small-list-digest Wednesday, September 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 252



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In this issue:

FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2
Re: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2
Re: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2
FTE Small - ADMIN: LAST CHANCE
Re:FTE Small - Stuck Computer Codes, Help needed
Re: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2
Re: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2
FTE Small - 1998 RANGER REFUND
FTE Small - ADMIN: Classified ads section
FTE Small - '86 SC 2.9L efi
FTE Small - adress

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:36:31 -0400
From: Melvin Montemerlo
Subject: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2

Friends,
On Sept 5, I posted a msg asking advice on how to cure the terrible pinging
my Ranger (3.0, Auto, 1995 21,000 miles)) was doing, especially under a
load, and very especially at highway speeds. I got a number of responses
ranging from "use hi-octane" gas to "check the oxygen sensor" to "take it
back to the Dealer because it is under warrantee, to check for vacuum
leaks....

I talk to Ranger owners that I see getting gas, and all have very strong
views on whether to use low, medium or high octane. Their views are
different- but all very strong. I figured that since so many 3.0 auto
Rangers use 87 octane with no problem, that mine should be able to also. I
tried higher octane, but the pinging persisted.

I listened for vacuum leaks and checked the hoses and connections as best I
could. Then I took it back to the dealer, with great fear and trepidation.
Two days later I got it back and took it on the highway, and the pinging
was gone. Besides, it was free because it was done under warantee.

They cleaned the EGR valve and replaced something called the exhaust delta
pressure feedback sensor, which sometimes gave out of tolerance readings.
They did take it for a roadcheck and used the computer. I was very happy.
For two days, I didn't hear any pinging at all, even going up hills on the
highway and letting it slow down and then accelerate up the hills.

Then two days later, I was driving with the air conditioner on, and the
pinging is there. It is not as bad as before, and it goes away when I shut
the air conditioner off.

What do you think? Should I be happy that things are much better than
before, or is there still a "fixable" problem? Can you give me any help
with a diagnosis from the info that I have given here?

I really appreciate the help.
Thanks,
Mel


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:34:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: DUBCO webtv.net (douglas elliott)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2

i think you shoud take it back to the dealer at once . tell them what
happened and let them recheck the problem while they still know what was
done on the trip before . the warrantee covers all fuel system and
emission system problems period ! your owners manual will recomend what
grade of fuel to use . if they dont wont to fix it tell them you will
paint it yellow and put there dealership name and lemon (john doe ford
lemon) all over it . very effective tacttic around here when used as a
last resort .realy they should fix it no questions asked . good luck .
doug

REAL STREET BY DESIGN

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:56:34 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2

Melvin Montemerlo wrote:
On Sept 5, I posted a msg asking advice on how to cure the terrible
pinging my Ranger (3.0, Auto, 1995 21,000 miles)) was doing, especially
under a load, and very especially at highway speeds. I got a number
of responses ranging from "use hi-octane" gas to "check the oxygen
sensor" to "take it back to the Dealer because it is under warrantee, to
check for vacuum leaks....

I talk to Ranger owners that I see getting gas, and all have very strong
views on whether to use low, medium or high octane. Their views are
different- but all very strong. I figured that since so many 3.0 auto
Rangers use 87 octane with no problem, that mine should be able to also.
I tried higher octane, but the pinging persisted.

I listened for vacuum leaks and checked the hoses and connections as
best I could. Then I took it back to the dealer, with great fear and
trepidation. Two days later I got it back and took it on the highway,
and the pinging was gone. Besides, it was free because it was done
under warantee.

They cleaned the EGR valve and replaced something called the exhaust
delta pressure feedback sensor, which sometimes gave out of tolerance
readings. They did take it for a roadcheck and used the computer. I was
very happy. For two days, I didn't hear any pinging at all, even going
up hills on the highway and letting it slow down and then accelerate up
the hills.

Then two days later, I was driving with the air conditioner on, and the
pinging is there. It is not as bad as before, and it goes away when I
shut the air conditioner off.

What do you think? Should I be happy that things are much better than
before, or is there still a "fixable" problem? Can you give me any help
with a diagnosis from the info that I have given here?

Read your owners manual I think they say a "little" pinging is normal
with air conditioning on! On the other hand I would still take it back
to the dealer because more than likely they won't know that the book
says this anyway and maybe they can fix it!
Chris
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:21:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: LAST CHANCE

The name calling will stop now. Common courtesy is the name of the
game here, and we simply ask that you simply don't use language you
wouldn't use in front of your mother. If anyone has complaints
about the "strict rules": when you pay the bills you can make the
rules. It takes a lot of nerve to complain about something you get
for free.

No more name calling will be tolerated with this issue, from either
side of the fence. If you cannot behave like mature adults here,
then take it to an AOL chat room where it belongs. I will not
waste any more time with this and will simply remove the offender
from the subscriber list --- and block all further email from the
person.

