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small-list-digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 206 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Ranger, Explorer, Bronco 2 and Aerostar Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe small-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions FTE Small -RE- A/C Performance Questions FTE Small - FW: Consumer Request Response FTE Small - cooling problems update and request Re: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions FW: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request FTE Small - links for ford folks FTE Small - RE:cooling problems FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers Re: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers Re: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers FTE Small - Re Alan Wilson Re: FW: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:02:21 -0400 From: "Bob Leifer" Subject: Re: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions sorry in advance for this long message, but I don't often reply, so maybe I just got carried away. My '97 3.0 Liter Ranger XLT has no trouble AT ALL keeping up with the very hot days we have been going through with the AC not on Max. If it's been sitting in the sun for a long time, using Max will cool it down faster (once the big heat build up is removed and it just recycles the air) In fact, If I keep it on Max too long, I get too cold in the truck! I put it on regular AC, and even have to turn the blower speed down. I don't see any big difference in the R134a's performance in this truck or my wife's '98 Mazda 626 compared to the performance of the old R12. There may be a measurable difference with instrumentation, but these new vehicles seem to have properly designed AC systems. Prior to getting the '97 Ranger, I had heard that the R134a system was poor, but was pleasantly surprised to find that is not true. Also, although I do feel a difference in acceleration with the AC on, it is not that significant that I would want to turn it off every time I need to accelerate! My ranger has the 4 speed automatic by the way. Charging an AC system is easy, but getting the right amount of "Freon" in really requires an AC Gauge manifold to measure the suction lines pressure. I suppose you could do it by "feel" but I would hesitate. I have always used the gauges in the past when it was necessary to charge an AC system. Overcharging it could damage something Bob - -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Rifici To: Ford Trucks List (Small) Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 10:38 PM Subject: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions > I was hoping that one of you Ranger/Explorer 4.0L w/ R134a A/C owners >could help me out with a few questions. > > How long does it take to cool down your truck on MAX A/C on an 80+ >degree day w/ high humidity, when the truck has been sitting in the ................................. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:20:56, -0500 From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY) Subject: FTE Small -RE- A/C Performance Questions Hi, I've got a '98 with a 4.0L and a 5 speed manual and AC, but mine doesn't stumble as bad as yours. No matter what you drive, the AC compressor robs power, so either (a) you have to push the engine harder to get acceleration, or (b) relax, drive slower, and enjoy the air conditioning :-)! As for cooling down on a 80+ degree day, well mine doesn't take too long, but maybe because everything is still pretty new (10 months old). If you were driving a four banger with air (I've had a '95 2.3L Ranger) then you are going at turtle speed. A 1990 2.9L I had before the '95 also was really affected by the AC, but my 4.0L now isn't too bad. During crazy traffic I tend to turn it off to scoot up the highway ramps to hit 65-70, but usually its not needed. Sorry about the rambling on. Josh == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:40:14 -0000 From: Michael Peacock Subject: FTE Small - FW: Consumer Request Response To Ranger and BroncoII owners: This is a response to a request for low gears in the transfer case for = our vehicles, if you could take a moment to email the company below with = your request for double-low transfer cases. Thanks - Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Jan Gremillion=20 Subject: Re: Consumer Request Jan Gremillion [pullpal rof.net] Dear Michael - At this time, there is not enough of a call for this adaptation, and = Advanced Adapters has no plans to start R & D. I'm told that utilizing = the current Atlas would prove very expensive & time consuming. It couldn't hurt to keep voicing your opinion, and getting your friends = to do the same. Maybe someday there will be a majority, and enough = cause for them to get something together for you. Regards, Pat Gremillion Premier Power Welder___________________________________________________________________= ___ _ >Build a 4 to 1 transfer case for Ranger and BroncoII Consumers! There's = a >lot of us out here! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:48:03 -0000 From: Michael Peacock Subject: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request I've narrowed the problem with my cooling system down to the fan clutch. = My next question is: Sense I've got to spend $25 on the fan clutch, Now = is the time to go ahead and spend $60 on an electric fan. Should I? I'm = asking for everyone's' opinion on electric fans. Thanks for the replies. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Ciocco Subject: Re: FTE Small - A/C Performance Questions I have an 87 Bronco II that I had converted to 134a. It cools better and it took care of the noisey compressor problem as well. If your clutch is cycling too often then you probably need a recharge. If you need a recharge then you have a leak, slow as it may bee. Either check for it yourself or get it checked before adding any freon or you may be just throwing money away. Look for oily spots on the hoses or the a/c parts this will be a good indication of a freon leak. the only thing that you won't be able to visibly check is the evaperator, and that is the part that usually is leaking. You may get lucky and it my just be an o ring or a hose. Hope this helps. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:50:58 -0400 From: MICHAEL PEACOCK Subject: FW: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request I've narrowed the problem with my ENGINES cooling system down to the fan = clutch. My next question is: Sense I've got to spend $25 on the fan = clutch, Now is the time to go ahead and spend $60 on an electric fan. = Should I? I'm asking for everyone's' opinion on electric fans. Thanks = for the replies. =3D=3D FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mr. Peanut" Subject: FTE Small - links for ford folks Last night was slow at work, so I did some searching and found some interesting links for truck owners: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.borla.com borla mufflers http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jetchip.com chips http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.knfilters.com K&N filter site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.blueoval.com hi-perf fords (mustang, but 5.0L info pertains) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jamesduff.com ranger catalog-off road stuff for ranger & B2 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edgediagnostics.com eng analyzers, etc http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.iaw.com/~aubertin/88mgt/eec-iv/eec-iv.htm very technical info fuel injection, 02 sensors etc http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hickok-inc.com auto diagnostics stuff http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superchips.com chips http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sporttruck.com street trucks http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordunleashed.com ford news http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.performance-plus.com hi-perf http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road.  com / http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://host3.fourwheeler.