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In this issue:

Re: FTE Small - Re: allwheel drive system in explorer
Re: FTE Small - Radio Troubles
Re: FTE Small - Radio Troubles
FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging
RE: FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging
FTE Small - Warming down?
Re: FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging
FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS
Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS
Re: FTE Small - Warming down?
Re: FTE Small - More on Radio Trouble
Re: FTE Small - Warming down?
Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS
Re: FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging
Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS
Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS
Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS
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Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS
Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:01:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: tarmy webtv.net (tommy oslick jr)
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Re: allwheel drive system in explorer

that is a normal chrarteristic sound that is with that system they hold
up just fine
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:02:05 EDT
From: Mudwizer aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Radio Troubles

CHECK THE MAIN POWER LEAD WIRE......THIS MAY HAVE A BREAK IN IT
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:11:40 EDT
From: RReed44450 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Radio Troubles

Tony,

Does this happen on just the tape or when playing the radio also? Often this
type of problem is caused by improper tensioning of the tape across the head.
If you look at a casette tape, there is a pad in the middle of the exposed
tape that helps ensure that the tape is pressed firmly against the tape head.
The pad is on a tensioning spring which tends to wear out. I guess what I am
asking is, have you tried different tapes, and do they all do the same thing?
Does the tone of the music or speed appear to be affected when the volume goes
low?

Russell
Orlando, FL
1996 Mazda B2300/Ranger
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:30:34 -0400
From: Melvin Montemerlo
Subject: FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging

Friends,
I have a 95 Ranger 3.0 with 21,000 miles. It pings like crazy when
accelerating up a hill. It does it at speeds under 40, but especially at
highway speeds.

I understand it could be fuel system problems, or vacuum line problems or
timing or plugs or that it needs a higher octane. I use regular gas.

I doubt it is cabon buildup or dirty injectors because the truck has so few
miles. Could it be the spark plugs after only 21,000 miles? Is this
common with the 3.0????? Or do I have a problem??? If I have a problem,
what is the order that I do steps to make a diagnosis?? Should I try
higher octane gas first? Medium grade or go with High octane first?
Then replace the plugs?? What after that? or is there a better order?

The truck does not get good gas mileage around town -- only about 15, but
it gets 25 on the highway. Tremendous difference!! The engine seems to be
set at a high RPM when I start it cold. I don't know if that information
adds anything to diagnosing the terrible pinging.

I appreciate any help you can give. Also please tell me, Am I the only one
experiencing this with a 95 3.0 Ranger, or is it common.
Thanks,
Mel


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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:16:09 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging

Try using super unleaded. Mine pings if I use anything less than that.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Subject: FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging

Friends,
I have a 95 Ranger 3.0 with 21,000 miles. It pings like crazy when
accelerating up a hill. It does it at speeds under 40, but especially at
highway speeds.

I understand it could be fuel system problems, or vacuum line problems or
timing or plugs or that it needs a higher octane. I use regular gas.

I doubt it is cabon buildup or dirty injectors because the truck has so few
miles. Could it be the spark plugs after only 21,000 miles? Is this
common with the 3.0????? Or do I have a problem??? If I have a problem,
what is the order that I do steps to make a diagnosis?? Should I try
higher octane gas first? Medium grade or go with High octane first?
Then replace the plugs?? What after that? or is there a better order?

The truck does not get good gas mileage around town -- only about 15, but
it gets 25 on the highway. Tremendous difference!! The engine seems to be
set at a high RPM when I start it cold. I don't know if that information
adds anything to diagnosing the terrible pinging.

I appreciate any help you can give. Also please tell me, Am I the only one
experiencing this with a 95 3.0 Ranger, or is it common.
Thanks,
Mel


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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:54:56 -0700
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: FTE Small - Warming down?

I'm just curious. How come after driving my 98 Ranger and park the truck I
can hear some crackling noise under the hood. It sounds like the truck is
just cooling down but I was just wondering if anyone has a more mechanical
explanation for it?

Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:21:49 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging

Melvin Montemerlo wrote:
>
> Friends,
> I have a 95 Ranger 3.0 with 21,000 miles. It pings like crazy when
> accelerating up a hill. It does it at speeds under 40, but especially at
> highway speeds.
>
> I understand it could be fuel system problems, or vacuum line problems or
> timing or plugs or that it needs a higher octane. I use regular gas.
>
> I doubt it is cabon buildup or dirty injectors because the truck has so few
> miles. Could it be the spark plugs after only 21,000 miles? Is this
> common with the 3.0????? Or do I have a problem??? If I have a problem,
> what is the order that I do steps to make a diagnosis?? Should I try
> higher octane gas first? Medium grade or go with High octane first?
> Then replace the plugs?? What after that? or is there a better order?
>
> The truck does not get good gas mileage around town -- only about 15, but
> it gets 25 on the highway. Tremendous difference!! The engine seems to be
> set at a high RPM when I start it cold. I don't know if that information
> adds anything to diagnosing the terrible pinging.
>
> I appreciate any help you can give. Also please tell me, Am I the only one
> experiencing this with a 95 3.0 Ranger, or is it common.
> Thanks,
> Mel