Do not respond to this email on the list (send it to me privately).
On the list, this issue is now dead.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:48:11 EDT
From: CBadgerJr aol.com
Subject: Re:FTE Small - Stuck Computer Codes, Help needed

I have had the battery disconnected several times while working on the truck,
but it has not reset the codes. A guy I met this weekend has a code reader
and we are going to try it this evening to see if it is just my code reader,
or is there another problem causing the computer to give steady light on the
code reader.

Chuck

In a message dated 9/8/98 5:28:38 AM EST, owner-small-list-digest ford-
trucks.com writes:

>
> Bill Replied
> Try disconnecting the battery lead for about ten minutes, then
> reconnect. This should essentially reboot the computer and that should
> clear all codes. Works with Ch**ys. This just might fix the bad fuel
> mileage problem too, sometimes these computers detect a "bad" sensing
> unit and turn off the input from that unit, and use a default value it
> keeps the engine running but not at peak efeciency. If that "bad" sensor
> was just having a momentary problem it's now turned off, or if someone
> replaced it and didn't reset the computer it's still turned off.
>
> Of course it could also be the $25 LED code reader that is bad.
>
> Just a thought can't hurt to try it.
>
> Chuck wrote
> I recently aquired a "project vehicle" as an 84 Bronco II with a 2.8L
> V-6,
> with 4-wheel drive, automatic transmission, A/C, PB and PS. It was not
> taken
> care of very well. It gets 13 miles per gallon on the highway, 10
> around
> town, with th efront hubs unlocked. Having been told that it should get
> 18-20
> mpg, I hooked up a $25 LED computer code reader to it and attempted to
> get the
> codes from the computer. However, the LED stays on continuously during
> the
> Key On Engine Off test, and I am unable to get any codes out of the
> computer.
> Any ideas?
>
> Chuck
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:54:40 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2

If its still pinging , even thought its much better its still there so bring
it back and get it done right...Besides its free and take advantage of it now
before it runs out...Who knows you might get some new parts out of
it......ding
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:28:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: tarmy webtv.net (tommy oslick jr)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Ranger Pinging: Round 2

my 1998 3.0 ranger 5sp sc 4x4 3,300 miles pings also. i think its the
way the 3.0 intake is designed.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: tarmy webtv.net (tommy oslick jr)
Subject: FTE Small - 1998 RANGER REFUND

If you own a 1998 RANGER XLT OR SPLASH 4X4 ONLY built between 3/5/1998
- ---- 5/12/1998 truck built at twin cites or edison plant will get either
a rufund of $500.00 or $615.00 from FORD MOTOR COMPANY, $500 refund is
your ranger must say on window sticker that your truck was equiped with
4 WHEEL ANTI-LOCK BRAKES AND THE VEHICLE WAS ACTUAL BUILT WITH ONLY REAR
ANTI-LOCK BRAKES. to recieve the $615.00 refund your window sticker must
state your ranger was equiped with 4 WHEEL ANTI-LOCK BRAKES AND THE
VEHICLE WAS ACTUALLY BUILT WITH THE REAR ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SYSTEM. and the
window stickers states your were charged for was a $100.00 for this
option. the reason for this action is because 4 wheel anti-lock brakes
are standard feature for the 4x4 only. only 858 rangers owners will
recieve the check via the us postal service. dont forget this only
applyies to 4x4 RANGERS OR SPLASHES 4X4 AND MUST BE BUILT FROM 3/5/1998
TO 5/12/1998 AT THE EDDISON NEW JERSEY PLANT OR THE TWIN CITIES PLANT
ONLY. also don't forget your 4x4 truck must be equiped with rear
anti-lock brakes system not the 4wheel anti-lock system. this program
ends 10/31/1998

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:22:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Small - ADMIN: Classified ads section

Due to the popular opinion (which I have to admit I agree with) that
the new classifieds pages stink, I've brought back the old classifieds.
I'm in the process of writing my own classifieds manager which I hope
will address the short-comings of both the old and new systems.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:25:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bob Johnson
Subject: FTE Small - '86 SC 2.9L efi

Hi all. I've been away for a while and have a lot of reading to catch up on.
Hope you all have been well.

I've been fighting a rich running / misfire situation for a while - thought
I had it solved a couple of time, but it kept coming back. The only thing
that has worked - prayer. Humbling experience - guess that's what it's
supposed to be.

Also a warning to share: I did discover about 5K miles ago that the diaphram
in the fuel pressure regulator had ruptured. The fuel pressure tested OK 3
times in the weeks prior to my vacation. But it failed big time while I was
500+ miles from home. No fire, but the intake sucked a lot of fuel through
the vacuum line - lots of black smoke - no idle - barely made it in to a
service station. And it ruined the brake booster as well. I know others have
had some rough running - you might want to check for fuel in the vacuum
lines to the brake booster and intake plenum. The guy replacing the fuel
pressure found the brake booster problem while test driving the new
regulator - the booster failed and he didn't manage to stop at a red light -
just blew on through. No one hurt - no damage done except to his underwear.

be safe.

Bob

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 01:27:05 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Small - adress

My ford-truck email adress works great and I highly recomend it.
Considering what I get off of these lists I figure buying a adress was
the least I could do. By the way, my truck seems to run better now
that I have my www.ford-trucks window sticker installed.....


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