidentally
(battery saver option).

What I guess I'm saying is that just pigtailing off the dome light circuit
would probably cause a lot of false alarms (like you see when the handle it
pulled up). There is probably a better way to interface to the door
circuit, but you have to look at the schematics to figure that one out.
Not to mention, if the controller ever has problems and the dome circuit
stops working, then the alarm is useless to a door opening.

Mine has an alarm of sorts built in, actually I think they call it theft
deterrence. Actually, seems OK to me, although I guess it isn't nearly as
"tough" as an aftermarket. I never have to think about it, it arms when
you lock the doors or if the ignition is off for a period of time.
Supposed to have a starter defeat, but I haven't tried to hotwire my truck
yet to test it. I would think it would be hard to bypass, since it's built
into the electronics system, so to pull it out would also affect just about
every other system in the truck.

Dave
Denver, CO

>Alan, I have a DEI (mfg. of Viper, I believe) alarm system in my '97 Ranger.
>The system is tied into the dome light circuit already. The factory door
>switches are built into the door lock latches, so ANY time the dome light
>would come on if the alarm is armed, it would trigger the alarm. Another
>thing that turns the dome lights on is pulling on the driver's door outside
>handle. If somebody pulls the handle when you are not looking, the alarm
>will trigger! I would Imagine that they did not make any changes to the dome
>light circuits from '97 to '98. Mine is an XLT standard cab. I don't know if
>the outside handle turning on the dome light is standard for the whole
>Ranger line, though. My first guess would be somebody is "testing to see if
>your doors are locked". The dome light stays on for a short time after
>pulling the outside handle until the timer times out. With the alarm
>unarmed, and the doors all closed, pull the outside drivers door handle and
>see if this applies to your truck; if it does, it is something to look into.
>

>>I am having trouble getting an alarm installed in my 98 Ranger. The alarm
>I
>>have(Diablo II) is repeatedly triggered by the door sensors in the truck.
>>My technician tells me that the 98 Ranger has door switches deep inside
>each
>>door instead of on the outside of the door like most vehicles and this may
>>be causing it to trigger.
>>
>>Has anyone else had trouble with their alarm? If not, what kind do you
>>have? I'm taking the truck back for the 5th time today to fix this
>problem.
>>I'm very tired of this &*^%^&%!
>>
>>There has to be a way to install an auto alarm in this truck, right???
>>Someone has told me that maybe by disconnecting the alarm from the door
>>sensors and connecting it to the Dome Light, it might alleviate this
>problem.
>>


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:25:05 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - How can I get my alarm to work in my 98 Ranger???

Thanks. After taking it back for the 5th time yesterday, they said they
called the manufacturer of the alarm and found out that they had to install
some dial switch or something because like you said, the doors were sending
signals back to the alarm that the door was open. After I took it home, no
more false alarms...previously my alarm would go off exactly 45 minutes
after I armed it(everytime)...weird...so I knew it had to be some kind of
computer problem.