Aren't you under warranty?
Chris
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 03:38:03 -0400
From: luke wells
Subject: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

I know this has been discussed before but i am seriously thinking about
it now i have some extra cash. A few questions:
1. Where would be the best place to find one?
2. How much would it be?
3. What modifications to be done that are different from the mustang
2.3(parts,etc)
4. Are the gains worth it?
5.What year would the turbo have to be off of the mustang?
6. Any other comments would be appreciated thanks

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:19:04 -0400
From: "Russ Parker"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

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Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 3:51 PM
Subject: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS


>1. Where would be the best place to find one?

Junk yard. Look for a 87-88 Turbo coupe or a 85-86 SVO stang. Those are
intercooled cars and they run better. You can buy new turbos at Turbocity or
turbonetics. Turbo city is onthe web at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.turbocity.com . I'm not
sure about Turbonetics.

>2. How much would it be?

300-800 for the entire motor, harness, intercooler, and all associated
stuff. Dont forget the computer.

>3. What modifications to be done that are different from the mustang
>2.3(parts,etc)

I put a turbo to my normally aspirated ranger motor. still working the
details of the swap out. Swapping in the entire turbo motor is probably the
way to go though. The turbo blocks are stronger due to higher nickel
content, they have forged pistons, lower compression to handle higher boost.
If you swap in the computer and all the sensors and vane meter from a turbo
car you dont have the problems with finding higher flow injectors. One mod
you will need though is a 190LPH fuel pump. You need 45 psi of fuel pressure
at idle and 1 pound for every pound of boost.

>4. Are the gains worth it?

The swap and other mods should cost 400-1500 bucks tops. 250 reliable horses
is a reasonable objective. Some guys are running upwards of 300 horses and
at least one that I know of is running 400 on juice.

>5.What year would the turbo have to be off of the mustang?

85-86 SVO has the garret t-03 turbo ( best potential ) So do all the merkur
xr4ti's. 87-88 turbocoupe has an IHI turbo. The IHI is what I have. it
maxes out at about 20psi. More than enough for my high compression motor
though.

>6. Any other comments would be appreciated thanks

Picture this: The S-10 SS sitting next to you has no way of detecting your
evil little secret. He's pretty confident his 160-175 horses can take you.
When he hears that bad mother start shrieking he'll see the err of his ways.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:43:38 -0400
From: "Thomas Moore"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Warming down?

After your truck gets it's first "scratch" you won't worry about things like
this anymore...

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Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 12:07 PM
Subject: FTE Small - Warming down?


>I'm just curious. How come after driving my 98 Ranger and park the truck I
>can hear some crackling noise under the hood. It sounds like the truck is
>just cooling down but I was just wondering if anyone has a more mechanical
>explanation for it?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Alan Wilson
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:55:31 -0400
From: "Anthony Rifici"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - More on Radio Trouble

One thing I forgot to mention. The speakers will pop sometimes when I
turn the radio off by the power button (Never by when turned off by the
ignition). I have tried turning off the radio while the volume drop thing
was happening and never got the speakers to pop. Also, when the radio was
turned back on the low volume continued.

>CHECK THE MAIN POWER LEAD WIRE......THIS MAY HAVE A BREAK >IN IT

I'll check. However, the sound does not cut-out, it just drops in
volume. I have watched the display and not noticed any dimming or change
when this happens.

>Does this happen on just the tape or when playing the radio also?

I only use the radio. I only own 3 tapes (plenty of CDs, but no $$ for
a new receiver) and don't usually use them. The other day I resurrected one
of them to see if this phenomenon occurs when playing tapes (1st time I have
ever used the tape deck). It didn't happen. I only tried this one day and
the problem is intermittent. I may have tried it on a good day. FYI: The
antenna seems OK, I have also checked it's connection to the radio.

>Does the tone of the music or speed appear to be affected when the volume
goes low?

Like I said, I don't use the tape deck. So I don't know if tape speed
is affected. The tone of the radio definatly goes FLAT, as though it is
being muted.
In my old truck, I had a Sony receiver and it had a muting feature that
dropped the volume considerably, but did not cut off the sound
completely (for ordering at drive-thrus, etc). My problem is similar to
this feature, however it only drops the volume slightly. If your radio has
a "Loud" function, it is like the radio is intermittently turning it off and
then back on. BTW, my radio doesn't have this function.