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superfordmagazine.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com http://www.ford-trucks.com ford truck enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford ranger. com best ranger msg board http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pendacorp.com penda liners & accessories http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tufflinerbedliners.com liners http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://209.1.206.107/ autostyles home page http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dhc.net~booboy/splash.htm splash ranger http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autoweb.com buy,sell,kelly blue book prices http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fabtechmotorsports.com good suspension site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~powerrangers/ ranger 4.0L site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/vanirv6/vanir.htm vanir technologies http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ttol.com trucking times http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/FRangerMan ranger site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ghg.net/sandmanx/ranger high mileage ranger site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com ford V8 engines http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bronco. com bronco site _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:31:45 -0700 From: "Ulysses Samilo" Subject: FTE Small - RE:cooling problems Definitely check your thermostat to see if its stuck closed. Ulysses Samilo High Speed Logic Design Engineer Email: (wk) ulyssess amcc.com (hm) usamilo1 san.rr.com WWW: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.san.rr.com/ulysses == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:33:32 -0700 From: "Ulysses Samilo" Subject: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers David wrote: >The article states that you should not adjust the bolts while >there is tension on the suspension, which makes sense. As always, be >careful. Use jack stands. This is a very important point. MAKE SURE THERE IS NO TENSION or you could end up stripping the bolt. If that bolt or nut strips its threads the bolt and the torsion bar anchor will come flying at you at such a high velocity that the bolt will go right through you or the anchor will cut into you. Remeber, we are talking about a spring here that is wound up instead of being compressed. The best thing to do is to wait until thicker torsion bars are available commercially. I do not recommend cranking on the stock torsion bars. You could end up weakening them in the long run by putting that extra stress on them. If you do end up cranking on the stock torsion bars, the result is you will get an extra inch or two of height, but you will also end up moving your front tires in closer together as you go up. You will also end up changing your camber on your alignment and therefore will have to have that redone. I recommend that you wait until a full suspension lift kit is out. Superlift announced that they would have one out this summer. This way you get the new upper A-Arms that will compensate for the tires moving in and the heavy duty torsion bars. Ulysses Samilo High Speed Logic Design Engineer Email: (wk) ulyssess amcc.com (hm) usamilo1 san.rr.com WWW: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.san.rr.com/ulysses == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:34:23 -0500 From: "David Steelman" Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers Thanks for the info Ulysses. I am aware of the changes in camber that the adjustments will cause, but I neglected to mention that in my post. Thanks for bringing it up. Your comments bring up a question though. As I mentioned in my posting about adjusting the TBs, my lower a-arms were almost level with the cross member and my truck sat low in the front end compared to many of the Rangers with the off-road pkg that I have seen. The question is: Why are some trucks that are identical in design and features (including tire size) higher than others? If there are no suspension lift kits available yet, it would seem to me that the trucks either came from the factory that way or the buyers have done something on their own. I called a Ford dealer and asked if there was anything that would cause the differences. The service manager stated that after the trucks are delivered, absolutely nothing is done to affect the ride height of the trucks. He wasn't even aware of the adjusting bolt on the TB suspensions. He suggested that if I wanted more info about them that I would have to try and catch one of the techs early in the morning. I'll try to do that and let you know if anything comes of it. The service manager also said that the trucks do not come from the factory with different settings as far as height and camber are concerned. All of this leads me to believe that a lot of 98 Rangers with the ORP are driving around with screwed-up camber. So who is it? The higher trucks? Or the lower ones like mine? I did not measure the camber on my truck, but it appears to have changed very little. Given, I don't really have an accurate method, but "eyeballing it" I appear to have near zero camber. Thanks again. Dave == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:24:19 -0500 From: "David Steelman" Subject: Re: FTE Small - RE:Adjusting Torsion Bars on 98 Rangers I would like to make clear that, by posting that initial info about adjusting the torsion bars, I was not recommending it as a way to radically jack up a 4x4 98 Ranger. All suspensions have their limits and everyone should use their grey matter when making adjustments or modifications to their machines. The article I referenced made it clear that you shouldn't try to go too far. The fender to rim measurements on my truck are now at 12.5 inches. I'd be interested in hearing how other Rangers with the ORP compare to this. My truck does not have the fender flares, btw. Dave == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:05:40 -0400 From: Ken Morrill Subject: FTE Small - Re Alan Wilson Alan Wilson wrote: You're probably one of those guys that leave the passenger side air-bag in the "off" position too...some people...:) Alan Wilson You missed the point Alan.. I wear the seatbelt, just don't like the beeping at various times (like when the keys are in the ignition and the door is opened). F.Y.I. When I ask a question I am looking for an intelligent response, in case you don't know what that is please read the letter from Mr. Hoffman. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:17:53 -0700 From: tim728 juno.com Subject: Re: FW: FTE Small - cooling problems update and request Have the same problem . I cant tell you what is better clutch or electric , but because my clutch fan is working right I decided to buy a little insurance because these motors are known to overheat. I went to the local junk yard and picked up a verry thin electric fan from a mid 80,s nissan 200sx. The fan is a pusher fan not a puller like the stock clutch fan and mounts on the front of the radiator . Just barely enough room to fit between the radiator and the a/c cooler but it will fit and I used STRONG electrical wire ties to mount is securely. I am also going to add a thermostat for the fan (about $13 from J.C. whitney) so the stock clutch fan will always be on and the electric fan will only turn on when the temp reaches 170. Good Luck, Tim _____________________________________________________________________.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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