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At 07:57 AM 9/11/98 -0500, Ben L. Held wrote:
>Alan,
>
>I had the same problem wiring an alarm in my 98 ranger. I ended up
>splicing into the dome light wire (same effect as the door latches). The
>door latch switches must periodically be triggered by the computer or
>something. This took care of the problem, although I never knew exactly
>what was causing the problem.
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At 08:32 AM 9/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I don't know that the 1997/98 Ranger actually _has_ door switches, in the
>classic sense. If I remember right, there are magnetic pickups (maybe Hall
>Effect?) that judge whether or not the door is open or closed, and the main
>controller also senses vehicle movement and other parameters to tell the
>dome light circuit to energize or not. I know that if you are moving, and
>open the door, the light does not come on in mine (1997 XLT). There is
>also a 45 minute time-out if you leave the dome light on accidentally
>(battery saver option).
>
>What I guess I'm saying is that just pigtailing off the dome light circuit
>would probably cause a lot of false alarms (like you see when the handle it
>pulled up). There is probably a better way to interface to the door
>circuit, but you have to look at the schematics to figure that one out.
>Not to mention, if the controller ever has problems and the dome circuit
>stops working, then the alarm is useless to a door opening.
>
>Mine has an alarm of sorts built in, actually I think they call it theft
>deterrence. Actually, seems OK to me, although I guess it isn't nearly as
>"tough" as an aftermarket. I never have to think about it, it arms when
>you lock the doors or if the ignition is off for a period of time.
>Supposed to have a starter defeat, but I haven't tried to hotwire my truck
>yet to test it. I would think it would be hard to bypass, since it's built
>into the electronics system, so to pull it out would also affect just about
>every other system in the truck.
>
>Dave
>Denver, CO
>
>>Alan, I have a DEI (mfg. of Viper, I believe) alarm system in my '97 Ranger.
>>The system is tied into the dome light circuit already. The factory door
>>switches are built into the door lock latches, so ANY time the dome light
>>would come on if the alarm is armed, it would trigger the alarm. Another
>>thing that turns the dome lights on is pulling on the driver's door outside
>>handle. If somebody pulls the handle when you are not looking, the alarm
>>will trigger! I would Imagine that they did not make any changes to the dome
>>light circuits from '97 to '98. Mine is an XLT standard cab. I don't know if
>>the outside handle turning on the dome light is standard for the whole
>>Ranger line, though. My first guess would be somebody is "testing to see if
>>your doors are locked". The dome light stays on for a short time after
>>pulling the outside handle until the timer times out. With the alarm
>>unarmed, and the doors all closed, pull the outside drivers door handle and
>>see if this applies to your truck; if it does, it is something to look into.
>>
>
>>>I am having trouble getting an alarm installed in my 98 Ranger. The alarm
>>I
>>>have(Diablo II) is repeatedly triggered by the door sensors in the truck.
>>>My technician tells me that the 98 Ranger has door switches deep inside
>>each
>>>door instead of on the outside of the door like most vehicles and this may
>>>be causing it to trigger.
>>>
>>>Has anyone else had trouble with their alarm? If not, what kind do you
>>>have? I'm taking the truck back for the 5th time today to fix this
>>problem.
>>>I'm very tired of this &*^%^&%!
>>>
>>>There has to be a way to install an auto alarm in this truck, right???
>>>Someone has told me that maybe by disconnecting the alarm from the door
>>>sensors and connecting it to the Dome Light, it might alleviate this
>>problem.
>>>
>
>
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>
Alan Wilson


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:43:07 -0700
From: "André E. Benguerel"
Subject: FTE Small - Warranty Paint Repair!

FYI...

I just received my truck back
from the local Ford dealer. I
had it in for a warranty
repair of paint peeling on the
roof. I bought the truck in
96' and it has 30K miles on
it. The dealer repaired the
paint under warranty, no
questions asked! DON''T
believe the myth "paint is
only warranted for 1 year." It
seems as though Ford has taken
a new approach to paint
problems since their major
paint fiascoes of a few years
ago!

Andre E. Benguerel

1995 Ford Ranger 4 X4 SC
4.0L V6, OD Auto, Xlt

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:12:21 -0500
From: "Gary Snook"
Subject: FTE Small - Re: pinging

snip>
>that? Feel free to correct me on that last statement. So my thought was to
>run the higher octane gas and not have any pinging noises. I've had my
>ranger for over 5 years now and have 98,000 miles on it. Truck still runs
>great. I don't think running 93 octane gas has damaged my motor in any way.
>Just my opinion here, not trying to start a flame war with anyone.
snip>

Sometime ago, there was a disscussion on this list about pinging and 300
Inline 6's. I can only say - you ain't heard pinging till you drove one of
them critters! I had several 300 six equiped work vehicles - accumulated
several HUNDRED thousand pingity - pingity miles without a problem (except
for the rattely - pingity noise!)

My .02,
Gary



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