>You would probably just be better off getting an aftermarket radio
>installed

I agree, the plan was to install a Clarion Pro Audio CD receiver w/
Pioneer 3-ways all around about a month ago. Unfortunately that money went
elsewhere.

Thanks for your responses, they are greatly appreciated,
Tony
94 Ranger Supercab XLT, 4.0L, 5-speed





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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:31:45 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - Warming down?

More technical info....When you drive the truck it creates heat and heat as
we all know expands things when you turn your truck off it starts to cool
and cooling contracts and that my friend is that crackling noise you hear
mostly coming from you exhaust system and heat shield ........trust me nothing
to worry about........
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:34:34 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

Your better off going to a hot rod shop and looking into a paxton
supercharger ...They are more reliable and have very worth while gains in
horsepower and torque at almost any engine rpm..........not to knock trubo's
they do work but they are not as reliable as the supercharger thats why most
manufactors are coming out with supercharged cars they can warranty them
better because of less moving parts and less things to break..
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:40:19 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - 95 Ranger 3.0 pinging

For one are you stiill under warranty if you are bring it to your dealer for
a free fix...If not first try better gas go get your self some super unleaded
and throw in a fuel injection cleaner first if that doesn't do any better you
next best bet is your egr valve (exhaust gas recirculation valve....If that
sticks or looses vacuum to it that will certainly cause some serious pinging
on any hill.. check your vacuum hose for leaks and feel underneath the valve
it has a rubber diagphram push around on it see if its stuck............chris
ding060297
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:01:55 -0400
From: "Russ Parker"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

> Your better off going to a hot rod shop and
looking into a paxton
>supercharger ...They are more reliable and have
very worth while gains in
>horsepower and torque at almost any engine
rpm..........not to knock trubo's
>they do work but they are not as reliable as the
supercharger thats why most
>manufactors are coming out with supercharged cars
they can warranty them
>better because of less moving parts and less
things to break..


Nope! wrong on all counts. I haven't seen a
centrifugal supercharger make more than 20psi yet.
They have more moving parts, they put stress on
the crank as well as all accessories that their
belt puts tension on. They also have parasitic
drag. Turbo technology has just about done away
with turbo lag. Turbos have three high speed
moving parts and some of them have a wastegate
door built in adding a fourth. Most manufacturers
are using superchargers because it's the "in" word
of the 90's. I checked long and hard on both
routes for forced induction on my truck and the
turbo came out way ahead. Theres a reason why
diesel trucks use turbos instead of superchargers
too. It's the rebuild costs on SC. Where do you
even get one rebuilt? I have a turbo rebuilder 5
blocks from here and I live in a very small town.
Then again if your motor can only handle a few
pounds of boost and you got the extra cash why not
buy a supercharger? Your friends will still be
impressed with the cool paxton stickers.

About the only advantage I can see a supercharger
having is it doesn't heat the oil up quite as bad.
They also make a cool whine at idle but they sure
dont make that lovely shriek a turbo does at a few
thousand RPM.

The number of supercharged cars on the road will
also never ever even come close to the number of
turbo cars and trucks in use today. Porshe, saab,
audi as well as dodge, ford, buick and even a few
chevys are turbo charged. There are a hell of alot
of turbos in use out there and if they were the
evil breakdown device some claim they are I doubt
they would be out there.

Another thing is performance. I've yet to see a
whipple charged or paxton equipped stang take a
grand national yet. More boost = More HP.

- -Russ

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:22:09 EDT
From: MindEfx aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

Plus, in a truck, you would want the extra power and torque down low...not at
4000 rpm. Which is what a supercharger would do. Whens the last time you saw
someone spool up their turbo to 2500rpm and pop the clutch to power up a hill?
Didnt think so. Or pull a trailer up a hill at 4000rpm. Yes, turbos
certainly have there applications, but in a truck is certainly not one of
them. But for a truck, where low end horsepower and torque is what you want a
supercharger does just that. I know a couple people with the paxton and they
love them, most of them bolted them on when the truck was still fairly new
(ie. under 10,000 miles) and they all have about 50,000 miles on them
now...and still no problems.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:28:54 EDT
From: MindEfx aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

Never seen a Grand National beat by a Mustang? You must not have many fast
mustangs around your way. Plus as far as trucks go, are you tring to build a
street race truck or a 4x4? A turbo certainly isnt going to be to your
advantage in a 4x4 for serious wheeling.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:43:46 -0400
From: "Russ Parker"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

Whoever told you they got this incredible power
down low from a supercharger is lying. Ask to see
some dyno numbers to prove it. I'm making 4 or 5
lbs of boost at 2000 RPM. They're lucky if they
make that at 3000 RPM. The supercharger spins in
direct correlation to engine RPM, the turbo spins
in correlation to exhaust gas energy. It's RPM
peak can be tuned through a header or larger or
smaller turbine wheels to give you max boost where
you want it. I have mine tuned to come on low but
the turbo runs out of gas at about 20psi/4400RPM.
The name of the game in forced induction is RPM.
Give camden a call and ask them how much power
they will give you just off idle. As for spooling
up your turbo it's a pretty simple operation.
Anyone whos driven a big rig is quite used to a
quick double clutch, and a downshift to bring your
revs up.
- -Russ




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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:47:07 -0400
From: "Russ Parker"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

Actually mine was in a mud racing application.
Where you have the RPMs available to use a turbo
or blower. If your building a rig for four
wheeling your wasting your money on a supercharger
too. You will not gain one horse or a single ounce
of torque at rock climbing speeds. In fact I'd bet
hard currency you'll lose power due to the intake
restriction.
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Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS


>Never seen a Grand National beat by a Mustang?
You must not have many fast
>mustangs around your way. Plus as far as trucks
go, are you tring to build a
>street race truck or a 4x4? A turbo certainly
isnt going to be to your
>advantage in a 4x4 for serious wheeling.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:07:54 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

I have the answer to all this there is a magazine article in sport truck
mag its on page 139 and its about a 96 chevy 454 engine that has stock
281hp 4600 and 398lb-ft 3200 after installing a whipple superchager and
running it on the dyno again it now has 412hp 4800 and 589lb-ft 2400 thats
131 hp increase and about 48%increase in torque now what turbo can do that
.....if you have a truck and your looking to do some off roading a turbo is
not what you are looking for or if you are looking to tow a boat a
supercharger is your way to go......Plus to bang it now has its peak torque at
only 2400 rpms instead of 3200 rpms ........so if towing or off roading
supercharge it if racing it around and on the track then turbo it........
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:09:34 EDT
From: Ding060297 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

Also at rock climbing speeds turbo's are totally useless thats when they
lag........superchargers don't do that they have boost over stock from the get
go .....Do your homework next time on this subject
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:19:57 -0400
From: "Russ Parker"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

4800 RPM! It's damn near red line before it peaks!
Whats his horsepower figures look like down low?
un-changed is what they look like. A big block
hardly needs a blower to tow with also.

While I'm hardly near 400 horsepower, I do have a
better improvement then that. Granted I did ALOT
more modifications than just bolting it on, but my
entire buildup cost less than that whipple by
itself. I took a 110 horsepower 2.3L engine and
made it into a best run 241HP 5600 and 301
ft-lbs 2600 at the rear wheels. With better flow
and bigger injectors I could be making 300+HP and
500 ft lbs just like the Tiny Avenger mustang of
Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford Fame. Wanna now what
turbo? a garrett t-04 hybrid w/ ball bearing
center. I'm currently working on putting an IHI
turbo on a high compression 2.3 with as little
expense and modification as possible. Cheap,
reliable, and easy enough for anyone to pull off.

Either method is useless at 4 wheeling speed
anyhow. The highways one thing, but the rock
quarry or trail is another.


> I have the answer to all this there is a
magazine article in sport truck
>mag its on page 139 and its about a 96 chevy 454
engine that has stock
>281hp 4600 and 398lb-ft 3200 after installing a
whipple superchager and
>running it on the dyno again it now has
412hp 4800 and 589lb-ft 2400 thats
>131 hp increase and about 48%increase in torque
now what turbo can do that
>.....if you have a truck and your looking to do
some off roading a turbo is
>not what you are looking for or if you are
looking to tow a boat a
>supercharger is your way to go......Plus to bang
it now has its peak torque at
>only 2400 rpms instead of 3200 rpms ........so if
towing or off roading
>supercharge it if racing it around and on the
track then turbo it........
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:31:35 -0400
From: "Russ Parker"
Subject: Re: FTE Small - TURBO CHARGING QUESTIONS

I've done more homework on this subject than
you'll ever imagine. I've worked on a T/A Funnycar
team for 11 years on the mid-America circuit. I've
mud raced in class IV for years also. Both
superchargers and turbos are useless at rock
climbing speed and actually a detriment due to the
profound effect they have on the motor. Ever felt
the sensation racers know as trailer hitching?
Imagine that while tetering on a rock. How would
you like to spend as much time looking at your
air/fuel gauge as you do at your spotter? face it,
neither one of them belongs on the trail.

So hows that for homework for ya? I may have
recently traded my helmet, neck brace, and fire
suit for a california duster, a lawn chair, some
sun screen, and a case of beer, but I've had my
days in the winner circle and more than my fair
share of days on the hook going home emplty
handed. How about you? aren't those headlights
polished up enough? Dont tell me about magazines
you've read tell me what you've done to your
truck.
- -Russ
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/2457


> Also at rock climbing speeds turbo's are totally
useless thats when they
>lag........superchargers don't do that they have
boost over stock from the get
>go .....Do your homework next time on this
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